OWH: Perlman Leaves NU with Complicated Legacy

[GSG]

PERLMAN LOOKS LIKE A PETTY DOUCHEBAG JUST LIKE THE PETTY DOUCHEBAG THAT WAS FIRED. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY, "TWO DOUCHEBAGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT."

 

[Saunders]

Like I said...



Way to make us look stupid Harvey.

If Bo Pelini didn't want to be made fun of maybe he shouldn't have given them the ammunition. I simply don't see this as a huge deal, more like a tiny anthill.

Of course you don't see it as a huge deal...

Why should I? The man cracked a joke, get the eff over it.

Yup, he cracked a joke and now media around the country are laughing at us for looking stupid.
No big deal.

Then that's on the media. We can't do much to a person who said something on their way out the door.
Pelini proved that, too.

It's not the media's fault that Harvey had to get the last word and act like a child. They simply reported on what he said, and the irony of it all.
Bo's been gone for 18 months. Harvey is the damned chancellor, he should know better. Perlman and Pelini deserved each other.

It's not Harvey's fault that the media doesn't know how to take a joke or that the media is to stupid to recognize it as one. Or maybe it's just the media trying to be all sensitive and butthurt over anything and everything. You know, like they do on a daily basis...

It's Harvey's fault for opening his mouth and saying something stupid where the only possible towards the university was not good.

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

You can try to defend what he said all day long, but it's simply spin.

Some don't see it as stupid. Some see it as funny. That's not anymore spin than people vilifying him for it.

It's both. I found it amusing at first (even if it was childish), but as soon as it hit social media, the focus was turned from Perlman dissing Bo, to NU not getting over it.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Like I said...



Way to make us look stupid Harvey.

If Bo Pelini didn't want to be made fun of maybe he shouldn't have given them the ammunition. I simply don't see this as a huge deal, more like a tiny anthill.

Of course you don't see it as a huge deal...

Why should I? The man cracked a joke, get the eff over it.

Yup, he cracked a joke and now media around the country are laughing at us for looking stupid.
No big deal.

Then that's on the media. We can't do much to a person who said something on their way out the door.
Pelini proved that, too.

It's not the media's fault that Harvey had to get the last word and act like a child. They simply reported on what he said, and the irony of it all.
Bo's been gone for 18 months. Harvey is the damned chancellor, he should know better. Perlman and Pelini deserved each other.

It's not Harvey's fault that the media doesn't know how to take a joke or that the media is to stupid to recognize it as one. Or maybe it's just the media trying to be all sensitive and butthurt over anything and everything. You know, like they do on a daily basis...

It's Harvey's fault for opening his mouth and saying something stupid where the only possible towards the university was not good.

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

You can try to defend what he said all day long, but it's simply spin.

Some don't see it as stupid. Some see it as funny. That's not anymore spin than people vilifying him for it.

It's both. I found it amusing at first (even if it was childish), but as soon as it hit social media, the focus was turned from Perlman dissing Bo, to NU not getting over it.

Well there you go. It's the media. Not Harvey.

 

[Saunders]

Like I said...



Way to make us look stupid Harvey.

If Bo Pelini didn't want to be made fun of maybe he shouldn't have given them the ammunition. I simply don't see this as a huge deal, more like a tiny anthill.

Of course you don't see it as a huge deal...

Why should I? The man cracked a joke, get the eff over it.

Yup, he cracked a joke and now media around the country are laughing at us for looking stupid.
No big deal.

Then that's on the media. We can't do much to a person who said something on their way out the door.
Pelini proved that, too.

It's not the media's fault that Harvey had to get the last word and act like a child. They simply reported on what he said, and the irony of it all.
Bo's been gone for 18 months. Harvey is the damned chancellor, he should know better. Perlman and Pelini deserved each other.

It's not Harvey's fault that the media doesn't know how to take a joke or that the media is to stupid to recognize it as one. Or maybe it's just the media trying to be all sensitive and butthurt over anything and everything. You know, like they do on a daily basis...

It's Harvey's fault for opening his mouth and saying something stupid where the only possible towards the university was not good.

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

You can try to defend what he said all day long, but it's simply spin.

Some don't see it as stupid. Some see it as funny. That's not anymore spin than people vilifying him for it.

It's both. I found it amusing at first (even if it was childish), but as soon as it hit social media, the focus was turned from Perlman dissing Bo, to NU not getting over it.

Well there you go. It's the media. Not Harvey.

 

[VectorVictor]

I will just put this in here as it pertains to the AAU issue.

It's going to be so funny when this happens and because people are so ill informed they will just hate on Perlman even more.

Under his watch, the University has moved forward with creating closer ties to UNMC. One major part of that is putting campus for their nursing school in Lincoln. Right now it is located in a building on O street and a new (what is supposed to be very nice) building to house the UNL Nursing school will be built on campus. It's needed. But, this is being done in part due to the AAU issue. I'm sure this is not the only thing going on but it's the part I'm aware of.

Now....At some point, I would guess that we will be back in the AAU. However, all the Perlman haters will say....Aaaaah Haaaaa....See, it took a new guy to come in and clean up his mess.

As for him not attending the events at the meetings. I remember reading articles at the time. The votes were basically decided. The reason he had "Become increasingly isolated" wasn't because of him. They had basically ostracized him from the group. Now...if you were around a group of people that didn't want you around, would you then get on a bus and go to supper with them? Again, their minds had been made up based on their elitist view of what we spend our research money on.

That said....I would like to know how the University has been adversely affected by not being in the AAU.

Here's an article from the Houston Chronicle that provides much of the timeline and highlights the AAU's underhanded approach to the whole ordeal:

http://chronicle.com/article/Ouster-Opens-a-Painful-Debate/127364/

Also, someone else mentioned that Penn State was one of the AAU schools pushing for DoNU's ouster--my understanding was Texas (mostly) and Michigan were spearheading this. Graham Spanier, who was a former DoNU chancellor, was at the helm of Penn State at the time (up to the Sandusky outing, IIRC), so I don't think he was involved, or we would have heard all sorts of crap about it.

And it all stems from the AAU wanting to not count agriculture research money towards dollars of research a University obtains. We still would have had enough to cover the accounting issue if UNMC were not treated as a separate entitiy, but (again, IIRC), for tax and political purposes, it was spun off and considered separate, and Harvey didn't want to bring them in, and the feeling may have been mutual. There was one other school that was up for the axe (Syracuse) that chose to resign from the AAU instead of force a vote like we did.

No, Harvey did some things right during his tenure--getting us out of the Big XII and calling Texass on their bluff, getting us into the B1G, and fighting for us re: AAU membership and forcing a vote were good things. But unfortunately there sooooooooooo much bad, that even Mother Teresa or Pope Francis wouldn't be able to overcome it. Case-in-point:

 

[StPaulHusker]

Like I said...



Way to make us look stupid Harvey.

If Bo Pelini didn't want to be made fun of maybe he shouldn't have given them the ammunition. I simply don't see this as a huge deal, more like a tiny anthill.

Of course you don't see it as a huge deal...

Why should I? The man cracked a joke, get the eff over it.

Yup, he cracked a joke and now media around the country are laughing at us for looking stupid.
No big deal.

Then that's on the media. We can't do much to a person who said something on their way out the door.
Pelini proved that, too.

It's not the media's fault that Harvey had to get the last word and act like a child. They simply reported on what he said, and the irony of it all.
Bo's been gone for 18 months. Harvey is the damned chancellor, he should know better. Perlman and Pelini deserved each other.

It's not Harvey's fault that the media doesn't know how to take a joke or that the media is to stupid to recognize it as one. Or maybe it's just the media trying to be all sensitive and butthurt over anything and everything. You know, like they do on a daily basis...

It's Harvey's fault for opening his mouth and saying something stupid where the only possible towards the university was not good.

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

You can try to defend what he said all day long, but it's simply spin.

Some don't see it as stupid. Some see it as funny. That's not anymore spin than people vilifying him for it.

It's both. I found it amusing at first (even if it was childish), but as soon as it hit social media, the focus was turned from Perlman dissing Bo, to NU not getting over it.

Well there you go. It's the media. Not Harvey.

C'mon man. You can't say something was funny until the media spun it a different way and now you think it was stupid.

 

[BigRedBuster]

I will just put this in here as it pertains to the AAU issue.

It's going to be so funny when this happens and because people are so ill informed they will just hate on Perlman even more.

Under his watch, the University has moved forward with creating closer ties to UNMC. One major part of that is putting campus for their nursing school in Lincoln. Right now it is located in a building on O street and a new (what is supposed to be very nice) building to house the UNL Nursing school will be built on campus. It's needed. But, this is being done in part due to the AAU issue. I'm sure this is not the only thing going on but it's the part I'm aware of.

Now....At some point, I would guess that we will be back in the AAU. However, all the Perlman haters will say....Aaaaah Haaaaa....See, it took a new guy to come in and clean up his mess.

As for him not attending the events at the meetings. I remember reading articles at the time. The votes were basically decided. The reason he had "Become increasingly isolated" wasn't because of him. They had basically ostracized him from the group. Now...if you were around a group of people that didn't want you around, would you then get on a bus and go to supper with them? Again, their minds had been made up based on their elitist view of what we spend our research money on.

That said....I would like to know how the University has been adversely affected by not being in the AAU.

Here's an article from the Houston Chronicle that provides much of the timeline and highlights the AAU's underhanded approach to the whole ordeal:

http://chronicle.com/article/Ouster-Opens-a-Painful-Debate/127364/

Also, someone else mentioned that Penn State was one of the AAU schools pushing for DoNU's ouster--my understanding was Texas (mostly) and Michigan were spearheading this. Graham Spanier, who was a former DoNU chancellor, was at the helm of Penn State at the time (up to the Sandusky outing, IIRC), so I don't think he was involved, or we would have heard all sorts of crap about it.

And it all stems from the AAU wanting to not count agriculture research money towards dollars of research a University obtains. We still would have had enough to cover the accounting issue if UNMC were not treated as a separate entitiy, but (again, IIRC), for tax and political purposes, it was spun off and considered separate, and Harvey didn't want to bring them in, and the feeling may have been mutual. There was one other school that was up for the axe (Syracuse) that chose to resign from the AAU instead of force a vote like we did.

No, Harvey did some things right during his tenure--getting us out of the Big XII and calling Texass on their bluff, getting us into the B1G, and fighting for us re: AAU membership and forcing a vote were good things. But unfortunately there sooooooooooo much bad, that even Mother Teresa or Pope Francis wouldn't be able to overcome it. Case-in-point:

So.....Syracuse chose to bow out and resign while Perlman decided to stay and force a vote...................................but..............he didn't work hard to keep us in the AAU. Got it.

Also.....not sure what Tommy Lee has to do with Perlman and even if it were all his idea.....why it was a bad thing. This is a new one.

 

[StPaulHusker]

I will just put this in here as it pertains to the AAU issue.

It's going to be so funny when this happens and because people are so ill informed they will just hate on Perlman even more.

Under his watch, the University has moved forward with creating closer ties to UNMC. One major part of that is putting campus for their nursing school in Lincoln. Right now it is located in a building on O street and a new (what is supposed to be very nice) building to house the UNL Nursing school will be built on campus. It's needed. But, this is being done in part due to the AAU issue. I'm sure this is not the only thing going on but it's the part I'm aware of.

Now....At some point, I would guess that we will be back in the AAU. However, all the Perlman haters will say....Aaaaah Haaaaa....See, it took a new guy to come in and clean up his mess.

As for him not attending the events at the meetings. I remember reading articles at the time. The votes were basically decided. The reason he had "Become increasingly isolated" wasn't because of him. They had basically ostracized him from the group. Now...if you were around a group of people that didn't want you around, would you then get on a bus and go to supper with them? Again, their minds had been made up based on their elitist view of what we spend our research money on.

That said....I would like to know how the University has been adversely affected by not being in the AAU.

Here's an article from the Houston Chronicle that provides much of the timeline and highlights the AAU's underhanded approach to the whole ordeal:

http://chronicle.com/article/Ouster-Opens-a-Painful-Debate/127364/

Also, someone else mentioned that Penn State was one of the AAU schools pushing for DoNU's ouster--my understanding was Texas (mostly) and Michigan were spearheading this. Graham Spanier, who was a former DoNU chancellor, was at the helm of Penn State at the time (up to the Sandusky outing, IIRC), so I don't think he was involved, or we would have heard all sorts of crap about it.

And it all stems from the AAU wanting to not count agriculture research money towards dollars of research a University obtains. We still would have had enough to cover the accounting issue if UNMC were not treated as a separate entitiy, but (again, IIRC), for tax and political purposes, it was spun off and considered separate, and Harvey didn't want to bring them in, and the feeling may have been mutual. There was one other school that was up for the axe (Syracuse) that chose to resign from the AAU instead of force a vote like we did.

No, Harvey did some things right during his tenure--getting us out of the Big XII and calling Texass on their bluff, getting us into the B1G, and fighting for us re: AAU membership and forcing a vote were good things. But unfortunately there sooooooooooo much bad, that even Mother Teresa or Pope Francis wouldn't be able to overcome it. Case-in-point:

You should know that deals only get done when you are sharing some shrimp cocktail.....

 

[Red Dead Redemption]

Has not being in the AAU anymore negatively affected any department at NU?

We aren't invited to the annual debutante balls anymore.

All we got is the Oklahoma hoedown.

 

[knapplc]

I'm not even a Tommy Lee fan and I thought that was a good show and a good move by UNL to get involved (in retrospect - I was against it initially).

 

[Red Five]

I will just put this in here as it pertains to the AAU issue.

It's going to be so funny when this happens and because people are so ill informed they will just hate on Perlman even more.

Under his watch, the University has moved forward with creating closer ties to UNMC. One major part of that is putting campus for their nursing school in Lincoln. Right now it is located in a building on O street and a new (what is supposed to be very nice) building to house the UNL Nursing school will be built on campus. It's needed. But, this is being done in part due to the AAU issue. I'm sure this is not the only thing going on but it's the part I'm aware of.

Now....At some point, I would guess that we will be back in the AAU. However, all the Perlman haters will say....Aaaaah Haaaaa....See, it took a new guy to come in and clean up his mess.

As for him not attending the events at the meetings. I remember reading articles at the time. The votes were basically decided. The reason he had "Become increasingly isolated" wasn't because of him. They had basically ostracized him from the group. Now...if you were around a group of people that didn't want you around, would you then get on a bus and go to supper with them? Again, their minds had been made up based on their elitist view of what we spend our research money on.

That said....I would like to know how the University has been adversely affected by not being in the AAU.

Here's an article from the Houston Chronicle that provides much of the timeline and highlights the AAU's underhanded approach to the whole ordeal:

http://chronicle.com/article/Ouster-Opens-a-Painful-Debate/127364/

Also, someone else mentioned that Penn State was one of the AAU schools pushing for DoNU's ouster--my understanding was Texas (mostly) and Michigan were spearheading this. Graham Spanier, who was a former DoNU chancellor, was at the helm of Penn State at the time (up to the Sandusky outing, IIRC), so I don't think he was involved, or we would have heard all sorts of crap about it.

And it all stems from the AAU wanting to not count agriculture research money towards dollars of research a University obtains. We still would have had enough to cover the accounting issue if UNMC were not treated as a separate entitiy, but (again, IIRC), for tax and political purposes, it was spun off and considered separate, and Harvey didn't want to bring them in, and the feeling may have been mutual. There was one other school that was up for the axe (Syracuse) that chose to resign from the AAU instead of force a vote like we did.

No, Harvey did some things right during his tenure--getting us out of the Big XII and calling Texass on their bluff, getting us into the B1G, and fighting for us re: AAU membership and forcing a vote were good things. But unfortunately there sooooooooooo much bad, that even Mother Teresa or Pope Francis wouldn't be able to overcome it. Case-in-point:

Harv should have invited Trump to negotiate on his behalf. I have heard he makes the best deals.

 

[StPaulHusker]

I will just put this in here as it pertains to the AAU issue.

It's going to be so funny when this happens and because people are so ill informed they will just hate on Perlman even more.

Under his watch, the University has moved forward with creating closer ties to UNMC. One major part of that is putting campus for their nursing school in Lincoln. Right now it is located in a building on O street and a new (what is supposed to be very nice) building to house the UNL Nursing school will be built on campus. It's needed. But, this is being done in part due to the AAU issue. I'm sure this is not the only thing going on but it's the part I'm aware of.

Now....At some point, I would guess that we will be back in the AAU. However, all the Perlman haters will say....Aaaaah Haaaaa....See, it took a new guy to come in and clean up his mess.

As for him not attending the events at the meetings. I remember reading articles at the time. The votes were basically decided. The reason he had "Become increasingly isolated" wasn't because of him. They had basically ostracized him from the group. Now...if you were around a group of people that didn't want you around, would you then get on a bus and go to supper with them? Again, their minds had been made up based on their elitist view of what we spend our research money on.

That said....I would like to know how the University has been adversely affected by not being in the AAU.

Here's an article from the Houston Chronicle that provides much of the timeline and highlights the AAU's underhanded approach to the whole ordeal:

http://chronicle.com/article/Ouster-Opens-a-Painful-Debate/127364/

Also, someone else mentioned that Penn State was one of the AAU schools pushing for DoNU's ouster--my understanding was Texas (mostly) and Michigan were spearheading this. Graham Spanier, who was a former DoNU chancellor, was at the helm of Penn State at the time (up to the Sandusky outing, IIRC), so I don't think he was involved, or we would have heard all sorts of crap about it.

And it all stems from the AAU wanting to not count agriculture research money towards dollars of research a University obtains. We still would have had enough to cover the accounting issue if UNMC were not treated as a separate entitiy, but (again, IIRC), for tax and political purposes, it was spun off and considered separate, and Harvey didn't want to bring them in, and the feeling may have been mutual. There was one other school that was up for the axe (Syracuse) that chose to resign from the AAU instead of force a vote like we did.

No, Harvey did some things right during his tenure--getting us out of the Big XII and calling Texass on their bluff, getting us into the B1G, and fighting for us re: AAU membership and forcing a vote were good things. But unfortunately there sooooooooooo much bad, that even Mother Teresa or Pope Francis wouldn't be able to overcome it. Case-in-point:

Trump would have kept us in the AAU and made the AAU pay for it.

 

[Landlord]

The Tommy Lee show was nothing but free, positive publicity for our school. Fire Perlman!

 

[Elf]

Like I said...



Way to make us look stupid Harvey.

If Bo Pelini didn't want to be made fun of maybe he shouldn't have given them the ammunition. I simply don't see this as a huge deal, more like a tiny anthill.

Of course you don't see it as a huge deal...

Why should I? The man cracked a joke, get the eff over it.

Yup, he cracked a joke and now media around the country are laughing at us for looking stupid.
No big deal.

Then that's on the media. We can't do much to a person who said something on their way out the door.
Pelini proved that, too.

It's not the media's fault that Harvey had to get the last word and act like a child. They simply reported on what he said, and the irony of it all.
Bo's been gone for 18 months. Harvey is the damned chancellor, he should know better. Perlman and Pelini deserved each other.

It's not Harvey's fault that the media doesn't know how to take a joke or that the media is to stupid to recognize it as one. Or maybe it's just the media trying to be all sensitive and butthurt over anything and everything. You know, like they do on a daily basis...

It's Harvey's fault for opening his mouth and saying something stupid where the only possible towards the university was not good.
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

You can try to defend what he said all day long, but it's simply spin.

Some don't see it as stupid. Some see it as funny. That's not anymore spin than people vilifying him for it.

Exactly right. The people here "spinning" this into something terrible are people who have an agenda against Perlman to begin with.

 

[cm husker]

I thought the joke was funny. I just didn't think it should have been in his farewell speech.

And in truth, Bo Pelini deserves every insult thrown at him.

How about the ones thrown at Osborne, such as this buried gem:

"I have often thought that the critics [of Perlman] during these last several years do not give sufficient credit to Tom Osborne, who was, in fact, one of the extraordinary football coaches in the modern era."

I know lots of people on this board share the sentiment that Osborne is really to blame and that Perlman was just trying to clean up his messes, but what a tone-deaf backhanded comment.

p.s. god, the perlman video is just awful. That whole section around "what I learned from..." literally didn't have one funny part. Definitely a bit sad. I know he thinks NU football is a joking matter, but there's nothing funny about his missteps.