Poll: Has NIL, The Portal & Kurt Cignetti Helped or Ruined College Football
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TGHusker
Assistant Coach
The reason I included the Cignetti affect to the poll. I all for the Cinderela story - that part is great for the game. But now it just ramps up those expectations - schools will now be expected to pay players and coaches more to go after that title in 2 years.
TGHusker
Assistant Coach
If you read my post fully, you would see the connection:
Kurt Cignetti factor- expectations have been raised throughout college football. If Cig can do it at lowly Indiana, why can't X do it here? Chaos erupts with the coaching carousal. Conference Championships, relevancy, playoffs and NC must be obtained by year 3 otherwise we are falling behind.
Street Novelist
All-American
Yes, but the problem is you only allowed us to choose one option. There are multiple factors hurting college football, not just 1.
TGHusker
Assistant Coach
It isn't about him but the expectations now placed on schools to measure up. I'm all good with Cig's story and success and seeing the ultimate Cinderella story come to pass.
TGHusker
Assistant Coach
OK I changed it to multiple choices.
JJ Husker
Assistant Coach
But Cignetti is not the source of any problem. Oddly, it may be the beginning of fixing the sh*tshow that is NIL & the portal.
I agree that it will cause the unreasonable to become more unreasonable.
Bobby_Axelrod
Five-Star Recruit
Hmmmmmmm, get ready. This is a TLDR post.
Once upon a time there was a country called the USA. And inside this country were institutions of higher learning. They were called colleges and Universities for the most post. Some people even called them schools. Basically, for most of their student body, they were high schools with ash trays.
Now for most people who have been to school (and I made it to 8th grade before flunking out) you can understand the tribalism that schools offer. So team sports were a natural fit for this environment. It was school pride; a free education and a desire to impress chicks that got you on the track and field team. Over time colleges became a farm system for some professional sports. Now it was all of the aforementioned plus a tiny chance that you would get paid to play a child's game against other athletically gifted adults, typically young.
Now in the last century religion was slowly replaced with entertainment. And sports has always been entertaining. So the population spent less time (and Tithe) on spiritual pursuits and more time (and a different Tithe) on entertainment.
Dad in 1926 was being browbeat by his wife to spend Sunday with his kids and Church.
Dad in 1956 was telling his wife he needed to drive fast after services to get home and watch THE GAME.
Dad in 1986 understood Sunday was for manly pursuits like hunting and a Barcalounger in front of a TV set.
Dad in 2016 understood every-other Sunday was joint-custody day and talking to his divorce attorney about how he was getting screwed by his ex.
Dad in 2026 knows for damn sure he should've chosen to perfect his athletic skillz as a youngin so he could either play sports or coach it ... cuz that's where the money's at.
Football (or soccer if you live in a backward nation worthy of derision) is a religion. And like most religions it has a fantasy league that allows mortals to pretend they are something they are not.
So, where is all this non-sense going? Not to a good place. People have spoken with their eyes; feet and wallets. And the sports world has responded with an inflated sense of self that comes with being worshiped.
(true story alert) I was at a Raiders game 25 years ago with a close friend. He was hit in the back of the head with a spark plug by a character who was aiming at a guy in the row in front of us. That's when I knew the tribalism had gone too far. But did that stop my rabid obsession with football? Or my normal obsession with basketball? Or my pathetic obsession with Mahjong? No!
But just because I don't have the self-discipline to break myself of bad habits (and good habits like gambling; drinking and whoring) doesn't mean we shouldn't wind the clock back to a time when people dressed up when eating out; attended places of worship with 100 seats instead of 100,000; wore tasteful hats and smoked a pack of cigarettes a day like God intended.
Will we ever get back to a less hedonistic and more mature time when ... oh crap! I've got to split, the online betting markets are exploding on when we take over Greenland and I've got to get my money in before the oddsmakers notice the chump-change crashing over the walls ...
Once upon a time there was a country called the USA. And inside this country were institutions of higher learning. They were called colleges and Universities for the most post. Some people even called them schools. Basically, for most of their student body, they were high schools with ash trays.
Now for most people who have been to school (and I made it to 8th grade before flunking out) you can understand the tribalism that schools offer. So team sports were a natural fit for this environment. It was school pride; a free education and a desire to impress chicks that got you on the track and field team. Over time colleges became a farm system for some professional sports. Now it was all of the aforementioned plus a tiny chance that you would get paid to play a child's game against other athletically gifted adults, typically young.
Now in the last century religion was slowly replaced with entertainment. And sports has always been entertaining. So the population spent less time (and Tithe) on spiritual pursuits and more time (and a different Tithe) on entertainment.
Dad in 1926 was being browbeat by his wife to spend Sunday with his kids and Church.
Dad in 1956 was telling his wife he needed to drive fast after services to get home and watch THE GAME.
Dad in 1986 understood Sunday was for manly pursuits like hunting and a Barcalounger in front of a TV set.
Dad in 2016 understood every-other Sunday was joint-custody day and talking to his divorce attorney about how he was getting screwed by his ex.
Dad in 2026 knows for damn sure he should've chosen to perfect his athletic skillz as a youngin so he could either play sports or coach it ... cuz that's where the money's at.
Football (or soccer if you live in a backward nation worthy of derision) is a religion. And like most religions it has a fantasy league that allows mortals to pretend they are something they are not.
So, where is all this non-sense going? Not to a good place. People have spoken with their eyes; feet and wallets. And the sports world has responded with an inflated sense of self that comes with being worshiped.
(true story alert) I was at a Raiders game 25 years ago with a close friend. He was hit in the back of the head with a spark plug by a character who was aiming at a guy in the row in front of us. That's when I knew the tribalism had gone too far. But did that stop my rabid obsession with football? Or my normal obsession with basketball? Or my pathetic obsession with Mahjong? No!
But just because I don't have the self-discipline to break myself of bad habits (and good habits like gambling; drinking and whoring) doesn't mean we shouldn't wind the clock back to a time when people dressed up when eating out; attended places of worship with 100 seats instead of 100,000; wore tasteful hats and smoked a pack of cigarettes a day like God intended.
Will we ever get back to a less hedonistic and more mature time when ... oh crap! I've got to split, the online betting markets are exploding on when we take over Greenland and I've got to get my money in before the oddsmakers notice the chump-change crashing over the walls ...
runningblind
All-American
The larger playoff is more exciting, but all the transferring is absolutely making the on field product worse. Indiana is a perfect example of what a team with older guys who have played a lot together can do versus a hodge podge of new comers. It takes time for a team to gel and play as a unit, which is why you saw 3 star guys wrecking 4 and 5 stars. Can a 4/5 star physically do all the things necessary in a short time? Yes, but can they execute at a very high level as a unit with 10 others in a single year before half the team leaves again? Unlikely.
The Dude
Heisman Trophy Winner
I don't think NIL is actually NIL. I was singing Brendan Sorsby's praises before . . . pretty much anyone. I don't think his name, his image, nor his likeness are actually worth anywhere close to 5 million dollars.
His game might be, and that's what he's actually getting paid for.
If you can just flat out pay guys to play, then sign them to multi-year contracts and stop pretending it's anything other than professional football.
His game might be, and that's what he's actually getting paid for.
If you can just flat out pay guys to play, then sign them to multi-year contracts and stop pretending it's anything other than professional football.
floridacorn
Special Teams Player
CF may look like New Orleans post Katrina today, but this is the natural evolution of the game that was dammed up for 30+ years by an obtuse NCAA.
I agree with Undone that the transfer rules are the singular biggest issue that needs to be addressed, but good luck getting that genie back in the bottle. Once again, the NCAA created this mess by giving into the ridiculous immediate eligibility requests from players like Justin Fields. Once they arbitrarily started bending that rule, it was destined to break.
What Cignetti has done has been done several times before, he's just done it faster than anybody I can think of due to the previously mentioned transfer rules.
I agree with Undone that the transfer rules are the singular biggest issue that needs to be addressed, but good luck getting that genie back in the bottle. Once again, the NCAA created this mess by giving into the ridiculous immediate eligibility requests from players like Justin Fields. Once they arbitrarily started bending that rule, it was destined to break.
What Cignetti has done has been done several times before, he's just done it faster than anybody I can think of due to the previously mentioned transfer rules.
Cignetti didn't go out and get the best team. He just brought enough of his with him that he didn't need to change the culture of losing that was IU.
Lane Kiffen is doing the same at LSU. Flip the team in one year instead of piecing one together in 3-4.
Maybe contracts with player should hold them from leaving with coaches.
If by chance we need a new coach we need to stop getting one that puts us behind in recruiting. Get a guy that pulls most of his core team and coaches with him.
Lane Kiffen is doing the same at LSU. Flip the team in one year instead of piecing one together in 3-4.
Maybe contracts with player should hold them from leaving with coaches.
If by chance we need a new coach we need to stop getting one that puts us behind in recruiting. Get a guy that pulls most of his core team and coaches with him.
Crusader Husker
All-Conference
Cig is a savant
floridacorn
Special Teams Player
I appreciate your point and what Cignetti has done, but he did a lot more than that via the portal. Look no further than their QB.
I don't know that I agree with that model as a prerequisite, but Frost & Rhule certainly lacked an urgency to win from day 1. They were each far too comfortable pointing to their past results are indicative of future results idealism that they squandered early opportunities.