Recruiting Tangent Thread

[StPaulHusker]

But, I dont think it takes that to win a national championship. 

It may take that to win a national championship and also be considered the most dominating and best team in the history of college football.

National Champions average recruiting ranking according to 247 the 5 years leading into the championship year:

2004:  USC 8.8

2005:  Texas 8.4

2006:  Florida 6

2007:  LSU 6.8

2008:  Florida 5

2009:  Alabama 9.4

2010:  Auburn 14

2011:  Alabama 4.6

2012:  Alabama 2.4

2013:  Florida St 7.2

2014:  Ohio St 6.8

2015:  Alabama 1

2016:  Clemson 14.2

2017:  Alabama 1

It has taken no lower than an average 14 recruiting class since 2000 to win a national championship.  And, again, if Frost can win one without doing the same, put up a statue for him immediately after.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Exactly Huskers.  When NU finally got that talent it created the best team ever. That was never the M.O. because that was not the normal level of talent. It was about hard work and coaching.

Nebraska has ALWAYS gotten the talent back then.  What teams were you watching?

 

[runningblind]

Nebraska has ALWAYS gotten the talent back then.  What teams were you watching?

Had talent, but not the level you remember.

Agree to disagree.   :cheers

 

[Huskers93-97]

National Champions average recruiting ranking according to 247 the 5 years leading into the championship year:

2004:  USC 8.8

2005:  Texas 8.4

2006:  Florida 6

2007:  LSU 6.8

2008:  Florida 5

2009:  Alabama 9.4

2010:  Auburn 14

2011:  Alabama 4.6

2012:  Alabama 2.4

2013:  Florida St 7.2

2014:  Ohio St 6.8

2015:  Alabama 1

2016:  Clemson 14.2

2017:  Alabama 1

It has taken no lower than an average 14 recruiting class since 2000 to win a national championship.  And, again, if Frost can win one without doing the same, put up a statue for him immediately after.

Not sure how easy it was for you to put that together. But can you do the same thing for the team that lost the national championship game that year? I only say that because yes they lost- but they were obviously right there and had what it took to win the natty- they just lost to a better coach. I think oregon played in 2 from memory and I think they had a chance to win both. Now they came up short- but a different bounce of a ball here or there and they may have won. So curious what it takes to get to the game.

Oregons classes during they dominating run is very important to note, because it directly impacts how we should view things. Because it shows what this system can over come in talent or star ratings.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Not sure how easy it was for you to put that together. But can you do the same thing for the team that lost the national championship game that year? I only say that because yes they lost- but they were obviously right there and had what it took to win the natty- they just lost to a better coach. I think oregon played in 2 from memory and I think they had a chance to win both. Now they came up short- but a different bounce of a ball here or there and they may have won. So curious what it takes to get to the game.

Oregons classes during they dominating run is very important to note, because it directly impacts how we should view things. Because it shows what this system can over come in talent or star ratings.

Sure.  I'll do it.  Give me a few minutes

 

[GSG]

Sure.  I'll do it.  Give me a few minutes

Should probably do all 4 playoff teams from the past few years... if you got the time :thumbs

 

[Cdog923]

Had talent, but not the level you remember.

Agree to disagree.   :cheers

Nebraska's  1992, 1995 and 1996 classes were in the top 10 by Tom Lemming. Max Emfinger has Nebraska in his top 10 in '92, '94, '95 and '96

National Champions average recruiting ranking according to 247 the 5 years leading into the championship year:

2004:  USC 8.8

2005:  Texas 8.4

2006:  Florida 6

2007:  LSU 6.8

2008:  Florida 5

2009:  Alabama 9.4

2010:  Auburn 14

2011:  Alabama 4.6

2012:  Alabama 2.4

2013:  Florida St 7.2

2014:  Ohio St 6.8

2015:  Alabama 1

2016:  Clemson 14.2

2017:  Alabama 1

It has taken no lower than an average 14 recruiting class since 2000 to win a national championship.  And, again, if Frost can win one without doing the same, put up a statue for him immediately after.

Good stats, but by that token, HCSF should have 5 years to recruit. 

 

[Mierin]

National Champions average recruiting ranking according to 247 the 5 years leading into the championship year:

2004:  USC 8.8

2005:  Texas 8.4

2006:  Florida 6

2007:  LSU 6.8

2008:  Florida 5

2009:  Alabama 9.4

2010:  Auburn 14

2011:  Alabama 4.6

2012:  Alabama 2.4

2013:  Florida St 7.2

2014:  Ohio St 6.8

2015:  Alabama 1

2016:  Clemson 14.2

2017:  Alabama 1

It has taken no lower than an average 14 recruiting class since 2000 to win a national championship.  And, again, if Frost can win one without doing the same, put up a statue for him immediately after.

He's going to have to do it to get a NC, because we aren't going to have those averages.

 

[runningblind]

He's going to have to do it to get a NC, because we aren't going to have those averages.

This.

I should clarify my prior statement about never having that talent. I meant we never had top 5 talent coming in. After Epley and TO were done with them, a ton were that caliber of players. But that is coaching and development, turning 2/3/4star recruits into 4/5 star players.

 

[StPaulHusker]

National Champions average recruiting ranking according to 247 the 5 years leading into the championship year:

2004:  USC 8.8

2005:  Texas 8.4

2006:  Florida 6

2007:  LSU 6.8

2008:  Florida 5

2009:  Alabama 9.4

2010:  Auburn 14

2011:  Alabama 4.6

2012:  Alabama 2.4

2013:  Florida St 7.2

2014:  Ohio St 6.8

2015:  Alabama 1

2016:  Clemson 14.2

2017:  Alabama 1

It has taken no lower than an average 14 recruiting class since 2000 to win a national championship.  And, again, if Frost can win one without doing the same, put up a statue for him immediately after.

Runner ups average recruiting rankings:

2004:  Oklahoma 9.8

2005:  USC:  6.6

2006:  Ohio St:  40.8  Something weird with this one as 247 shows they only took 6,5,6 commitments from 03-05.  Infractions maybe?  idk

2007:  Ohio St:  54.4.  Same thing here

2008:  Oklahoma:  8.8

2009:  Texas 7.2

2010:  Oregon 28

2011:  LSU 7.2

2012: Notre Dame 11.6

2013:  Auburn 11

2014:  Oregon 15.6

2015:  Clemson 14

2016:  Alabama 1

2017 Georgia 7

So with the exception of 2010 Oregon (and the weird OSU years from 03-06) the runner up in the national championship game since 2004 had no less than a 15-16 average recruiting ranking over the 5 years leading up to the game.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Nebraska's  1992, 1995 and 1996 classes were in the top 10 by Tom Lemming. Max Emfinger has Nebraska in his top 10 in '92, '94, '95 and '96

Good stats, but by that token, HCSF should have 5 years to recruit. 

I was thinking about looking up the class rankings of a new HC leading up to their first NC appearance.  Maybe another day.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Should probably do all 4 playoff teams from the past few years... if you got the time :thumbs

I actually started looking at that.  From just browsing, only the Michigan St appearance had a team with an average below 15-16 

Edit:  Did it during lunch:

2014:  Bama-1.6      Oregon-15.6      Ohio St-6.8     Florida St-5.8

2015:  Bama-1      Clemson-14     Michigan St-30.4      Oklahoma-14

2016:  Bama-1      Clemson-14.2     Ohio St-4.2     Washington-27

2017:  Bama-1    Georgia-7     Oklahoma-14.4     Clemson-13.4

So 2 teams out of 16 in 4 years with lower than 14 average recruiting ranking going into their games.  Michigan St and Washington   

 

[GBRFAN]

Show me one coach that says they are just trying to recruit the best players regardless of fit.

No one said that being high rated is a guarantee but when you have a 4-5 star player that doesn't pan out and you have other 4-5 star players to fill in, it works out.  See:  Clemson, Alabama, Ohio St.  

Recruiting is only one part.  Coaching and development are the other 2.  See Alabama, Ohio St, Penn St, Clemson

If he can do it game after game in the B1G with his system, then God bless him.  I see Urban Meyer and James Franklin taking the other approach and being very successful.

Almost every class for Texas in the past 2 decades and i would say to a smaller degree BP did that at NU.

 

[GBRFAN]

Nebraska's 95 NC team starters consisted of 2 5 star RB's, 6 High School All American's and 10 High School All State players from like 4-5 different states.  Let's be real here.

Nice cherry picking - SF and NU are not in a situation of 95 NU.

TO fielded "solid" (great)  teams for 2 decades and 15 or so of those classes have NO resemblance to what you described.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Nice cherry picking - SF and NU are not in a situation of 95 NU.

TO fielded "solid" (great)  teams for 2 decades and 15 or so of those classes have NO resemblance to what you described.

Were those other teams National Champions?  No?  Then they are irrelevant to the discussion of needing big time players to win one.

Almost every class for Texas in the past 2 decades and i would say to a smaller degree BP did that at NU.

Do you have quotes from Mack Brown or Bo Pelini that said it what was they were doing?  Didn't think so.