Pelini's fumble history and results

[Count 'Bility]

I like he chances the Bo fixes it. He did it in '08 and into '09, with what started as uglier than ugly. But I think the new conference still has him a bit behind schedule. Not different offenses (big 12 spread vs big 10 power/conventional), that fact is overrated. But rather just different teams and tendancies. Throw in his veterans from his first couple classes that may just not be up to snuff as a whole (which is a common issue for many coaches at new jobs), and it's kind of showing as a perfect storm over the last year and half.

Knapp referred to the honeymoon is over. Same here. It's time to start seeing progress now. I'm a sunshine Bo backer all the way and I could never endorse firing a 9 win coach, regardless of how we get there. 7-8 wins. Still probably not. But if we finish the year out 6-6, I'll agree that it would be time to move on, even if this staff should be given more time. We as a program cant allow that dropoff to happen without consequence anymore. And in my eyes, 6-6 would suggest the we've lost the team, and that not acceptable. That's '07 stuff there.

 

[HuskerNationNick]

I like he chances the Bo fixes it. He did it in '08 and into '09, with what started as uglier than ugly. But I think the new conference still has him a bit behind schedule. Not different offenses (big 12 spread vs big 10 power/conventional), that fact is overrated. But rather just different teams and tendancies. Throw in his veterans from his first couple classes that may just not be up to snuff as a whole (which is a common issue for many coaches at new jobs), and it's kind of showing as a perfect storm over the last year and half.

Knapp referred to the honeymoon is over. Same here. It's time to start seeing progress now. I'm a sunshine Bo backer all the way and I could never endorse firing a 9 win coach, regardless of how we get there. 7-8 wins. Still probably not. But if we finish the year out 6-6, I'll agree that it would be time to move on, even if this staff should be given more time. We as a program cant allow that dropoff to happen without consequence anymore. And in my eyes, 6-6 would suggest the we've lost the team, and that not acceptable. That's '07 stuff there.

I definitely agree with that, and that is why I think he brought in Coach Kaz. Someone who has been in the Big 10 game for a while, and knows the guys to recruit, and what to teach the players to attack the offenses weak points. I believe, if Coach Kaz was here a year earlier, you would see a much different talent (in the same guys we have now) than you see now. These teams, besides Northwestern and Ohio State have played the same offensive scheme for years. Look for Iowa to have a totally different approach on their offense next year. Just going to be another team we will have to watch and study through the year next year. Being he is from Texas, and Pelini being familiar with his style, I think it will be easier to adjust, than still learning brand new teams.

& About the fumble thing, what can you do about it, than try to instill it in their brains, that you can't do it. Bo can't hold the ball for them. We can't really take that person out of the game. We would get destroyed without Martinez. Burkhead and Abdullah are somewhat replaceable with Heard, but we wouldn't have that same punch we have now. Even Cross has fumbled it. Its something these kids need to be aware of every second, while they are on the field, its too costly. Makes the defense not want to keep cleaning up the messes. In a way, I kind of see the defense thinking this way too.

 

[Undone]

These teams, besides Northwestern and Ohio State have played the same offensive scheme for years.

Let me dissect why your breakdown is so ridiculous: We don't give a sh!t about the Iowas, the Penn State's...we're already beating them with no problems. So people need to get over Pelini's excuse last year that he wasn't prepared for the transition. The teams you mention (Northwestern, Ohio State, and you left out Michigan) have transitioned with the rest of college football. That's in great part why they don't suck; particularly because they ARE running non-standard B1G offenses.

And we can't beat those teams. Do you see this? We didn't need to bring in Kaz to give us knowledge of the B1G. We're getting beat by teams in the B1G that are NOT standard B1G teams.

 

[HuskerNationNick]

These teams, besides Northwestern and Ohio State have played the same offensive scheme for years.

Let me dissect why your breakdown is so ridiculous: We don't give a sh!t about the Iowas, the Penn State's...we're already beating them with no problems. So people need to get over Pelini's excuse last year that he wasn't prepared for the transition. The teams you mention (Northwestern, Ohio State, and you left out Michigan) have transitioned with the rest of college football. That's in great part why they don't suck; particularly because they ARE running non-standard B1G offenses.

And we can't beat those teams. Do you see this? We didn't need to bring in Kaz to give us knowledge of the B1G. We're getting beat by teams in the B1G that are NOT standard B1G teams.

Not have to worry about PSU? Do you realize we almost lost to them last year? To say we don't have to worry about one team over another is completely absurd. Besides, I could care less if you think my breakdown is ridiculous. We have beaten teams, UNDER BO, that run the same offense scheme as OSU. Also, when you have played against the same offense schemes for numerous years, it helps with the coaching process, but again, I probably don't know what I am talking about.

*goes back into the cave*

 

[Undone]

Sorry...didn't mean to make it personal. Ridiculous was a bad choice or words.

I think the point is important though. Bo (at least last year) has been great against power teams that line up under center and don't have a mobile QB.

Yes, we beat Ohio State last year, but let's be honest...having Miller take himself out helped. Not saying it was THE reason we won. But it helped. Russell Wilson killed us. Dennard killed us. Colter did significant damage. Braxton destroyed us this year. The trend is obvious.

And there's a correlation with the trend: These teams are not classic B1G offenses.

 

[True2tRA]

I think people underestimate how important Ndamukong Suh was to Bo Pelini's successful defense's here at Nebraska. In my opinion the DT is possibly the most important position on a defense. The most important thing a defense can do is get an instant rush straight through the middle of an offense. Ndamukong Suh was an opposing backfields immediately, and he came straight through the middle to do it. I can't say I buy into Bo's scheme, and until he shows me he can dominate at Nebraska without an "Ndamukong Suh" blowing every play up, I just won't really believe his current scheme is going to ever work.

I am a Bo Pelini supporter, but I will not support someone who in their first Head Coaching position would not be willing to change. For someone to be in a first time position and not admit that they may have to change or entirely rethink their scheme would just be arrogant. In no way should Bo believe he knows all there is to know about coaching college football. More importantly, since his hands are all over the defense, he shouldn't have any reason to believe that he knows everything there is to know about coaching college defenses. He doesn't know everything. He needs to change his approach. He needs to simplify. If he refuses to do so, he will eventually lose my support. It could be some simple things, it could be a complete overhaul, but if the past couple years has told us anything, it's clear the changes need to be pretty drastic.

I also think continuity in Bo's coaching staff is vital. This also falls back on Bo's shoulders. As important as recruiting is. As important as players holding to their commitments. I believe it is more important that Bo finds coaches who are committed to this program as well. Nebraska needs to lose this whole "spring board to greener pastures" trend it has become over the last 5 years. We've had too many coaches come in and move on almost immediately. Bo needs only to hire coaches who are committed to the "process". For someone who puts so much emphasis on the "process", you would think he would ask his coaches to stick by these kids and see them through the entire "process".

edit" sorry, completely wrong thread. oops.

 

[NUinID]

I think people underestimate how important Ndamukong Suh was to Bo Pelini's successful defense's here at Nebraska. In my opinion the DT is possibly the most important position on a defense. The most important thing a defense can do is get an instant rush straight through the middle of an offense. Ndamukong Suh was an opposing backfields immediately, and he came straight through the middle to do it. I can't say I buy into Bo's scheme, and until he shows me he can dominate at Nebraska without an "Ndamukong Suh" blowing every play up, I just won't really believe his current scheme is going to ever work.

I am a Bo Pelini supporter, but I will not support someone who in their first Head Coaching position would not be willing to change. For someone to be in a first time position and not admit that they may have to change or entirely rethink their scheme would just be arrogant. In no way should Bo believe he knows all there is to know about coaching college football. More importantly, since his hands are all over the defense, he shouldn't have any reason to believe that he knows everything there is to know about coaching college defenses. He doesn't know everything. He needs to change his approach. He needs to simplify. If he refuses to do so, he will eventually lose my support. It could be some simple things, it could be a complete overhaul, but if the past couple years has told us anything, it's clear the changes need to be pretty drastic.

I also think continuity in Bo's coaching staff is vital. This also falls back on Bo's shoulders. As important as recruiting is. As important as players holding to their commitments. I believe it is more important that Bo finds coaches who are committed to this program as well. Nebraska needs to lose this whole "spring board to greener pastures" trend it has become over the last 5 years. We've had too many coaches come in and move on almost immediately. Bo needs only to hire coaches who are committed to the "process". For someone who puts so much emphasis on the "process", you would think he would ask his coaches to stick by these kids and see them through the entire "process".

edit" sorry, completely wrong thread. oops.

I'm sure Bo is real worried about losing your support

 

[FriendlyLurker2007]

UNLEASH BO!!! UNLEASH BO!!!!

 

[kchusker_chris]

I think people underestimate how important Ndamukong Suh was to Bo Pelini's successful defense's here at Nebraska. In my opinion the DT is possibly the most important position on a defense. The most important thing a defense can do is get an instant rush straight through the middle of an offense. Ndamukong Suh was an opposing backfields immediately, and he came straight through the middle to do it. I can't say I buy into Bo's scheme, and until he shows me he can dominate at Nebraska without an "Ndamukong Suh" blowing every play up, I just won't really believe his current scheme is going to ever work.

I've often wondered where we'd be as a program had Suh left w/ Callahan. 2008 wouldn't have seen the same improvement. 2009 wouldn't have existed. Recruiting would have been impacted. Those 9 win season everyone always falls back on wouldn't be there anymore. I'm with you on this one. Pelini's defenses have always has spectacular players - and never his own. It's certainly why hiring 1st time head coaches is such a huge risk. Especially since Pelini wasn't known as a recruiter. Those defenses he falls back on are based on rosters he didn't recruit, and are full of future NFL draft picks. It's not hard to see why they were good. But he's going to have to learn how to do more with less at Nebraska.

2003 Nebraska: Josh Bullocks, Demorrio Williams, Fabian Washington...

2007 LSU: Glenn Dorsey (outloand trophy), Chevis Jackson

2009 Nebraska: Suh (outland trophy), Crick, Hagg, Prince, Dillard