Penn State needs to burn for this.

knapplc said:
It's not the football program that's at fault, though. It's the Administration. The football team is a bystander for the most part.
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it was always all about the football program, and i think we all always knew that. but the freeh report makes it painfully apparent now.

 
sd said:
knapplc said:
It's not the football program that's at fault, though. It's the Administration. The football team is a bystander for the most part.
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it was always all about the football program, and i think we all always knew that. but the freeh report makes it painfully apparent now.
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Yeah. I completely retract all that now. I was waiting for the report to come out, but in my "patience" I made it sound like I was giving the football program a pass.

I still think the players are innocent bystanders. But those in the front office aren't, or shouldn't have been. Horrible. Just horrible.

 
sd said:
knapplc said:
It's not the football program that's at fault, though. It's the Administration. The football team is a bystander for the most part.
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it was always all about the football program, and i think we all always knew that. but the freeh report makes it painfully apparent now.
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Yeah. Penn State (including Paterno) was more concerned about protecting their football program than protecting children from a rapist.

Simply disgusting.

 
knapplc said:
sd said:
knapplc said:
It's not the football program that's at fault, though. It's the Administration. The football team is a bystander for the most part.
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it was always all about the football program, and i think we all always knew that. but the freeh report makes it painfully apparent now.
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Yeah. I completely retract all that now. I was waiting for the report to come out, but in my "patience" I made it sound like I was giving the football program a pass.

I still think the players are innocent bystanders. But those in the front office aren't, or shouldn't have been. Horrible. Just horrible.
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i'm not trying to be hard on you, because you are right. the football players shouldn't be victims, they just want to play football and represent an institution the have immense love and pride for. i wouldn't want to see penn st. football be dismembered because of this. on the other hand, i do not like seeing it get the 2nd highest donation amount in its history.

i will say this, i would not want to be the one deciding on an appropriate punishment because in this instance there just is not any punishment that will be fair and just for such a broad, systemic, and egregious crime.

 
Nike distancing themselves from this debacle. Today they announce they are removing Joe Paterno's name from their child care center.

I have been deeply saddened by the news coming out of this investigation at Penn State. It is a terrible tragedy that children were unprotected from such abhorrent crimes. With the findings released today, I have decided to change the name of our child care center at our World Headquarters. My thoughts are with the victims and the Penn State community.
– Mark Parker, President & CEO, NIKE, Inc.

Other than my parents, my college coach, Bill Bowerman, was the biggest influence in my life. Bill Bowerman and Joe Paterno shared some great qualities. Throughout Joe Paterno’s career, he strived to put young athletes in a position to succeed and win in sport but most importantly in life. Joe influenced thousands of young men to become better leaders, fathers and husbands.

According to the investigation, it appears Joe made missteps that led to heartbreaking consequences. I missed that Joe missed it, and I am extremely saddened on this day. My love for Joe and his family remains.

– Phil Knight, Co-Founder and Chairman of the Board, NIKE, Inc.
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shut em all down and give all the players transfer waivers. This is a thing where you will be destroyed by the public for not enforcing a strong enough punishment, but by going with the iron fist you have evidence to back your actions. There's really no other thing you can do, imo.

 
^ Agree. Before this I was against completely shutting down a program. But now, you would think most players and coaches, even fans if they have any sense, will/do want to disconnect themselves from the program and university. This situation of over 10 years is a massive failure of a chain of command. Total disregard for anything and everything that is morally and legally right. I now say the program should be shut down. It's obvious that this sickening situation was widespread throughout the program. Even what's his name who saw Sandusky in the shower with a boy didnt have the mind to immediately go the law. It's not like this institution is going to recover from this anytime in the near future. Penn St. is going to be the bottom feeder in many sports for a long time to come.

 
Who really needs to be punished here? The university is a 'thing' how do you punish a thing? you can't. Its the perpatrators that need to be punished. Anyone who had even the slightest knowledge of these horrible events needs to be fired. Sandusky is in the slam and wants to be able to join the general population. Grant him his request. The fate he deserves will come. The university already has a black eye and its reputation will suffer for a long time but don't punish the students, faculty and administrators who knew nothing of this situation.

T_O_B

 
NUpolo8 said:
Penn St football as a whole is responsible for this because, were it not for the entity of PSU football, it would have never happened.

In the literal sense, yes, the current crop of players, or even ones for the past few years, had nothing to do directly with Sandusky's actions, but that's also not the point at all. The demagoguery of the Penn St program, identity and legend of Joe Paterno is obviously responsible for letting this behavior continue far too long. Sandusky would have found a way to harm children were he not a coach at Penn St., I think that's obvious, but look how easy it was for him to do so because he was. And they, as an institution of higher learning, with mission statements and charters dedicated to improving other's lives, making men and women of people, and asking parents to trust them to do so made a conscious choice to do as little as possible to stop it, and instead chose to cover their own a$$. For the chief reason of protecting their brand and the legacy of an iconic coach. Recruits over sodomy. Football respectability over not scarring troubled kids for the rest of their lives. And knowing they probably had a better than decent chance of getting away with it because they have built a fiefdom that spanned their small area, where they could control the limited media coverage and intimidate those who dared dig just a little below the service. The whole thing is so appalling that it just boggles the mind.

And it continued on for years because there was a concious choice that football was more important.

That's why they don't deserve to have it anymore.
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Big college football is responsible for this. College football should simply be discontinued.

 
Has anyone seen if Tom Osborne has weighed in on this yet?

I'd be curious to see how he'd handle discussing an old friend.

 
http://huskerextra.c...c401c25450.html

He said horrible occurrences such as the situation at Penn State can happen in a variety of forms, which can make it challenging for people to recognize the problem and ultimately "do the right thing" in reporting it.

Although Freeh's report said Paterno concealed critical facts about Sandusky, Osborne still considers Paterno a friend. Paterno died in January at age 85.

"Obviously, it would appear from the Freeh report that Joe made some mistakes, as did several others," Osborne said. "But I don't think you -- at least I don't --(judge) a person's life based on some events that weren't what they should've been.

"When you look at Joe in totality, he did things the right way in his football program. To my knowledge, he never cheated. He always emphasized academics and character with his players. And he certainly had a long period of excellence on the field.

"Those things will always be part of Joe's legacy. Unfortunately, this (his handling of the Sandusky situation) will be part of it, too."
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I think Joe was a good man. A good man who did many great things in life, and then made the horrible mistake of trying to protect a close friend when what that friend did was completely inexcusable. People always want to handle discipline in house. When it's someone close within the program, people always want to not throw them to the wolves and to the public. To give them their own chance for redemption. But this is one thing that cannot be handled in-house.

I think TO also put it well at the beginning of the article. This whole episode serves a somber reminder to do the right thing. Not to cover up, not to turn your head, when it might be more palatable or more convenient.

 
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they did this to protect their football team and image. there is an attitude and culture at that institution that has to change. they need to be made an example of to teach everyone that football has its place. protecting your image and football team is nothing compared to protecting children. this can never happen again.

 
sd said:
they did this to protect their football team and image. there is an attitude and culture at that institution that has to change. they need to be made an example of to teach everyone that football has its place. protecting your image and football team is nothing compared to protecting children. this can never happen again.
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That's the thing. The NCAA (since SMU) has sent a clear and repeated message that they will not seriously punish anyone for anything. Look at the precedent.

USC? Those draconian sanctions resulted in a 10 win season in 2011 and a top two recruiting class in 2012.

Ohio State? Hire Urban Meyer and immediately have a top 10 recruiting class in 2012.

Penn State has committed far more egregious crimes than those programs. They have earned a real punishment.

 
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