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Is anyone else sick of hearing about the sick comments made by Imus? Don't get me wrong, it was not right what he did, but it just seems like the media is blowing this way out of proportion. I remember just a few months ago when Michael Richards said even worse things in a night club while doing stand-up (using the "n" word and everyone else under the sun) and it was forgotten after a couple of days. What is the difference? Would it be this blown out if Jesse Jackson called some girls from a different university a bunch of Cracker hos?

Again, I am not saying Imus was right in his comments. He is a tool and has done stuff like this before. I just wanted to get some opinions.

 
I'm sick of it too, this world has gone way too PC for its own good. Then Al Sharpton has to pipe up and get involved. That guy is nothing but a tool, hypocritical, racist tool. Imus apologized, he made a mistake, owned up to it and apologized, get over it.

BTW have you seen the pics of some of the Rutgers players?

 
I think that there are three points that are being overlooked by the media - probably because no one wants to be tarred-and-feathered in a "guilt by association" thing:

1. Imus is one of the few national pundits to state - repeatedly and forcefully - that the lack of attention to the people of New Orleans was racial. Why is this not being brought up?

2. How many of the media are applying the same standard to rap music? Why no outcry for banning those songs that are racial and sexist - other than the fact that it would about wipe out rap entirely? If the use of those terms are racial and sexist, it doesn't matter whether they are uttered by an elderly white male or a 20-something "gansta" rapper - they are racial and sexist or they aren't. What are the odds that many members of the Rutgers women's basketball team listen to such "music" - and in doing so tacitly support that kind of attitude?

3. The countless charitable contributions by Imus - all of which are "color blind"? He's one of the first that pointed out the deplorable treatment by this country of permanently wounded soldiers. He has his "Cattle Ranch for Kids with Cancer" - and it accepts any race. He supprts any number of such causes.

This is simply mass hypocricy - everyone wanting to prove that they aren't racist by condeming what is ultimately a minor infraction.

I have to agree with Imus - he's basically a good person that said a bad thing. He's apologized - profusely and repeatedly. Let it die.

 
I think that there are three points that are being overlooked by the media - probably because no one wants to be tarred-and-feathered in a "guilt by association" thing:

1. Imus is one of the few national pundits to state - repeatedly and forcefully - that the lack of attention to the people of New Orleans was racial. Why is this not being brought up?

2. How many of the media are applying the same standard to rap music? Why no outcry for banning those songs that are racial and sexist - other than the fact that it would about wipe out rap entirely? If the use of those terms are racial and sexist, it doesn't matter whether they are uttered by an elderly white male or a 20-something "gansta" rapper - they are racial and sexist or they aren't. What are the odds that many members of the Rutgers women's basketball team listen to such "music" - and in doing so tacitly support that kind of attitude?

3. The countless charitable contributions by Imus - all of which are "color blind"? He's one of the first that pointed out the deplorable treatment by this country of permanently wounded soldiers. He has his "Cattle Ranch for Kids with Cancer" - and it accepts any race. He supprts any number of such causes.

This is simply mass hypocricy - everyone wanting to prove that they aren't racist by condeming what is ultimately a minor infraction.

I have to agree with Imus - he's basically a good person that said a bad thing. He's apologized - profusely and repeatedly. Let it die.
Well said AR!!!

 
Here's a pretty good take on it by Jason Whitlock in the KC Star:

COMMENTARY

Imus isn’t the real bad guy

Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.

By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

 
Here's a pretty good take on it by Jason Whitlock in the KC Star:

COMMENTARY

Imus isn’t the real bad guy

Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.

By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

Oh man, did he hit it right on the dot! Especially about the part about wanting to be a victim.

 
WOW!!!!!!!!! Jason Whitlock in the KC Star really nailed it. I could not agree more. I have always thought that Al Sharptnon had his own agenda and it was certainly not about equality or black rights.

 
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I agree with all the posters in this forum topic. What's so amazing to me is that Imus has lost sponsers and affiliates for his comments....they're so reactionary....no one seems to have the balls to stand up to this nonsense. I'm not advocating for what Imus said, but this has totally gone awry. Now the Rutgers players are going on the talk show circuit to continue the "victimization" parade. Man, I have been called a lot worse in my life.

 
These networks need to grow a pair. SO he said something that offended someone. Big deal. If it was a black person making comments like that about white people, it wouldnt even make a news story.

 
What a sad end to it all. MSNBC permanently suspended the Imus show a few days ago. Now, CBS Radio has fired Imus. I hope he gets another shot - I'm betting satellite radio will take a stab at him.

Just sad...

 
In some ways, the Duke Lacrosse thread and this thread are similar because, at the heart of both of these events, is the fact that there is a rush to label people as "racist". It's similar to McCarthyism or the Spanish Inquisition- except rather than be accused as a communist or devil worshipper, people are being lynched in public by the accusation of being a "racist". Sharpton appears to spend his entire time trying to point his finger at the next publicly-known white person that makes a stupid statement so that he can display that person in front of the media and the arena of "public opinion" as being a racist. Most of the statements he unearths aren't even blantantly racist but rather submersive in content or implied in tone. The Duke Lacrosse case smacks of the same self-righteousness. Do you remember that Jesse Jackson had offered the alleged victim a four-year scholarship to a university towards her education. Jackson's offer, in itself, presupposes the woman is telling the truth about the alleged rape and that the members of Duke's lacrosse team were guilty. Well, we found out that the opposite is now probably true. I wonder if Sharpton and Jackson, if they read this entry, would label me a racist, too.

 
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