Recent Players Leaving

I do not agree with walk away, your a good guy and good luck.
He took a scholarship away from a kid that wanted to be here from day one.

He has quit twice now.

I thought he had more talent than any of the other backs after watching film on him.  I have been on his band wagon since day one.

This program took a chance on him.  If he had injured himself this year would they have pulled his scholarship and said go home young man you can not do it any more.  Would the staff said, hey your not as good as we thought so your scholarship is gone, ba bye.

NO.  Nebraska honors its word.  Just as every player should.  Quitting is quitting no matter how pretty we make it sound.  He turncoat and ran.  I have no use for this.  I guess it is the 26 years of the Marine Corps, but I just can not stand a quitter.  You do what you set out to, you make the most of it and go from there. 

I want my toys or I am going to go home attitude is enough to gag a maggot these days.  Too many think they are here for the glory and we owe it to them.  You need to want to be here, not do us a friggen favor.

You can all kiss his butt and say good luck.  I say good ridance to anyone that shakes my hand and then walks away for mommy or what ever.

Quitters never win!  Winners never quit!!

Sorry, I am just not the PC type of person some of you are.  This is the very reason our High School drop out rates have continued to rise.  It is the reason the divorce rate in this country is so high.  Your word is your bond.  You just don't change becasue it works better for you some other way.

As stated earlier this week, it's done, I wiped, flushed and forgot about it.
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I have to disagree with you on one or two points. In becks case I totally agree. he pussed out and left with no HONOR.

I have to say that LJ tried wanted to walk away and came back. he worked his arse off and saw that he was not going to play. He agreed to go to college to play football and for that he was to get a free education, but is it actually free. Everyone of them has to go to classes like other students and maintain a certain GPA, but these guys have to work in what amounts to a full time job along with that and learn a massive playbook. They also cannot have a real part time job as other students can and earn some spending money, but the university makes no qualms about riding their coat tail to the bank with he money that their hard work brings in. Granted there are players that also have to pay for their education in order to expierence the college football dream. But to call him a turncoat is wrong in my opinion.

He has to look at the future and what his future holds for him and ask himself do I want a family and what is the best for me and my future family. If he stays here, any shot at the NFL is probably gone. He is going after a dream, and felt that his best was not good enough here. He has decided that in order to fullfill his dreams he must move on.

I hold nothing but respect for him. Think of it this way: If you have a goal that you have set and want real bad. A) Do you make one attempt at it and except the results even if you see halfway through the plan to get there is not going to work. or B) Realize that your plan needs adjusting and in order to fullfill your plans you must make some changes that will disappoint some people that in reality only care about you while you are playing and satisfying their enjoyment of a game as a spectator.

another way to look at it is. Say you buy a home and the loan is set for 30 years, after 10 years intrest rates drop to an all time low. You can better yourself and refinance or you can continue to pay the higher rates because you signed a 30 year deal. I will tell you what I would do and you can call me a turncoat if you want, but I would refinance ASAP.

All Leon did was try to put himself in a better position for the rest of his football playing days with a chance to play longer and in turn better his life.

GBR

 
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It looks like a certain QB that has just left NU will be transferring to NC State. His HS coach wouldnt confirm it but said that once the transfer paperwork gets completed they would make an anouncment
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Oh well. You win some and lose some........and some just quit.

 
I do not agree with walk away, your a good guy and good luck.
He took a scholarship away from a kid that wanted to be here from day one.

He has quit twice now.

I thought he had more talent than any of the other backs after watching film on him. I have been on his band wagon since day one.

This program took a chance on him. If he had injured himself this year would they have pulled his scholarship and said go home young man you can not do it any more. Would the staff said, hey your not as good as we thought so your scholarship is gone, ba bye.

NO. Nebraska honors its word. Just as every player should. Quitting is quitting no matter how pretty we make it sound. He turncoat and ran. I have no use for this. I guess it is the 26 years of the Marine Corps, but I just can not stand a quitter. You do what you set out to, you make the most of it and go from there.

I want my toys or I am going to go home attitude is enough to gag a maggot these days. Too many think they are here for the glory and we owe it to them. You need to want to be here, not do us a friggen favor.

You can all kiss his butt and say good luck. I say good ridance to anyone that shakes my hand and then walks away for mommy or what ever.

Quitters never win! Winners never quit!!

Sorry, I am just not the PC type of person some of you are. This is the very reason our High School drop out rates have continued to rise. It is the reason the divorce rate in this country is so high. Your word is your bond. You just don't change becasue it works better for you some other way.

As stated earlier this week, it's done, I wiped, flushed and forgot about it.
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k ill bite. i agree with Skers on this one. good riddance. he was kind of a baby and said "no i dont wanna be a safety, i wanna be a running back!"

Thats why i appreciate Tierre Green, Fluellen, Spain, etc so much because they are selfless and want to do anything to help the team. Leon didnt. This isnt Burger King, you dont get it your way. Its the coaches' way or the highway.

 
k ill bite.  i agree with Skers on this one.  good riddance.  he was kind of a baby and said "no i dont wanna be a safety, i wanna be a running back!"
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Is that such a bad thing, though? Ultimately, football has to be fun. If you enjoy the game when you carry the ball rather than hitting the ball carrier, that’s simply the way you are.

This kid gave it a shot – a legitimate shot. He wants to play as a running back. He recognized that his chances were slim that would happen. He didn’t sneak out, pout, or phone in his reasons from half a continent away.

Unlike days of yore, scholarships are no longer four year rides. They are year to year. The agreement is no longer, “Commit to us and we’ll commit to you”; it’s now, “Commit to us, and if you produce we’ll renew your scholarship – and if you don’t, we’ll cut your a$$”.

I have no problem with someone moving on when the situation isn’t working for them – assuming they’ve given it a legitimate shot.

Thats why i appreciate Tierre Green, Fluellen, Spain, etc so much because they are selfless and want to do anything to help the team.  Leon didnt.  This isnt Burger King, you dont get it your way.  Its the coaches' way or the highway.
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Selflessness is fine – but it can’t be carried to the point that it runs your dreams or aspirations. My guess is the kid thinks he has the talent to play at the next level as a running back – but that he’d never feel comfortable or perform well enough to get there as a defensive back. He made what he felt was an honest assessment of his preferences and abilities, and recognized that he was better off moving on. Again, he didn’t b!^@h because he wasn’t getting the reps; he didn’t pout because the job wasn’t handed to him – he gave it a shot, recognized that it wasn’t going to work out, and decided to try somewhere else. And he did it the right way.

 
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I see some of your points, and admit people need to be happy.

I retired from the Marine Corps after 26 years. I have been married nearly 38 years. My word to me is all that is important. You just don't quit because it is not working the way you think it should. You buckle down and finish what you started.

Yes I am older, but giving your word should still be the same. Things are changing and I understand that. It's all about money and what is in it for me. There was no loyalty to Nebraska, only loyalty to himself.

I will take the heat for my thoughts, but I do not nor will I ever adapt my prinicpals to be with the group or to be PC.

There is no honor in quitting. I will never endorse it. Nor understand it.

 
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I have a question skersfan. Is Scott Frost a quitter in your eyes? He agreed to play 4 years at Stanford but when it was apparent that he didn't fit in their plans as a QB he bolted for NU. On numerous occasions you have stated that when you think of a Husker you think of Frost so I was just wondring after what you said in this thread if you think Frost is a quitter.

As far as Beck and Jackson go neither had proven so far that they were going to make a difference on the field. Maybe if Jackson would have tried harder to pick up the safety postition but I think he wanted to be a RB and nothing else.

 
I do not recall ever making that statement.

I see your point. It is valid no question. I guess the only answer is my loyalty to Nebraska.

Quitting no matter who it is disrupts the team. Some leaving helps the team, Incognito would be one positive. But normally there are those on the side of the person that left and those that agree with staff. A less secure feeling I think.

I try to let the past be gone. Unless it reflects on Nebraska. I want to protect the imagae of the program. Someone coming in from another program for what ever reason is now a Husker. I support them until proven different.

I was one of the few that felt Leon was the real deal. I truly wanted him to succeed, as I saw unlimited potential. But I also saw a spoiled child after the first episode. I predicted he would be the one to go last week. People do not change much. His coach made statements about his character or lack of after he left the first time. He has proven his worth. I doubt SC or any other top program will give him a shot. He has taken a step down the ladder.

Scott Frost never quit at Nebraska.

 
I like your post. I was thinking the same thing about Scott Frost. I'm glad you brought it up. How about Taylor? Didn't he quit Wake Forest? It keeps being mentioned your promise to a university for 4 years. What about the players that are good enough to jump to the NFL after 3? Did they quit on their team?

I got jumped all over a couple of years ago when I asked why we were recruiting so damn many high profile running backs. It is quite apparent that there was too many studs in the mares stable. I'm sure Beck is still thinking about BC's promise not to recruit another QB and then brought in Taylor. I don't think it was a bad thing to bring in Taylor because you've got to have 2 very capable QB's on hand. However, you don't need like 4 or 5 capable RB's.

When Joe Dailey quit, I'll compare his leaving to Frost's leaving Stanford. It was all about coaching changes. I would rather have a player quit and go on to play somewhere else than to have a player quit via the law. In all reality, Phillips quit when he cave manned his ex. Farley quit the team when he was drunk, wrecked into a parked car, and then ran from the cops. They were allowed back on the team, but gee whiz they were both starters and major contributors. Beck and Jackson weren't really starters or major contributors yet.

 
In honesty I do feel leaving early is quitting. So did Dr. Tom. Loyalty is what a team is made of. Without it you really have nothing.

There was no change for Leon. He came here knowing the deck. He left because he could not cut it. Nothing less nothing more.

 
I see some of your points, and admit people need to be happy.
I retired from the Marine Corps after 26 years. I have been married nearly 38 years. My word to me is all that is important. You just don't quit because it is not working the way you think it should. You buckle down and finish what you started.

Yes I am older, but giving your word should still be the same. Things are changing and I understand that. It's all about money and what is in it for me. There was no loyalty to Nebraska, only loyalty to himself.

I will take the heat for my thoughts, but I do not nor will I ever adapt my prinicpals to be with the group or to be PC.

There is no honor in quitting. I will never endorse it. Nor understand it.
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I think, from the context, you were probably responding to my post specifically and some others generally.

While it is admirable and desirable to have firm moral stances, there are very few absolutes in this world. The term "situational ethics" has, to some extent, become a pejorative term. But the reality of life is that virtually all ethics or morals are situational. They have to be - one can be so rigid in their application that they harm themselves and others. One example is the so-called little white lie people use every day to keep from hurting other people's feelings unnecessarily. Just as a silly example, if a female co-worker comes to you and asks if she looks fat in an outfit, the moral stance of “always tell the truth” should be adaptable enough to not conflict with the moral stance of not hurting another.

When you speak of a kid giving his word to a university to play football for them, the reality is that you are imposing a higher moral standard on the kid than you are on the university. The university has not (in fact, legally cannot) made a commitment to the kid for four years – each year the kid has to prove his worth. Therefore, and again looking at the reality of the situation, the kid is simply promising that he will commit to the university; i.e., he will sign a letter of intent and attempt to meet the university’s expectations in order to keep his scholarship. After that, it all becomes a matter of meeting expectations and performance. Why should that “meeting expectations” be one-sided? If the situation at the university does not meet the kid’s expectations, why should they be bound to a longer term of commitment than is the university?

Sometimes a commitment is a mistake – and there’s no harm in recognizing that mistake and correcting it. If a university made a mistake in recruiting a kid, they can and do refuse to renew the scholarship. Why must the kid meet a higher standard?

You could argue that Nebraska has never done that – but even assuming it hasn’t (and to be honest, I don’t know), you need to be very careful in making such a statement. The reality is that under the current regulations, it could very well happen.

You mentioned the length of time you have been married. The implication is that you would never get divorced – that you gave your word that you would never leave your wife. What if she tries to murder other family members? What if she cheats on you – repeatedly, openly, and with no regard to your feelings? What if the both of you realize that you absolutely hate each other’s guts, and that remaining together not only is making both of you miserable, but is harming your children?

I could go on and on with other examples, but I don’t think it’s necessary. The point is that for every “moral absolute” you state, I can come up with situations in which adhering to it does no one any good, and actually harms all involved. Under those circumstances, there is no loss of honor to admit a mistake and move on.

This is a kid playing sports. That’s it. It isn’t the same as a commitment to defend your country. It doesn’t even rise to the level of a commitment made in wedding vows.

Like you, I’m one of this board’s more “experienced” members. And like you, I don't like seeing some of the changes that have taken place in society. I, too, would like to see some of the values that I grew up with respected and followed. However, if there is one thing I’ve learned over the years, it is that life consists of change – and often change that is completely unforeseen. As John Lennon sang, “Life is what happens to you while you busy making other plans”.

 
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