Pelini's fumble history and results

[kchusker_chris]

2008 = 47

2009 = 23

2010 = 35

2011 = 18

2012 so far = 9

I just don't understand why our defense can't seem to get more turnovers when Bo's defenses in the past have proven to be very good at it.

not 100% sure what these numbers are (some seem very wrong - turnovers gained?), but I added something below that might give you a little understanding to the trend.

2003 = 47 [MARVIN SANDERS]

2008 = 17 [MARVIN SANDERS]

2009 = 28 [MARVIN SANDERS]

2010 = 23 [MARVIN SANDERS]

2011 = 18

2012 so far = 9

Also, when your rush defense is pathetic, don't expect to be getting a lot of interceptions because passing becomes situational for the opposing offense. When your run defense is pathetic, don't expect a lot of fumbles because the RB has 7 yards without contact to situate the ball. There's no pass rush so the center-qb exchange is a breeze, no one in the backfield so the qb-rb exchange is a breeze. None of our current defensive schemes coupled with the B1G lend themselves to high turnover margin. Just a reality of the position Pelini/JP currently have us in.

 

[knapplc]

Just a reality of the position Pelini/JP currently have us in.

I find it interesting that you note Marvin Sanders' tenure, then end your post with the above quote. Marvin Sanders has us in the position of not employing Marvin Sanders. Not Bo, not Papuchis.

 

[kchusker_chris]

Just a reality of the position Pelini/JP currently have us in.

I find it interesting that you note Marvin Sanders' tenure, then end your post with the above quote. Marvin Sanders has us in the position of not employing Marvin Sanders. Not Bo, not Papuchis.

That was part 1, part 2 was my implication that the scheme/defense (coupled with the conference we're now in) doesn't lend itself well to generating turnovers. That's on Pelini/JP.

 

[Count 'Bility]

And KCChris and Knapp. I had to think for a minute on how to put into words an elaboration of my thoughts on that issue. I dont disagree that Bo needed reigning in so to speak. He was out of control that night, even as bad as the calls were. I know there have been private meetings about it, but my theory, or opinion if you will, is that the public scolding was probably a more severe attempt, and that in the long run Bo has tried to make himself too calm, and that it might be funneling into his coaching. In an attempt to make a calmer self, he may be too calm in his teaching and coaching, and beings we are dealing with a lot of veteran players that were here also before that with the more intense Bo, maybe they are not reacting as well either. Just a theory, and I know i dont explain my opinions very well. This is the best I can do here for another one of my nutjob opinions. So be it, I dont think we really landed on the moon either.

 

[knapplc]

Just a reality of the position Pelini/JP currently have us in.

I find it interesting that you note Marvin Sanders' tenure, then end your post with the above quote. Marvin Sanders has us in the position of not employing Marvin Sanders. Not Bo, not Papuchis.

That was part 1, part 2 was my implication that the scheme/defense (coupled with the conference we're now in) doesn't lend itself well to generating turnovers. That's on Pelini/JP.

My bad. I thought you were tying that all together as one lump cause/effect.


@accountability - I can't say you're wrong. None of us know what's going on in Bo's head. I just don't think I see a parallel the way you do.

Regardless of the reason, a fire needs to get lit under the a$$ of both Bo and his defense. He can get all pissed off on the sidelines when things go haywire, he can give Pap ugly looks and he can call his defenders on the carpet over on the sidelines, but bottom line is, none of that is working.

 

[Saunders]

284 Rushing attempts

17 Fumbles

10 Fumbles lost

1 Fumble every 16 attempts

1 Fumble lost every 28 attempts

 

[zoogs]

BUT a public call out by the fricken chancellor did more harm than good. I beleive it did a lot to hurt his psyche and that it has funneled down through the team. A private conversation wouldve gotten the point across just as well without the damage. My opinion of course.

You're welcome to your belief. Bo needed reining in. He was getting out of control in several ways, not just what you saw on the TV. There had already been private conversations with him about his behavior.

Bo's sideline demeanor is not why we're not tackling, why we're not playing aggressively. That's taught in practice and the film room, not dictated by the behavior of the coach on the sideline.

^ yes. There was more to that than what you saw on TV.

I too am a little surprised the team doesn't play with the same fire as their coach has.

I think we've had turnovers when we've had ballhawkers in the secondary. I don't know if that is the case currently. The DL just needs to be more disruptive.

 

[Undone]

Regardless of the reason, a fire needs to get lit under the a$$ of both Bo and his defense. He can get all pissed off on the sidelines when things go haywire, he can give Pap ugly looks and he can call his defenders on the carpet over on the sidelines, but bottom line is, none of that is working.

+1 to this. This is one thing that the "Bo's my bff," "Bo is pretty good," and "I'm insane, fire Bo now" crowd can ALL agree on.

 

[kchusker_chris]

Regardless of the reason, a fire needs to get lit under the a$$ of both Bo and his defense. He can get all pissed off on the sidelines when things go haywire, he can give Pap ugly looks and he can call his defenders on the carpet over on the sidelines, but bottom line is, none of that is working.

+1 to this. This is one thing that the "Bo's my bff," "Bo is pretty good," and "I'm insane, fire Bo now" crowd can ALL agree on.

that's what is so discouraging - because it's the reason he is here.

2007 after 6 games: 4-2 and our defense was giving up 29 points a game, no one had scored above 50. Just came off a big loss to Missouri. We had 2 ranked opponents left on our schedule.

2012 after 6 games: 4-2 and our defense is giving up 27.7 points a game. Just coming off a big loss to OSU giving up 63. We have (currently) no ranked opponents left on our schedule.

...we know how 2007 ended. There is a ton of similaries between the two situations. You'll all be quick to jump in and say Pelini isn't Callahan...but at this point in 2007 Callahan wasn't nearly as hated either. Actually he'd just come off a decent season where you could see measurable progress. Pelini is coming off a season where we took a step back and ended up very dissapointed. There was a lot of excitement for 2007, there wasn't nearly as much for 2012. That might be what saves Pelini - expectations are different this time around...but the situation is still eerily similar, and it seems a lot of the problems are the same.

One thing is for sure, we'll find out if Pelini really is better than Callahan over the next 6 games.

 

[knapplc]

No, Pelini isn't Callahan. But that's both good and bad. No matter what, Callahan was not a good fit for Nebraska. Bo appears to be a better fit, but qualifying that statement is necessary. He doesn't need to just "be a better fit." He needs to be "the guy." That will take some morphing, and he has a better shot at that than Callahan did. But.... let's get on with the freaking morphing already, Bo.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Knapp showing signs of impatienct. Not good. Not good at all.

 

[kchusker_chris]

No, Pelini isn't Callahan. But that's both good and bad. No matter what, Callahan was not a good fit for Nebraska. Bo appears to be a better fit, but qualifying that statement is necessary. He doesn't need to just "be a better fit." He needs to be "the guy." That will take some morphing, and he has a better shot at that than Callahan did. But.... let's get on with the freaking morphing already, Bo.

...and our offense is in a better position than it was under Callahan. at least for the next year. 2014 could be scary. At this point I think it comes down to whether or not you trust Bo can fix the defense in the next 2 years (because if he doesn't I can't imagine him getting more time than that)...or not. If you think he can - you're more than likely a Bo supporter, if you don't think he can - you're turning into a skeptic like me. What's crazy is I've almost forgotten 2009/2010. That's how bad 2011 and especially 2012 have been. i'd go back and watch some of those games, but I'm depressed enough as it is

 

[knapplc]

Knapp showing signs of impatienct. Not good. Not good at all.

Yeah, my honeymoon period with Pelini ended last year. I'm not calling for his head, and won't for a few more years if it stays this way, but there's no way anyone can be pleased with this product. We have positives, and that's great, but we have way too many negatives that just shouldn't be cropping up five years in.

I'm getting really tired of being told we know what the problem is, or that we're reevaluating, or whatever the spiel is.

Just fix it.

 

[knapplc]

No, Pelini isn't Callahan. But that's both good and bad. No matter what, Callahan was not a good fit for Nebraska. Bo appears to be a better fit, but qualifying that statement is necessary. He doesn't need to just "be a better fit." He needs to be "the guy." That will take some morphing, and he has a better shot at that than Callahan did. But.... let's get on with the freaking morphing already, Bo.

...and our offense is in a better position than it was under Callahan. at least for the next year. 2014 could be scary. At this point I think it comes down to whether or not you trust Bo can fix the defense in the next 2 years (because if he doesn't I can't imagine him getting more time than that)...or not. If you think he can - you're more than likely a Bo supporter, if you don't think he can - you're turning into a skeptic like me. What's crazy is I've almost forgotten 2009/2010. That's how bad 2011 and especially 2012 have been. i'd go back and watch some of those games, but I'm depressed enough as it is

Well, pick your poison, because if you go back and watch those 2009 & 2010 seasons, you're going to have to also watch some pretty atrocious offense, too.

It's just terrible timing. This year's offense and 2009's defense, that's a terribly scary team.

As for if Bo can fix this... the jury's still out. I'm not so much a Bo Homer that I'm going to predict he can or will fix it. He says he will, but he's said that for a few years now.

 

[True2tRA]

Plus 1 to the OP and Knapps comment. The stats do not lie on this one. Unfortunately it's been a problem for quite some time now. What's most disappointing is, you see it, I see it, we all see the lack of aggression. We all see the lack of possession. Why does this problem continue to show up year after year? Why isn't Bo fixing it? If you tell me Bo is seeing the problem and working on fixing it then my question to you would be, why would something like this take so long to change? I still have Bo's back, but there is clearly some holes in this coaching staff and the way they are doing things. Physicality, and aggression are two things I really miss seeing on the football field on Saturdays.