Running Back Position = the Monster Mash?

ok everyone relax......after watching the film of the LAT game and after watching

the game/film of the Nichols State game, cally will decide who will get the majority of touches in the USC game....simple as that, unless someone is injuried, whoever plays the most in the USC game will tell you alot........until then, i think the jury is still out as to how and how much everyone will see the field......

i also think we open up the USC game throwing the ball......then if we can complete a few and loosen them up, back to the run....guessing that game will be 65% passing and 35% running...

hunter

 
AR Husker Fan,I fail to see your point. I guess we can agree to disagree.

I don't think they should go to a 2-back system for the Nich. State game, I think they should keep it 4 backs because Nich. State is such a lightweight that they can all benefit from the experience and the team will still come out with a nice win. You mention injury and that certainly is a risk - but that's why they all rotated in fall camp and why they are rotating here at the beginning of the season. Game experience and live reps give them the foundation to build from that they can tap throughout the year if needed.
Which doesn’t do much good if, through the rest of the schedule, you don’t give them reps and then suddenly call on them to carry the ball in a pressure situation. Reps in practice are fine, but it can’t begin to simulate the speed or power of the game.

You also mention that when there are 2 backs used that the coaches tend to call plays that utilize their strengths. I CERTAINLY HOPE SO! It would be a shame to call plays that only utilize their weaknesses. Kinda hard to win those games!! Also, when you are rotating 4 backs, I would like to think that the coaches are still trying to put players in the right positions to utilize their strengths. This really just points to my overall underlying feeling and that is that I don't think that all 4 running backs are equal. The stats don't reveal that, the fumble totals don't reveal that. The number of broken tackles don't reveal that.
Actually, what I said is that if you are using two backs, the coaches tend to concentrate on the plays that those backs run best rather than running the play that they think has the best chance for success. That is, rather than going with the best play and then sticking in the player that runs it best, you limit yourself. With four backs, all of whom have their strengths, you can pick based on play and not on player, rather than the other way around. It’s a way to utilize all of the playbook rather than some of it.

An example – when Herian was out, almost no plays were called for the tight end. Given the players we had at that position, we had to run plays based on their strengths – which didn’t include, apparently, the ability to get open or catch the pass. Rather than calling a play that wen to the tight end, we had to use them only as blockers - meaning that we lost part of the playbook. We now have more options, which allow us to call plays that utilize the tight end. In other words, the coaches don’t have to limit the playbook; they can call any play, and then stick in the best player that has the best chance of making the play work.

I just hope it doesn't take a heartbreaking loss to realize that the coaches should focus on more than keeping everyone happy with a 4-man rotation. Would hate to see another goal line series of plays that end in a fumble that cost us the game and then someone states the obvious, "Well, the coaches should have used our short yardage specialist there instead of trying to ensure that someone got a certain number of carries during a game."
I hope we don’t have a heartbreaking loss because we limit the carries to two backs, and both get injured at critical points. Suddenly, we have to stick in a back that hasn’t gotten any game reps in five games. He can’t take the handoff cleanly, he doesn’t tuck it away, he doesn’t adjust to the blocking, he fumbles, he fails to pick up the blitz, he doesn’t run the correct route out of the backfield as the hot receiver – a million things can go wrong, all because that back didn’t get the game reps to keep him sharp.

I understand you want to see Glenn get more reps - more power to him; I think he's a helluva back. But I'm more concerned with what's best for the team. And long term, having all four is better than having just two.

 
I think Hunter makes a good point. The USC game will tell a lot about where things stand with the backs. We should have some fun on here chatting and debating different angles after that game!

AR will never be convinced that his perfect 4-man rotation isn't the best thing since sliced bread until we play an actual worthy opponent. LaTech and Nich. State aren't what I would call good measuring sticks. So for now, the fumbles and turning the ball over on goal line situations will just be overlooked in the name of team solidarity! Heck, get the guy right back out there again so he can continue to be a valuable contributor to the vaunted 4-man rotation! Oops, he fumbled AGAIN. No problem, we recovered this one. Wheewwww. Ok, good let's just act like that didn't happen for the second time this game.

So, for the time being, we'll sit back and smile and watch the 4-man rotation and preach happiness and equality for all. That isn't Pete Carroll smiling off in the distance, is it......................

 
cally is no dummy either......beginning with the USC game we will begin to witness the seperation and 2 guys taking 80% of the snaps....right now i would have to guess that Lucky and Glenn will be those guys......THAT DOES NOT MEAN that any of the others won't have a big impact when they get to touch the ball AND IT DOES NOT mean they can't play/practice their way into the 80% club either...just my opinion for what it is worth.......'enuf said.....time to sit back and watch......

hunter

 
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AR will never be convinced that his perfect 4-man rotation isn't the best thing since sliced bread until we play an actual worthy opponent. LaTech and Nich. State aren't what I would call good measuring sticks. So for now, the fumbles and turning the ball over on goal line situations will just be overlooked in the name of team solidarity! Heck, get the guy right back out there again so he can continue to be a valuable contributor to the vaunted 4-man rotation! Oops, he fumbled AGAIN. No problem, we recovered this one. Wheewwww. Ok, good let's just act like that didn't happen for the second time this game.

So, for the time being, we'll sit back and smile and watch the 4-man rotation and preach happiness and equality for all. That isn't Pete Carroll smiling off in the distance, is it......................
Touched a nerve, did I?

 
Did you see the run by BJax?
:steam NO and I didn't see a replay of it either. I was using the can at the time and missed it. I guess I will have to wait til the BC show to see it. UNLESS someone has it and puts it on YouTube ;) :woo

You know, i think it will be a play the hot hand situation, but it seemed to work to get a couple backs around 10-15 carries and then get the other guys in to have fresh legs, I would be more scared of a 4-headed monster than a 2-headed monster
Hey Alex, this is the link for that play, it's the play when Larry the Cable guy was talking. Link

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P.S. To anyone that thinks that BC is putting in all four backs for "peace and solidarity," lay off the peace pipe. BC knows what he is doing, he wouldn't be getting all the backs carries if he didn't think it was what was best for the team.

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Jackson blocked better than anyone out there that day, and had the highest per average carry. If anyone was gonna be out there as part of a two back rotation at this point, it would Lucky and Jackson, with Glenn used as a situational short yardage back. They provide more versatility. I suggest that if you want Glenn to see the field a whole ton cody, you better hope they stick with at least a three back rotation.

 
As the season progresses these backs will begin to seperate themselves. If it aint broke dont fix it.

Keep as much of the offense hidden from USC's eyes as we can until game day.

Yes LA Tech and N ST are not top teams.

Callahan has said a number of times that each of the pack have play packages that they excel in and they will be called on to execute those plays.

Remeber Jordan say "If you can't block and cant hold onto the ball, you are not going to play"

Kenny fumbling 2 times next week and he doesnt see the field against USC

 
Stuck, 36 yards versus 88 yards of production and you vault Jackson to # 2. That is an interesting perspective! I'm not even going to bother tackling that one. I think it speaks for itself.

Let's revisit this whole 2-headed vs. 4-headed monster in two to three weeks. We can't make a full judgment at this point in time.

In the meantime, I'll continue to think that Lucky and Glenn should be getting the majority of the workload.

 
I tend to think having 4 different RB's each with their own speciality (Glenn-a heavy hitter who isn't afraid to run up the middle, Lucky-who can juke and jive and make defenders miss, Wilson-with break neck speed [i saw his speed on that negated TD run] and BJax-with his ability to pick up the blocks) forces the opposing defense to stay on their toes. The opposing players have to know which running back is in the game then try to determine how best to stop the run if the play is called. Case in point. Take AD. I watched the UAB/OU game and UAB did a pretty good job of keeping him in check all game. It's hard to do that with 2 or 3 or even 4 RB's. And as "The Kid" eluded to, the freshness in their legs all game long was a huge bonus.

I do agree though, eventually there will be a two-back system. Which two backs they are is yet to be seen. It's still too early to tell IMO.

 
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AR will never be convinced that his perfect 4-man rotation isn't the best thing since sliced bread until we play an actual worthy opponent.  LaTech and Nich. State aren't what I would call good measuring sticks.  So for now, the fumbles and turning the ball over on goal line situations will just be overlooked in the name of team solidarity!  Heck, get the guy right back out there again so he can continue to be a valuable contributor to the vaunted 4-man rotation!  Oops, he fumbled AGAIN.  No problem, we recovered this one.  Wheewwww.  Ok, good let's just act like that didn't happen for the second time this game.

So, for the time being, we'll sit back and smile and watch the 4-man rotation and preach happiness and equality for all.  That isn't Pete Carroll smiling off in the distance, is it......................
Touched a nerve, did I?
man, aren't you gonna feel bad if that turns out to be the real cody glenn!

 
Nice point Okieland. You summarized what took me what 5 posts to get out.

I guess I'm not unique anymore - I'm not the only one that thinks we're heading to a 2-man rotation at running back.

We do need to give this more time though to work itself out.

 
This Saturday we will see four backs again. Against USC, we will see three. Jackson is the best blocker so he will get his playing time along with Lucky and Glenn. Wilson is a little green and may not be ready for a game such as USC until mid-season.

 
I think everybody is jumping on the Lucky/Gleen train because the had the better numbers. They all played one game so far and we are judging them on their performance against La Tech :hmmm I dont think we can have a serious discussion about this until there is at least three games played to find consistency among them. Wilson could come out and have 150 yards next week and not fumble again the rest of the season. Lucky could have a couple fumbles or Glenn may miss a couple blocks that end up in sacks.

I think they should all get a equal looks again this week before we start placing them in our "Fantasy Depth Chart".

 
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