Riley Shelf Life

[Savage Husker]

If you are referring to he who shall not be named, it was his first time as a college head coach so really Riley is the first coach in a LONG time to come here with actual college head coaching experience. That should really mean something.

Yeah, I think Callahan's* lack of college coaching experience had a bigger impact than anyone anticipated. It seems like Cally treated his players like they were professionals. But the vast majority of college players lack the mental discipline that the pros have. And that's why he never got the most out of his players. Bo, on the other hand, hadn't been a college HC before. Yet he seemed better at training his players up, and instilling a sense of team spirit. (Even though the team spirit seemed like us-against-the-world sometimes.)

*Callahan. There, I named he who cannot be named.

Does calling his team "stupid" count for treating your team like professionals? Lol

 

[True2tRA]

If you are referring to he who shall not be named, it was his first time as a college head coach so really Riley is the first coach in a LONG time to come here with actual college head coaching experience. That should really mean something.

Bo, on the other hand, hadn't been a college HC before. Yet he seemed better at training his players up

I know this may take a minute of your time to think about, but I've always been curious on people's thoughts on this subject. Could you list {b]who[/b] you would put in this category? Who do you feel clearlyimproved from their freshmen to their senior seasons as a player under Bo Pelini and his staff?

There's a couple of obvious guys I would list:

Ndamukong Suh

Stanley Jean Baptiste

Prince Amukamara

Those guys were highly talented players to begin with, but I do believe they improved over their time here, especially Suh.

Who else would you say you saw "tangible" improvement throughout their careers?

[maybe this neeeds a thread, maybe not]

 

[Landlord]

If you are referring to he who shall not be named, it was his first time as a college head coach so really Riley is the first coach in a LONG time to come here with actual college head coaching experience. That should really mean something.

Bo, on the other hand, hadn't been a college HC before. Yet he seemed better at training his players up

I know this may take a minute of your time to think about, but I've always been curious on people's thoughts on this subject. Could you list {b]who[/b] you would put in this category? Who do you feel clearlyimproved from their freshmen to their senior seasons as a player under Bo Pelini and his staff?

There's a couple of obvious guys I would list:

Ndamukong Suh

Stanley Jean Baptiste

Prince Amukamara

Those guys were highly talented players to begin with, but I do believe they improved over their time here, especially Suh.

Who else would you say you saw "tangible" improvement throughout their careers?

[maybe this neeeds a thread, maybe not]

Are we only talking about guys that were under both coaches?

 

[BigRedBuster]

If you are referring to he who shall not be named, it was his first time as a college head coach so really Riley is the first coach in a LONG time to come here with actual college head coaching experience. That should really mean something.

Bo, on the other hand, hadn't been a college HC before. Yet he seemed better at training his players up

I know this may take a minute of your time to think about, but I've always been curious on people's thoughts on this subject. Could you list {b]who[/b] you would put in this category? Who do you feel clearlyimproved from their freshmen to their senior seasons as a player under Bo Pelini and his staff?

There's a couple of obvious guys I would list:

Ndamukong Suh

Stanley Jean Baptiste

Prince Amukamara

Those guys were highly talented players to begin with, but I do believe they improved over their time here, especially Suh.

Who else would you say you saw "tangible" improvement throughout their careers?

[maybe this neeeds a thread, maybe not]

There were lots of players who improved from their freshman year on. Fans who claim there wasn't any player development is just grasping at straws for things to complain about with the old staff. Now, was there enough? That's debatable and I might agree with some who don't think so. But, to claim only three players improved from their freshman year is laughable even if you work in the word "tangible".

 

[DrunkOffPunch]

Way too early to be talking about Bray as a DC. Sure he's been off the charts recruiting but he still needs to get it done on the field to be in that conversation. Good thing for him though is he's young and seems to have plenty of enthusiasm so I'm sure he'll get the chance to prove himself. That and we have 2 other guys on D with prior DC experience at P5 programs. (And Davis has experience as DC in the NFL)

I think you mean Stewart...right? He has DC experience in both NFL and college.

Jesus it was a long weekend. Thanks for pointing me straight. I'll +1 you when I'm not on mobile.

 

[Redux]

We have had 3 back to back to back RB's turn in stellar careers under the Pelini regime.

 

[NUance]

If you are referring to he who shall not be named, it was his first time as a college head coach so really Riley is the first coach in a LONG time to come here with actual college head coaching experience. That should really mean something.

Bo, on the other hand, hadn't been a college HC before. Yet he seemed better at training his players up

I know this may take a minute of your time to think about, but I've always been curious on people's thoughts on this subject. Could you list {b]who[/b] you would put in this category? Who do you feel clearlyimproved from their freshmen to their senior seasons as a player under Bo Pelini and his staff?

There's a couple of obvious guys I would list:

Ndamukong Suh

Stanley Jean Baptiste

Prince Amukamara

Those guys were highly talented players to begin with, but I do believe they improved over their time here, especially Suh.

Who else would you say you saw "tangible" improvement throughout their careers?

[maybe this neeeds a thread, maybe not]

O'Hanlon, Helu, Caputo, Martinez, Abdullah, Spencer Long, Mark Pelini, and probly a couple others I've forgotten. All those guys did considerably better than expected when we recruited them. Or at least, better than the *fans* thought they would. (I'd mention Crick but we had pretty high expectations for him, I think.)

 

[Savage Husker]

If you are referring to he who shall not be named, it was his first time as a college head coach so really Riley is the first coach in a LONG time to come here with actual college head coaching experience. That should really mean something.

Bo, on the other hand, hadn't been a college HC before. Yet he seemed better at training his players up

I know this may take a minute of your time to think about, but I've always been curious on people's thoughts on this subject. Could you list {b]who[/b] you would put in this category? Who do you feel clearlyimproved from their freshmen to their senior seasons as a player under Bo Pelini and his staff?
There's a couple of obvious guys I would list:

Ndamukong Suh

Stanley Jean Baptiste

Prince Amukamara

Those guys were highly talented players to begin with, but I do believe they improved over their time here, especially Suh.

Who else would you say you saw "tangible" improvement throughout their careers?

[maybe this neeeds a thread, maybe not]

O'Hanlon, Helu, Caputo, Martinez, Abdullah, Spencer Long, Mark Pelini, and probly a couple others I've forgotten. All those guys did considerably better than expected when we recruited them. Or at least, better than the *fans* thought they would. (I'd mention Crick but we had pretty high expectations for him, I think.)

Suh saying Crick would be better than him after the Holiday Bowl helped fuel those expectations. He was pretty darn good though.

 

[NUance]

If you are referring to he who shall not be named, it was his first time as a college head coach so really Riley is the first coach in a LONG time to come here with actual college head coaching experience. That should really mean something.

Bo, on the other hand, hadn't been a college HC before. Yet he seemed better at training his players up

I know this may take a minute of your time to think about, but I've always been curious on people's thoughts on this subject. Could you list {b]who[/b] you would put in this category? Who do you feel clearlyimproved from their freshmen to their senior seasons as a player under Bo Pelini and his staff?
There's a couple of obvious guys I would list:

Ndamukong Suh

Stanley Jean Baptiste

Prince Amukamara

Those guys were highly talented players to begin with, but I do believe they improved over their time here, especially Suh.

Who else would you say you saw "tangible" improvement throughout their careers?

[maybe this neeeds a thread, maybe not]

O'Hanlon, Helu, Caputo, Martinez, Abdullah, Spencer Long, Mark Pelini, and probly a couple others I've forgotten. All those guys did considerably better than expected when we recruited them. Or at least, better than the *fans* thought they would. (I'd mention Crick but we had pretty high expectations for him, I think.)

Suh saying Crick would be better than him after the Holiday Bowl helped fuel those expectations. He was pretty darn good though.

Ha ha! Yeah, that was praise coming from a teammate. We all knew Crick would be good, maybe even NFL material. But not on the same level as Suh.

I was thinking of our expectations of Crick coming out of high school. He got a fair amount of attention, some of which was due to him being local and all.

 

[Landlord]

O'Hanlon, Helu, Caputo, Martinez, Abdullah, Spencer Long, Mark Pelini, and probly a couple others I've forgotten. All those guys did considerably better than expected when we recruited them. Or at least, better than the *fans* thought they would. (I'd mention Crick but we had pretty high expectations for him, I think.)

That's a good list. I'd add Burkhead on there, as well as Gregory, Cody Glenn, Crick, Gomes and Hagg. The list probably gets bigger when you start going into guess work territory of not necessarily guys that far surpassed expectations, but that you think wouldn't have been as good of players on a different team or under a different staff.

 

[huKSer]

If you are referring to he who shall not be named, it was his first time as a college head coach so really Riley is the first coach in a LONG time to come here with actual college head coaching experience. That should really mean something.

Yeah, I think Callahan's* lack of college coaching experience had a bigger impact than anyone anticipated. It seems like Cally treated his players like they were professionals. But the vast majority of college players lack the mental discipline that the pros have. And that's why he never got the most out of his players. Bo, on the other hand, hadn't been a college HC before. Yet he seemed better at training his players up, and instilling a sense of team spirit. (Even though the team spirit seemed like us-against-the-world sometimes.)

*Callahan. There, I named he who cannot be named.

Does calling his team "stupid" count for treating your team like professionals? Lol

Didn't he do this to the Raiders? - So yes he did!​

 

[BigRedBuster]

I would say that almost every player that was a starter as upper classmen improved from when they were freshmen.

 

[True2tRA]

If you are referring to he who shall not be named, it was his first time as a college head coach so really Riley is the first coach in a LONG time to come here with actual college head coaching experience. That should really mean something.

Bo, on the other hand, hadn't been a college HC before. Yet he seemed better at training his players up

I know this may take a minute of your time to think about, but I've always been curious on people's thoughts on this subject. Could you list {b]who[/b] you would put in this category? Who do you feel clearlyimproved from their freshmen to their senior seasons as a player under Bo Pelini and his staff?

There's a couple of obvious guys I would list:

Ndamukong Suh

Stanley Jean Baptiste

Prince Amukamara

Those guys were highly talented players to begin with, but I do believe they improved over their time here, especially Suh.

Who else would you say you saw "tangible" improvement throughout their careers?

[maybe this neeeds a thread, maybe not]

There were lots of players who improved from their freshman year on. Fans who claim there wasn't any player development is just grasping at straws for things to complain about with the old staff. Now, was there enough? That's debatable and I might agree with some who don't think so. But, to claim only three players improved from their freshman year is laughable even if you work in the word "tangible".

You know, I get so tired of this, and you seem to be one of the key posters that contributes to this stuf. Where in the hell did I insinuate that I thought there was only three? I was on lunch, I had just a second to glance over some comments here. I like Nuance and I like to hear his opinion so I asked if he wanted to take a minute to give his thoughts on who he thought really improved as a player over their career.

Had I had maybe a few more minutes I would've put a bit more time into the answer too, but those three guys were the very obvious ones to me.

I get f'ing tired of people putting words in my mouth around here. I didn' "work in" the word tangible....it was the word I used to describe what I was asking Nuance to answer.

Stop "grasping at straws" and trying to create arguments. It was a simple question. I can't tell you people enough. I don't know it all, I don't pretend to know it all like the rest of you jmfb's that run around here. I know what I know and when I don't know, I ask.

 

[NUance]

I don't pretend to know it all like the rest of you jmfb's that run around here.

You just created a new Urban Dictionary definition.

 

[True2tRA]

If you are referring to he who shall not be named, it was his first time as a college head coach so really Riley is the first coach in a LONG time to come here with actual college head coaching experience. That should really mean something.

Bo, on the other hand, hadn't been a college HC before. Yet he seemed better at training his players up

I know this may take a minute of your time to think about, but I've always been curious on people's thoughts on this subject. Could you list {b]who[/b] you would put in this category? Who do you feel clearlyimproved from their freshmen to their senior seasons as a player under Bo Pelini and his staff?

There's a couple of obvious guys I would list:

Ndamukong Suh

Stanley Jean Baptiste

Prince Amukamara

Those guys were highly talented players to begin with, but I do believe they improved over their time here, especially Suh.

Who else would you say you saw "tangible" improvement throughout their careers?

[maybe this neeeds a thread, maybe not]

O'Hanlon, Helu, Caputo, Martinez, Abdullah, Spencer Long, Mark Pelini, and probly a couple others I've forgotten. All those guys did considerably better than expected when we recruited them. Or at least, better than the *fans* thought they would. (I'd mention Crick but we had pretty high expectations for him, I think.)

Yea, good list. I'd say O'Hanlon, Helu, Martinez, Spencer Long for sure. Caputo and Mark Pelini we will have to disagree. Lavonte David definitely improved as an overall football player.

Abdullah was a stud. Nobody was going to stop that guy. He would've won the Heisman if he'd gone to Georgia, Alabama, or even Auburn who also runs the zone read, but is truly committed to thier offensive line.

Gregory mentioned above is one I'd have to outright disagree. I think quite the opposite actually. Gregory would've probably benefitted light years had he gone somewhere that played a different style of defense up front.

Eric Hagg and Dejon Gomes fit very well at times too. I'd say they belong on the list of improved players.