Prince INT

[cmb23]

I love how everyone is so understanding that it is a judgment call when its a call that goes our way. But if by chance its a call against us we get tons of the their purposely screwing us and they have it out for BO post.

I happen to be very understanding of judgment calls whether they go against us or not, because they are based on opinions.

In my opinion, what Prince did was legal because the NCAA rules say that you can have your hands on a WR after five yards. Prince did not interfere with the catch. The WR could have fought harder to get to the ball rather than let prince cut in front and take it from him.

In essence, the ref could have called it if he wanted but I don't believe it would have warranted a call. Even though I don't like penalties getting called against us, I'm very understanding of the ones I agree that we deserve.

No he didn't interfere with the catch...because he interfered with the route! The receiver never had a chance to make the catch because Prince pulled him away from where the ball was going! There is a huge difference between having your hands on somebody and pulling on the uniform to get an advantage. It's those kinds of plays that get you in the NFL though.

 

[knapplc]

Every year there is proof throughout the seasons that we are not only the greatest fans in football, but the most hypocritical.

"Most hypocritical" sounds like you're saying other fan bases don't turn a blind eye to calls that go for them and don't cry overmuch about calls that go against them. Go to the message boards on SoonerFans.com and see if they're talking about the zero holding calls on their O Line against Suh and Crick despite 58 pass attempts (here's a hint - they're not bringing that up).

I've seen identical discussions to ours on VA Tech's boards throughout the year.

I've seen identical discussions to ours on Arkansas State's boards throughout the year.

I've seen identical discussions to ours on Tiger Board throughout the year.

I've seen identical discussions to ours on a couple of different generic college football boards from fans of teams like Oregon, USC, Notre Dame, Indiana (the Iowa game, specifically), Michigan State, Michigan, Auburn, Florida (seriously), and a couple of others I'm sure I'm forgetting.

In short, everyone views calls this way. The fact that our fans do too doesn't make us more hypocritical than anyone else, just the same.

 

[NoKoolAidForME]

For the record I would watch the replay a little closer. The ball was snapped at the O.U. 8 yard line Prince picked the ball at the 23. I am not a math major but I think that a little bit outside of 5 yards.

 

[knapplc]

Amukamara didn't do anything you don't see on 90% of other pass plays. Tennel instigated contact on Prince, so you can't say Tennel is being victimized.

Watch the replay again - Prince is seven yards off the LOS when they line up and backpedals another three yards when the ball is snapped. Tennel runs right at him and initiates contact about ten yards from the LOS, Prince hand-checks, then bursts around the inside and makes the pick.

Was there contact? Absolutely.

Did both players share responsibility for that contact? Without question.

Should Prince have been flagged on that play? No.

Could Prince have been flagged on that play? Yes.

Could Tennel have been flagged on that play? Yes.

It was a judgment call. The ref didn't throw the flag, and you can make an argument for it either way. This was NOT an egregious no-call.

Further, it's not like the refs were in the bag for Nebraska. We were gigged 11 times for over 100 yards in penalties. Clearly they didn't have a problem throwing flags at the Huskers.

EDIT - edited for clarity because it looked like I was calling out NoKoolAid and I wasn't. My original is quoted below two posts below by NKAFM.

 

[JTrain]

After watching it over a few times, I think it should have been defensive holding in a perfect world, although as mentioned by others, there should have been several offensive holding calls on Oklahoma throughout the game. Whether or not they would all "even out" is entirely speculation.

I don't think Tennel instigated contact. He runs a 10 yard slant/in type route, and when Prince sees him about to make his cut, Prince actually steps forward into him. I don't think Prince had deep help, so he was initially playing the deep route, and when he saw him about to cut inside, he had to step up and make contact to make sure Tennel didn't get the inside easily. Then Prince takes his left hand and tugs twice on Tennel's jersey up by the shoulder. This isn't the type of contact that's allowed after five yards. Either way, it's a tough call for the refs to see and this type of thing happens quite a bit throughout a game.

 

[NoKoolAidForME]

For the record I would watch the replay a little closer. The ball was snapped at the O.U. 8 yard line Prince picked the ball at the 23. I am not a math major but I think that a little bit outside of 5 yards.

Amukamara didn't do anything you don't see on 90% of other pass plays. Tennel instigated contact on Prince, so you can't say Tennel is being victimized.

Watch the replay again - Prince is seven yards off the LOS when they line up and backpedals another three yards when the ball is snapped. Tennel runs right at him and initiates contact about ten yards from the LOS, Prince hand-checks, then bursts around the inside and makes the pick.

Was there contact? Absolutely.

Did both players share responsibility for that contact? Without question.

Should Prince have been flagged on that play? No.

Could Prince have been flagged on that play? Yes.

Could Tennel have been flagged on that play? Yes.

It was a judgment call. The ref didn't throw the flag, and you can make an argument for it either way. This was NOT an egregious no-call.

Further, it's not like the refs were in the bag for Nebraska. We were gigged 11 times for over 100 yards in penalties. Clearly they didn't have a problem throwing flags at the Huskers.

Never once in the thread did I say if it was a right or wrong call the statement I made is that is funny how the subjectivity of any call changes based on the beneficiary.

In regards to re-watching the replay:

I was responding to a comment made that there couldn't have been a call because it was within 5 yards.

 

[knapplc]

Never once in the thread did I say if it was a right or wrong call the statement I made is that is funny how the subjectivity of any call changes based on the beneficiary.
In regards to re-watching the replay:

I was responding to a comment made that there couldn't have been a call because it was within 5 yards.

You're right, and by quoting you it looked like I was calling you out, and I wasn't. My apologies for being unclear there. I read your post, hit the quote button initially to agree that it was beyond five yards, then got sidetracked watching the replay and my response grew.

I'll edit that other post to make where I'm going more clear. Sorry about that.

 

[knapplc]

After watching it over a few times, I think it should have been defensive holding in a perfect world, although as mentioned by others, there should have been several offensive holding calls on Oklahoma throughout the game. Whether or not they would all "even out" is entirely speculation.

I don't think Tennel instigated contact. He runs a 10 yard slant/in type route, and when Prince sees him about to make his cut, Prince actually steps forward into him. I don't think Prince had deep help, so he was initially playing the deep route, and when he saw him about to cut inside, he had to step up and make contact to make sure Tennel didn't get the inside easily. Then Prince takes his left hand and tugs twice on Tennel's jersey up by the shoulder. This isn't the type of contact that's allowed after five yards. Either way, it's a tough call for the refs to see and this type of thing happens quite a bit throughout a game.

I disagree that Tennel didn't instigate contact. I really think he did. The bold part, I agree Prince did this, and it could have gone either way. But I don't think it was so egregious that he should have gotten flagged. He could have, though.

 

[NoKoolAidForME]

Never once in the thread did I say if it was a right or wrong call the statement I made is that is funny how the subjectivity of any call changes based on the beneficiary.
In regards to re-watching the replay:

I was responding to a comment made that there couldn't have been a call because it was within 5 yards.

You're right, and by quoting you it looked like I was calling you out, and I wasn't. My apologies for being unclear there. I read your post, hit the quote button initially to agree that it was beyond five yards, then got sidetracked watching the replay and my response grew.

I'll edit that other post to make where I'm going more clear. Sorry about that.

No offense taken. I tried be as un-d**k like as possible with my response.

Glad the call or lack there of went our way.

 

[macroboy]

totally holding. db's do it alot and sometimes they get caught someitmes they don't. Call went our way. Good.

Knapplc's point about no holding on OU's line is a valid point as well.