OWH: Outgoing UNL Chancellor Harvey Perlman leaves with unmet goal: Huskers’ return to top

[StPaulHusker]

You think Tom would say he's a poor judge of character? Interesting.

No one has argued TO was infallible. But it's not hard to defend his motives those cases, as was pointed out above.

Doing the wrong thing while trying to do the right thing is not reflective of poor judgment in character.

The right thing being winning football games at all costs.

When did this board get hijacked by mid-90s CU and KSU fans?

I love it though. We had frank, cally, Bo and now Riley who all won with very few off field incidents. And three of four were fired. You supported firing at least two of them.

Don't get all self-righteous now.

These attacks on Osborne are truly sad. Nebraska football really is almost dead.

I didn't support firing any of them. I was indifferent either way. I just didn't believe any of the 3 were going to keep us in the forefront of college football and I was right.

And I am not getting self righteous. As a kid I worshiped Osborne. As I got older I read more about things that happened and I realized I needed to re-evaluate my opinions of him.

It's not an attack. He literally did back then what we hammer on coaches about today. The culture has changed and people don't accept it anymore.

Look at Baylor. Penn State. Florida State. etc.

 

[knapplc]

When did this board get hijacked by mid-90s CU and KSU fans?

November 20th, 2013

 

[Red Dead Redemption]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

Stop reinventing history. None of those things ever happened at Nebraska, doubly so under Osborne's watch.

Not sure if serious....

It was parody of the "Tom Osborne has never done anything wrong" crowd.The funniest part of that mindset being, Tom Osborne would be the first person to tell these guys their assessment of him is wrong. Tom knows his shortcomings.

Who said he has never done anything wrong?

You think Tom would say he's a poor judge of character? Interesting.No one has argued TO was infallible. But it's not hard to defend his motives those cases, as was pointed out above.Doing the wrong thing while trying to do the right thing is not reflective of poor judgment in character.

Knappic, That doesn't answer the question. Cm clearly indicated TO has made mistakes.

 

[Red Dead Redemption]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

Stop reinventing history. None of those things ever happened at Nebraska, doubly so under Osborne's watch.

Not sure if serious....

It was parody of the "Tom Osborne has never done anything wrong" crowd.The funniest part of that mindset being, Tom Osborne would be the first person to tell these guys their assessment of him is wrong. Tom knows his shortcomings.

Who said he has never done anything wrong?

Right? Shouldn't have went for 2 and instead kicked the XP and put it in the hands of the voters in 84.

That didn't answer my question.
That also doesn't suggest he was "win at all costs"

But it does lend to the root of your materialism, ego, and bitterness. I think you might just be trolling now.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

Stop reinventing history. None of those things ever happened at Nebraska, doubly so under Osborne's watch.

Not sure if serious....

It was parody of the "Tom Osborne has never done anything wrong" crowd.The funniest part of that mindset being, Tom Osborne would be the first person to tell these guys their assessment of him is wrong. Tom knows his shortcomings.

Who said he has never done anything wrong?

You think Tom would say he's a poor judge of character? Interesting.No one has argued TO was infallible. But it's not hard to defend his motives those cases, as was pointed out above.Doing the wrong thing while trying to do the right thing is not reflective of poor judgment in character.

Knappic, That doesn't answer the question. Cm clearly indicated TO has made mistakes.

CM clearly indicates all sorts of things, which get mashed into a paste of 2,268 posts, which he uses to obfuscate an agenda we've all figured out, which turns this board into dull, predictable slog.

Of course it's not all his fault.

Some of it is you.

 

[Red Five]

And we don't know what a real leader could have accomplished on the academic side.

Taking athletics out of the picture, what criticisms of Perlman do you have on the academic side?

Looking at various statistics, he seems to have elevated the university. He was the chancellor for 16 years. He had to be doing something right.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

Stop reinventing history. None of those things ever happened at Nebraska, doubly so under Osborne's watch.

Not sure if serious....

It was parody of the "Tom Osborne has never done anything wrong" crowd.The funniest part of that mindset being, Tom Osborne would be the first person to tell these guys their assessment of him is wrong. Tom knows his shortcomings.

Who said he has never done anything wrong?

Right? Shouldn't have went for 2 and instead kicked the XP and put it in the hands of the voters in 84.

That didn't answer my question.
That also doesn't suggest he was "win at all costs"

But it does lend to the root of your materialism, ego, and bitterness. I think you might just be trolling now.

Wow. I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit.

Putting Lawrence Phillips back on the field in 95-96 was all the proof I needed that winning was more important than doing what was right.

I think you should look up the definition of materialism. I did. And that is not me.

Bitterness? Possibly. I might just be hungover, too.

Ego? Of course. Just look at my rep points.

 

[Red Dead Redemption]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

Stop reinventing history. None of those things ever happened at Nebraska, doubly so under Osborne's watch.

Not sure if serious....

It was parody of the "Tom Osborne has never done anything wrong" crowd.The funniest part of that mindset being, Tom Osborne would be the first person to tell these guys their assessment of him is wrong. Tom knows his shortcomings.

Who said he has never done anything wrong?

Right? Shouldn't have went for 2 and instead kicked the XP and put it in the hands of the voters in 84.

That didn't answer my question.
That also doesn't suggest he was "win at all costs"

But it does lend to the root of your materialism, ego, and bitterness. I think you might just be trolling now.

Wow. I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit.
Putting Lawrence Phillips back on the field in 95-96 was all the proof I needed that winning was more important than doing what was right.

I think you should look up the definition of materialism. I did. And that is not me.

Bitterness? Possibly. I might just be hungover, too.

Ego? Of course. Just look at my rep points.

LOL. You think we needed LP to win? LMAO!

Reinstating LP definitely "looked bad", and was likely a mistake given hindsight, but TO did it to help LP and possibly others. TO did not do it to win games.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

Stop reinventing history. None of those things ever happened at Nebraska, doubly so under Osborne's watch.

Not sure if serious....

It was parody of the "Tom Osborne has never done anything wrong" crowd.The funniest part of that mindset being, Tom Osborne would be the first person to tell these guys their assessment of him is wrong. Tom knows his shortcomings.

Who said he has never done anything wrong?

Right? Shouldn't have went for 2 and instead kicked the XP and put it in the hands of the voters in 84.

That didn't answer my question.
That also doesn't suggest he was "win at all costs"

But it does lend to the root of your materialism, ego, and bitterness. I think you might just be trolling now.

Wow. I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit.
Putting Lawrence Phillips back on the field in 95-96 was all the proof I needed that winning was more important than doing what was right.

I think you should look up the definition of materialism. I did. And that is not me.

Bitterness? Possibly. I might just be hungover, too.

Ego? Of course. Just look at my rep points.

LOL. You think we needed LP to win? LMAO!

Reinstating LP definitely "looked bad", and was likely a mistake given hindsight, but TO did it to help LP and possibly others. TO did not do it to win games.

I wonder if he could have done something to help Kate McEwen instead. Like not putting her attacker on Prime Time television.

 

[knapplc]

Doing the wrong thing with the right intentions is still wrong.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Doing the wrong thing with the right intentions is still wrong.

Funny isn't it?

Perlman does something "wrong" for the right intentions and he is the worst.

Osborne does something "wrong" for the right intentions and he gets a pass.

 

[cm husker]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

Stop reinventing history. None of those things ever happened at Nebraska, doubly so under Osborne's watch.

Not sure if serious....

It was parody of the "Tom Osborne has never done anything wrong" crowd.The funniest part of that mindset being, Tom Osborne would be the first person to tell these guys their assessment of him is wrong. Tom knows his shortcomings.

Who said he has never done anything wrong?

Right? Shouldn't have went for 2 and instead kicked the XP and put it in the hands of the voters in 84.

That didn't answer my question.
That also doesn't suggest he was "win at all costs"

But it does lend to the root of your materialism, ego, and bitterness. I think you might just be trolling now.

Wow. I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit.
Putting Lawrence Phillips back on the field in 95-96 was all the proof I needed that winning was more important than doing what was right.

I think you should look up the definition of materialism. I did. And that is not me.

Bitterness? Possibly. I might just be hungover, too.

Ego? Of course. Just look at my rep points.

With AG in the lineup, not playing LP would have been the easy thing for TO. But he wanted to try to rehabilitate LP and thought football was the only structure holding LP together at all. Would society have been better off if TO had taken the easy road in that case? I don't think so. But in the end it was effort that didn't pay off.

 

[cm husker]

Doing the wrong thing with the right intentions is still wrong.

Funny isn't it?
Perlman does something "wrong" for the right intentions and he is the worst.

Osborne does something "wrong" for the right intentions and he gets a pass.

If you think Perlman and Pederson had the right intentions in their dealings in NU atheletics then we can stop the conversation here.

 

[RedSavage]

Actually, prior to their firings, a majority of Nebraska fans didn't support firing Bo or Frank.

Please prove facts of this

Go back and look at the coverage immediately before the firings. It's all there.

No. I want to see your proof that the MAJORITY of Nebraska fans didn't approve of both firings.

I'd have to dig through the archives, but for anyone following back in '03, it was shocking and quite upsetting for most fans that a long time Husker was fired a season into retooling his staff. If you don't believe me, I doubt a poll is oging to matter.

As for Pelini, second chart down: http://imgur.com/a/V0R3n

Around 22% wanted him fired. About 60% thought that NU would finish with at least 9 wins last year had we not made a change.

There are other polls, but again, I don't want to go waste time digging through OWH archives when I doubt it would change your opinion much.

Aside from off the field issues, what cost Solich his job in regards to football is pretty simple really, he couldn't recruit his way out of a brown paper bag. Anybody who watched the games back then saw that the players Solich was recruiting, compared to what Osborne left in the cupboard for him, were night and day difference. As soon as Osborne's recruits ran out and the talent stopped covering up the coaching deficiency, it became pretty glaring there was a problem. For the record, majority of the fans I knew back then were happy with the firing, including myself. I also know very few people who were/are upset about BP being fired. Idk who you hang out with but I guess it's true what they say, misery loves company.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Tom Osborne was coach to at least 800 different players as a head coach at Nebraska, assuming he brought in about 30 scholarship and walkon players per year and inherited 50 or so more.Among those 800, a small fraction had trouble with the law and super tiny fraction had major crimes put to their names.I'd say TO's character judgment was pretty darn good.It's sad we have fans now who need to reinvent history and throw barbs at a man like TO to justify their defense of guys like Perlman and Pederson.

Yeah. What's a few armed robberies, rapes, and assaults mean anyway?

Stop reinventing history. None of those things ever happened at Nebraska, doubly so under Osborne's watch.

Not sure if serious....

It was parody of the "Tom Osborne has never done anything wrong" crowd.The funniest part of that mindset being, Tom Osborne would be the first person to tell these guys their assessment of him is wrong. Tom knows his shortcomings.

Who said he has never done anything wrong?

Right? Shouldn't have went for 2 and instead kicked the XP and put it in the hands of the voters in 84.

That didn't answer my question.
That also doesn't suggest he was "win at all costs"

But it does lend to the root of your materialism, ego, and bitterness. I think you might just be trolling now.

Wow. I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit.
Putting Lawrence Phillips back on the field in 95-96 was all the proof I needed that winning was more important than doing what was right.

I think you should look up the definition of materialism. I did. And that is not me.

Bitterness? Possibly. I might just be hungover, too.

Ego? Of course. Just look at my rep points.

With AG in the lineup, not playing LP would have been the easy thing for TO. But he wanted to try to rehabilitate LP and thought football was the only structure holding LP together at all. Would society have been better off if TO had taken the easy road in that case? I don't think so. But in the end it was effort that didn't pay off.

Keep on believing. Osborne had other reasons to play LP.