OWH: B1G TV deals take away any excuses Nebraska, Big Ten not to excel

Head coaching is not like being a OC or a position coach. CEO more of a job. We need to have some proof of him being able to do that.

Some just do not understand it is a business. You do not hire CEO's to run major companies without prior experience. I would guess that most that think that way have never owned a company, been responsible for every aspect. Not a knock, just a different deal totally.

As I said, I have nothing against him, I have liked him since he first showed up here, but I would prefer to see him complete a season being a head coach. If he fails with his chance, would you still want to hire him, hoping it had no bearing. Knowledge, experience, doing the job, has an effect on any job. He may well be the diamond, but I want some proof of it before I start clamoring for him to be here.

Personally I think he will make it, but doubt he will ever be the head coach here. Very few end up at their alma mater. Again I am not against it, just do not feel he is even remotely qualified at this time.

 
We need to have some proof of him being able to do that.
No we don't.

You do not hire CEO's to run major companies without prior experience.
You're totally right. Except for, you know....in sports. (Also except for the fact that if your statement were true, there would be no such thing as a CEO of a major company because none of them would have experience to be hired as a CEO.)

In sports, yes you do. People do this all the time in sports and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. People in sports also hire "CEO's" with experience and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Bob Stoops had no head coaching experience.

Mark Dantonio had no head coaching experience.

Tom Osborne had no head coaching experience.

Steve Kerr had no head coaching experience.

Tyronn Lue had no head coaching experience.

Doc Rivers

Brad Stevens

Don Nelson

Kirby Smart

Brian Billick

John Harbaugh

Bill Snyder

Chip Kelly

Kirby Smart

Clay Helton

Dabo Swinney

David Shaw

Jimbo Fisher

Gary Patterson

Pat Fitzgerald

Bo Pelini

Mike Gundy

Tom Herman

Kyle Whittingham

The list goes on, and on, and on. The list of bad ones does too.

 
Just hope some B1G teams make a bigger commitment to football with all this money they are getting. Stop going cheap on coaching (ie Bilema leaving Wisc b/c they don't pay assistant coaches squat), upgrade facilities, game day experience, etc.

 
We need to have some proof of him being able to do that.
No we don't.

You do not hire CEO's to run major companies without prior experience.
You're totally right. Except for, you know....in sports. (Also except for the fact that if your statement were true, there would be no such thing as a CEO of a major company because none of them would have experience to be hired as a CEO.)

In sports, yes you do. People do this all the time in sports and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. People in sports also hire "CEO's" with experience and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Bob Stoops had no head coaching experience. I will give you this one. OU is a blueblood school.

Mark Dantonio had no head coaching experience. First HC job was at Cincinnati. Big Whoop.

Tom Osborne had no head coaching experience. Was on Devany's staff when he took over, not the same.

Steve Kerr had no head coaching experience. Basketball...Meh

Tyronn Lue had no head coaching experience. See above.

Doc Rivers See above again

Brad Stevens And again

Don Nelson And again

Kirby Smart Will be his first year. Not a good example.

Brian Billick Did pretty good in his first stint as the Raven HC

John Harbaugh See above with Billick. Same thing

Bill Snyder First HC job was at KSU, who was considered the worse FB program in the nation.

Chip Kelly Was on staff when he took over.

Kirby Smart Must be so good without coaching his first game as HC that you list him twice.

Clay Helton Has been on staff at USC since 2010. Not the same

Dabo Swinney Was on staff when he took over, again not the same.

David Shaw See above

Jimbo Fisher See above

Gary Patterson See above

Pat Fitzgerald Again, was on staff when he took over

Bo Pelini I will give you this.

Mike Gundy I will give you this one also.

Tom Herman Another good example

Kyle Whittingham Had been apart of Utah staff forever when he took over.

The list goes on, and on, and on. The list of bad ones does too.
Your list really wasn't that good when it comes to first year coaches. A lot of them had previously been apart of the staff for the team that they took over for. That isn't the same as taking over a program that they had nothing to do with.

 
Your list really wasn't that good when it comes to first year coaches.

I don't think you understand. The list isn't a list of "amazing first time head coaches". The list is to represent that it is common, and acceptable, to hire rookie head coaches to be head coaches.

The claim put forth is that you don't, and shouldn't, do that. That's false.

 
Your list really wasn't that good when it comes to first year coaches.

I don't think you understand. The list isn't a list of "amazing first time head coaches". The list is to represent that it is common, and acceptable, to hire rookie head coaches to be head coaches.

The claim put forth is that you don't, and shouldn't, do that. That's false.
Did I say they were "amazing first time head coaches"?

I understand it perfectly cause we have argued about this a number of times on this board. Some don't want another first time HC at Nebraska while others have no issue with it. You list a bunch of names that became first time HC of teams because someone hired them hoping they work out.

I think skersfan would have been better off stating that a company doesn't really hire an outside person to become a first time CEO of a company. A company will usually hire from within its own ranks when it comes to a new CEO. My comments were more based on this opinion then anything.

 
Yet a dozen ish of the names I listed just off the top of my head still fit the "hiring an outside person" and the "no previous head coaching experience" qualifications

 
Scott Frost (whom I like) has never coached a game at this level. We truly have no idea of his ability. I just do not understand the love affair with him being our head coach.
That's fine, but conversely, I just don't understand the hesitancy towards it. College football proves, every single year, that there is no correlation between past head coaching experience or success and future success. It just doesn't exist.

For every Nick Saban there's a Tommy Tuberville. For every Will Muschamp there's a Bob Stoops. For every Art Briles there's a Chip Kelly. For every Urban Meyer there's a Brady Hoke.
Not disagreeing, but we also don't know that Scott would be a stud as a coach. Might be a dud. We can't really know unless one has a chance.
I really like Frost. He's a good recruiter and I thought he was a great builder of men. Good with X's and O's.

What the folks in Oregon are relieved about is that Frost isn't in charge of the QB's anymore. He was not good at development of QB's. If Frost were to go to NU. He better bring a solid QB guy with him.

 
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