Saunders
Heisman Trophy Winner
lololololololololol.....
Which one of these guys is better than Bo?
Jerry Kill, Minnesota
Darrell Hazell, Purdue
Kevin Wilson, Indiana
Tim Beckman, Illinois
I eagerly await your non-biased and logical analysis.
Ranking Big 10 coaches - Bo # 7
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Which one of these guys is better than Bo?
Jerry Kill, Minnesota
Darrell Hazell, Purdue
Kevin Wilson, Indiana
Tim Beckman, Illinois
I eagerly await your non-biased and logical analysis.
TGHusker
Heisman Trophy Winner
SEC yes. What other conferences? Big 12 has MiddleGame Bob Stoops - who has settled into the place Tom was in at the end of the 80s early 90s - win the conference but not the big games (except against a down texas team) - Mac attack Brown is on the downhill slide - can't thing of anyone else. There are a few other 'powerhouse' coaches scattered around but not another conference full of them IMHO.
QMany
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Landlord
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Just to add to the discussion, here's the number of games we've played per season since 1970
1970: 12 games
1971: 13 games
1972: 13 games
1973: 13 games
1974: 12 games
1975: 12 games
1976: 13 games
1977: 12 games
1978: 12 games
1979: 12 games
1980: 12 games
1981: 12 games
1982: 13 games
1983: 13 games
1984: 12 games
1985: 12 games
1986: 12 games
1987: 12 games
1988: 13 games
1989: 12 games
1990: 12 games
1991: 13 games
1992: 12 games
1993: 12 games
1994: 13 games
1995: 12 games
1996: 13 games
1997: 13 games
1998: 13 games
1999: 13 games
2000: 13 games
2001: 13 games
2002: 14 games
2003: 13 games
2004: 11 games (srsly WTH)
2005: 12 games
2006: 14 games
2007: 12 games
2008: 13 games
2009: 14 games
2010: 14 games
2011: 13 games
2012: 14 games
Kill and Hazell field teams not as prone to as many OL illegal procedure penalties, neither has players with turnover issues like NU, neither have teams that prior to the snap look lost, confused, not aware of their assignments and looking to each other and the sidelines for help as to assignments. Their teams do not have these coaching problems (like NU does). Now... they have lesser players to work with and perform less well than do the Huskers as a result... but not for coaching issues.... but talent issues.
The lack of obvious coaching problems at Minnesota and at Purdue relative to the obvious coaching problems at NU make me think that Kill and Hazell are, for their part, at least as good... and likely better than Bo. Neither have the context to recruit like the Huskers do... so that I have left out of the discussion. I simply look at team game preparedness (unresolved continual problems, confusion, turnovers, penalties, losing focus and giving up huge #ers w/o responding in real time to stop the bleeding, etc.) and NU has more problems in that regard than most teams --- and that is, at least largely, a coaching thing.
You ask for unbiased... well simply look at the Huskers on the field and you will see many things that the coaches need to fix... the Huskers, as much as I love them and have for 30 years followed them, are of late really undisciplined and have all sorts of fundamental issues to iron out... they do have talent and (at times) play with some real heart.. but there are undeniable coaching issues that transcend those at most places. I do not see those problems as obviously manifest at Minnesote or Purdue (though, admittedly, I have seen each team only several times a year... and so the sample size is small and the assessment anecdotal... but from what I have seen, I have not seen the same level of problems seen at NU).
The lack of obvious coaching problems at Minnesota and at Purdue relative to the obvious coaching problems at NU make me think that Kill and Hazell are, for their part, at least as good... and likely better than Bo. Neither have the context to recruit like the Huskers do... so that I have left out of the discussion. I simply look at team game preparedness (unresolved continual problems, confusion, turnovers, penalties, losing focus and giving up huge #ers w/o responding in real time to stop the bleeding, etc.) and NU has more problems in that regard than most teams --- and that is, at least largely, a coaching thing.
You ask for unbiased... well simply look at the Huskers on the field and you will see many things that the coaches need to fix... the Huskers, as much as I love them and have for 30 years followed them, are of late really undisciplined and have all sorts of fundamental issues to iron out... they do have talent and (at times) play with some real heart.. but there are undeniable coaching issues that transcend those at most places. I do not see those problems as obviously manifest at Minnesote or Purdue (though, admittedly, I have seen each team only several times a year... and so the sample size is small and the assessment anecdotal... but from what I have seen, I have not seen the same level of problems seen at NU).
RedRedJarvisRedwine
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And 8 is the new 6, and 12 is the new 10 and black is the new brown and....... Wait, what are we talking about?
The Dude
Heisman Trophy Winner
To be fair, what O'Brian did with Penn State and what Andersen did with Utah State is at least as impressive as anything Bo has done. Probably more so.
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TGHusker
Heisman Trophy Winner
OK I'll conceed - 10 is the new 9 :ahhhhhhhh Now back the the real topic. Is Bo properly ranked at # 7?
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Landlord
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TGHusker
Heisman Trophy Winner
You bring up some good points - if we are to talk about performance (I did regarding the record and being in the CCG) there are some ongoing on the field performance issues and we've been fortunate to win most games in spite of those - turnovers (esp fumbles), penalties, game time adjustment ( or lack thereof) and being out coached in the big games in front of a national audience, & players (on D) being lost to often. Of course, these are the same issues we have moaned about in other posts - but they are valid issues in which to evaluate a coach.
TGHusker
Heisman Trophy Winner
StPaulHusker
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Considering what Fitzgerald and Dantonio has done with their respective programs, I think Bo could be ranked anywhere from 2-4. Hoke did take Michigan to a BCS bowl which is something Pelini has not done but I don't think that puts him above Bo. Any new coach that has not been a HC in one of the "Big" conferences should not be ranked higher.