Russell Wilson pursued by Nebraska

[knapplc]

To some its not clear Taylor is gonna be a multi year starter. Thats why this debate is going on, we all have different opinions and sometimes we like to share whats on our mind.

So if Wilson does come here and Taylors ankle falls off, Carnes' arm falls off, and Cody Green gets in a hunting accident. I think Wilson would be nice insurance policy to have.

I dont think he will come here, but its nice to talk about.

I'm not saying we can't talk, because that's what the site is for. I'm just saying Bo's mind is made up for this year for sure, which is why he started T-Mart last year.

 

[junior4949]

If Bo is actively pursuing this kid, then we all should be a bit nervous. By actively pursuing him, it means Bo has all but given up on Martinez; Cody Green; and Carnes just isn't ready to assume the starting duties anytime soon.

 

[Roark]

I don't get this debate. It should have been eminently clear to everyone that Taylor Martinez was going to be a multi-year starter no matter what when he took the first snap against W. Kentucky. Unless his leg completely falls off, he's the guy, and we're not bringing anyone else in.

This ship sailed a year ago. Doesn't matter how good Wilson is.

If this is indeed true, then the university needs to be seriously evaluating Bo's ability to successfully coach a football team instead of giving him raises.

 

[The Dude]

Cam Newtons don't come in packs like fig newtons.

Hehe

 

[knapplc]

I don't get this debate. It should have been eminently clear to everyone that Taylor Martinez was going to be a multi-year starter no matter what when he took the first snap against W. Kentucky. Unless his leg completely falls off, he's the guy, and we're not bringing anyone else in.

This ship sailed a year ago. Doesn't matter how good Wilson is.

If this is indeed true, then the university needs to be seriously evaluating Bo's ability to successfully coach a football team instead of giving him raises.

It is true, and it's OK because Bo knows talent. And if he doesn't, we'll fire him. Isn't that what you do just after you give a guy a raise?

 

[Saunders]

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

He comes in for one year and lets say takes a job from Taylor or someone else. Taylor might transfer, and we dont need to lose his skill. We have plenty of depth, and Russell only creates more questions.

I understand at first glance it seems like a good idea to add a guy with his level of talent, but it would take him a while to learn the playbook and if he comes here he will expect to start.. that really messes with the progression of Carnes and Martinez.

I know the counter argument will be : If he gives this team the best chance at winning, it is worth it.

I will argue that he hurts this team more in the long run than he helps them in the short run.

Zero interest in Russell.

I would be totally okay with risking a Taylor Martinez transfer for one year of Russell Wilson.

Not only is it a dice roll to bring in a wildcard for one year and hope he does something, but you are also mortgaging the teams future by removing a year of experience for your otherwise would be starter. Russell could maybe win us 1 more game is a pretty tough year, but that could also cost us dearly down the road.

I'm not a fan of 1 year guys.

I don't think it's any more of a gamble than expecting quantum leap improvement from a chronically injured quarterback who has played miserably as of late. If Martinez hasn't improved, then I would hope that the coaches "remove a year of experience" from him- I don't think anyone wants him to gain experience at the expense of losing games.. Adding Wilson to the roster could add some stability to a team that will undoubtedly still be working the kinks out of new coaches and a new playbook.

I never named martinez. I said "starter." Whether it's Carnes, Martinez, or Green, bringing in an above average QB is not worth it. One of those three will be starting for the next 2 years or more. Bringing in another short term wildcard is a bad idea. It's also much more likely that a guy like Wilson comes in and splits the team (like Keller) because many feel he is handed the job.

 

[Saunders]

I don't get this debate. It should have been eminently clear to everyone that Taylor Martinez was going to be a multi-year starter no matter what when he took the first snap against W. Kentucky. Unless his leg completely falls off, he's the guy, and we're not bringing anyone else in.

This ship sailed a year ago. Doesn't matter how good Wilson is.

If this is indeed true, then the university needs to be seriously evaluating Bo's ability to successfully coach a football team instead of giving him raises.

Haha... really? Wow.

 

[Roark]

I don't get this debate. It should have been eminently clear to everyone that Taylor Martinez was going to be a multi-year starter no matter what when he took the first snap against W. Kentucky. Unless his leg completely falls off, he's the guy, and we're not bringing anyone else in.

This ship sailed a year ago. Doesn't matter how good Wilson is.

If this is indeed true, then the university needs to be seriously evaluating Bo's ability to successfully coach a football team instead of giving him raises.

Haha... really? Wow.

Haha... Yes, really. Coaches that dismiss opportunities to put the best players on the field should be critically evaluated. Wow!

 

[Saunders]

I don't get this debate. It should have been eminently clear to everyone that Taylor Martinez was going to be a multi-year starter no matter what when he took the first snap against W. Kentucky. Unless his leg completely falls off, he's the guy, and we're not bringing anyone else in.

This ship sailed a year ago. Doesn't matter how good Wilson is.

If this is indeed true, then the university needs to be seriously evaluating Bo's ability to successfully coach a football team instead of giving him raises.

Haha... really? Wow.

Haha... Yes, really. Coaches that dismiss opportunities to put the best players on the field should be critically evaluated. Wow!

Best player based on your opinion?

It's plainly obvious that Bo has done a pretty damn good job of getting the best talent on the field even if that means benching a starter. I'm amazed at how many people think he has some sort of blind loyalty to certain players. It's fact, no opinion, that Bo plays the best guys, period.

 

[husker B-rent]

not no but tahell NO!

there is not a reason to take a full season of playing time from a player that needs more in game experience. this would be almost as stupid as taking sam keller and playing him over joe ganz. im glad some of you arent running the team because if you were we would have different players at every position every season and never get any continuity. continuity makes a team good, not a "one year stand qb that played in a poor conference".

So you're saying that players like Cam Newton can't just transfer in for a year and make a difference?

if cam newton wants to transfer in from the NFL then please by all means!!!!

just because he was a transfer doesnt mean that every transfer is cameron newton...

So transfer quarterbacks can't make a difference unless they're Cam Newton... or Ryan Mallett or Nick Foles or GJ Kinne. Or the vast number of successful transfer quarterbacks from years past.

Apparently they cant according to some. Nobody is arguing that Wilson is Cam Newton, people are just noting the success Cam had at Auburn last year. If Wilson is better than what we got right now, than I have no problem bringing him in. In college football its a must win NOW for programs like Nebraska. If a transfer can come in and win the job from a previous year starter, than thats on the player for not improving his game enough to hold down the job.

Wilson wasnt the bigtime recruit that Newton was orginally. Keller/Ganz were polar opposites when comparing recruiting classes. Keller was a stud alot of people wanted, Ganz was nobody wanted besides Nebraska.

i dont think that anyone has said that a transfer cant be successful. what people are saying is, "why would you want to possibly hurt team chemistry by bringing this guy in when we clearly have 1 or more very capable qbs already in the system that know the system and dont have to learn a playbook in 4 months?" I have personally played college ball for a short time in the past and i can tell you that learning a playbook in a short amount of time is no easy task no matter how smart said player is. the playbook that i had to learn was exactly 206 pages long and full of terms that i had never heard before that.

now i know that some of you have issues with martinez as the starter but i would think that it would be painfully obvious that the person that matters (Bo Pelini) knows that Martinez can and will do the job as the starter. discussion is one thing but having a grudge against a particular player because you dont like the way he stands on the sidelines or talks to freakin steven sipple is a completely different thing.

at the end of the day bo will watch practice and decide on a qb and from what i know, that guy is martinez.

 

[knapplc]

Dear God,

Please don't let this turn into another Taylor Martinez debate thread. I don't think I could take it again.

Sincerely,

Cody Green

 

[Hujan]

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

He comes in for one year and lets say takes a job from Taylor or someone else. Taylor might transfer, and we dont need to lose his skill. We have plenty of depth, and Russell only creates more questions.

I understand at first glance it seems like a good idea to add a guy with his level of talent, but it would take him a while to learn the playbook and if he comes here he will expect to start.. that really messes with the progression of Carnes and Martinez.

I know the counter argument will be : If he gives this team the best chance at winning, it is worth it.

I will argue that he hurts this team more in the long run than he helps them in the short run.

Zero interest in Russell.

I would be totally okay with risking a Taylor Martinez transfer for one year of Russell Wilson.

Not only is it a dice roll to bring in a wildcard for one year and hope he does something, but you are also mortgaging the teams future by removing a year of experience for your otherwise would be starter. Russell could maybe win us 1 more game is a pretty tough year, but that could also cost us dearly down the road.

I'm not a fan of 1 year guys.

I don't think it's any more of a gamble than expecting quantum leap improvement from a chronically injured quarterback who has played miserably as of late. If Martinez hasn't improved, then I would hope that the coaches "remove a year of experience" from him- I don't think anyone wants him to gain experience at the expense of losing games.. Adding Wilson to the roster could add some stability to a team that will undoubtedly still be working the kinks out of new coaches and a new playbook.

I never named martinez. I said "starter." Whether it's Carnes, Martinez, or Green, bringing in an above average QB is not worth it. One of those three will be starting for the next 2 years or more. Bringing in another short term wildcard is a bad idea. It's also much more likely that a guy like Wilson comes in and splits the team (like Keller) because many feel he is handed the job.

What about this scenario:

Bo and Beck are disappointed with Martinez's progress and/or health and are highly concerned about him playing QB at Nebraska.

They (Bo and Beck) like what Carnes has to offer, but still believe that he would benefit from a year of learning the offense as a backup rather than the starter.

Cody Green is about as useful as a hammer with no handle, and can only be counted on for spot duty here or there.

What to do?

Bring in a kid who is mature and can step in a la Cam Newton for one year. He will not impede Carnes' ultimate ascension to the throne, but avoids the drawbacks of pushing Carnes out there a bit too early.

Russell Wilson comes in and leads the team to a BIG title in 2011, Carnes steps in and helps the team contend for an MNC in 2012.

Not saying that is what Bo and Beck are thinking, or what will happen, but if for whatever reason they've decided Martinez isn't cut out for it, then you can begin to see the value in having a proven commodity like Russell Wilson come in and gap fill for a year.

 

[knapplc]

What about this scenario:
Bo and Beck are disappointed with Martinez's progress and/or health and are highly concerned about him playing QB at Nebraska.

They (Bo and Beck) like what Carnes has to offer, but still believe that he would benefit from a year of learning the offense as a backup rather than the starter.

Cody Green is about as useful as a hammer with no handle, and can only be counted on for spot duty here or there.

What to do?

Bring in a kid who is mature and can step in a la Cam Newton for one year. He will not impede Carnes' ultimate ascension to the throne, but avoids the drawbacks of pushing Carnes out there a bit too early.

Russell Wilson comes in and leads the team to a BIG title in 2011, Carnes steps in and helps the team contend for an MNC in 2012.

Not saying that is what Bo and Beck are thinking, or what will happen, but if for whatever reason they've decided Martinez isn't cut out for it, then you can begin to see the value in having a proven commodity like Russell Wilson come in and gap fill for a year.

That is a lucid and wholly believable scenario. I doubt it happens, but it's possible. +1 for good measure.

 

[Roark]

I don't get this debate. It should have been eminently clear to everyone that Taylor Martinez was going to be a multi-year starter no matter what when he took the first snap against W. Kentucky. Unless his leg completely falls off, he's the guy, and we're not bringing anyone else in.

This ship sailed a year ago. Doesn't matter how good Wilson is.

If this is indeed true, then the university needs to be seriously evaluating Bo's ability to successfully coach a football team instead of giving him raises.

Haha... really? Wow.

Haha... Yes, really. Coaches that dismiss opportunities to put the best players on the field should be critically evaluated. Wow!

Best player based on your opinion?

It's plainly obvious that Bo has done a pretty damn good job of getting talent on the field even if that means benching a starter. I'm amazed at how many people think he has some sort of blind loyalty to certain players.

...So do you agree with me that IFhe did have an unreasonable preferential bias, or "blind-loyalty" to a certain player that he, as a head-coach, should be critically evaluated? Because that's what I just said...

And to address what you said earlier... If something like a transfer quarterback is able to divide the team (especially given the circumstances), then I would have to seriously question these young men and their drive to win football games.

 

[Saunders]

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

He comes in for one year and lets say takes a job from Taylor or someone else. Taylor might transfer, and we dont need to lose his skill. We have plenty of depth, and Russell only creates more questions.

I understand at first glance it seems like a good idea to add a guy with his level of talent, but it would take him a while to learn the playbook and if he comes here he will expect to start.. that really messes with the progression of Carnes and Martinez.

I know the counter argument will be : If he gives this team the best chance at winning, it is worth it.

I will argue that he hurts this team more in the long run than he helps them in the short run.

Zero interest in Russell.

I would be totally okay with risking a Taylor Martinez transfer for one year of Russell Wilson.

Not only is it a dice roll to bring in a wildcard for one year and hope he does something, but you are also mortgaging the teams future by removing a year of experience for your otherwise would be starter. Russell could maybe win us 1 more game is a pretty tough year, but that could also cost us dearly down the road.

I'm not a fan of 1 year guys.

I don't think it's any more of a gamble than expecting quantum leap improvement from a chronically injured quarterback who has played miserably as of late. If Martinez hasn't improved, then I would hope that the coaches "remove a year of experience" from him- I don't think anyone wants him to gain experience at the expense of losing games.. Adding Wilson to the roster could add some stability to a team that will undoubtedly still be working the kinks out of new coaches and a new playbook.

I never named martinez. I said "starter." Whether it's Carnes, Martinez, or Green, bringing in an above average QB is not worth it. One of those three will be starting for the next 2 years or more. Bringing in another short term wildcard is a bad idea. It's also much more likely that a guy like Wilson comes in and splits the team (like Keller) because many feel he is handed the job.

What about this scenario:

Bo and Beck are disappointed with Martinez's progress and/or health and are highly concerned about him playing QB at Nebraska.

They (Bo and Beck) like what Carnes has to offer, but still believe that he would benefit from a year of learning the offense as a backup rather than the starter.

Cody Green is about as useful as a hammer with no handle, and can only be counted on for spot duty here or there.

What to do?

Bring in a kid who is mature and can step in a la Cam Newton for one year. He will not impede Carnes' ultimate ascension to the throne, but avoids the drawbacks of pushing Carnes out there a bit too early.

Russell Wilson comes in and leads the team to a BIG title in 2011, Carnes steps in and helps the team contend for an MNC in 2012.

Not saying that is what Bo and Beck are thinking, or what will happen, but if for whatever reason they've decided Martinez isn't cut out for it, then you can begin to see the value in having a proven commodity like Russell Wilson come in and gap fill for a year.

If we're talking what if's and ridiculous scenarios, why not have me come sling it around. It's just as likely as Wilson showing up and actually being successful and I'll even walk on. :facepalm:

Cam Newton is the exception, not the rule. He's the only 1 year player in the history of College Football to do what he did, and it took enormous breaks to accomplish those feats.