JTrain
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Seems like you might just be allergic to change. How does he not have the resume to be a WR coach? He is a WR coach. And at a top two team with a top two offense to boot.
Scott Frost for OC!!!
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suh_fan93
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Absolutely. It's not just Shawn Watson who needs to be held accountable here. Totally agree. Having said that I definitely feel that Gilmore needs to be mentioned also. It's all 3 of them.
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JTrain
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How dare a former player (and pretty good one at that) be "sniffing around" the football offices. I hope he was escorted out immediately.
As everyone knows, Bo wanted to keep some of Callahan's offensive staff around when he was hired. He didn't know those guys intricately and couldn't have known for sure how it would work out. Obviously Watson and Gilmore have not worked out too well by most measurements. Since Pelini isn't perfect (shocker I know), you think it's possible he didn't make the perfect hires? Or that maybe he even could have passed up a solid candidate? So Frost wasn't on his radar in 2008. He went on to get valuable coaching experience at a major program, and seems to be doing a pretty good job. Sounds like a familiar story.
It certainly seems Frost is committed to coaching and isn't just one of those guys that tries coaching because they're bored and miss being on the field. He's now coached for four years (two at a major FBS power) and I see no reason why he shouldn't be given a shot here (not at OC, but as a WR coach). Or is the consensus that Gilmore is doing an excellent job in all areas?
bleedNUred
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Agreed, we should hire Frost to replace Gilmore and let him work his way up from there.
EZ-E
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To the OP - Frost has two years of coaching an offensive position experience in his entire coaching tenure. I don't care that it is at Oregon, there is a very particular method behind Chip Kelley's (spelling?) madness and it takes a special mind to run the type of offense that they do. So poaching a coach off of that Oregon staff would do no good unless we got Chip Kelley.
zoogs
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Allergic to change? I would gladly see Gilmore leave and get a new WRs coach. We can have that happen three years ago and it wouldn't have been soon enough.
So you look around and think, who would you bring in as a WRs coach? Personally I have no idea. But I have heard what others to whom I'd defer to for knowledge in this dept, think about Frost's resume as a positions coach. And it's not glowing. And you have the straight up evidence that Frost wanted to coach here in some capacity, but Pelini went in a different direction.
Why do you suppose he is the best option among all the potential candidates in the profession? Because he was a good player here. That's it.
Chip Kelly is a terrific mind and has put together one of the best offenses in the country, but it doesn't mean all his position coaches are stud coaching prospects that would be a boon to any program that could get them to make a lateral move. Bo has one of the best defenses in the nation, but Mike Ekeler isn't the hottest LBs coach name around and nobody is saying "Damn, I wish he can come DC or coach LBs for us." Except maybe Kansas State fans, I don't know. If they are saying that, and it happens, are they going to get a rising young star in the profession? Is it going to be a loss for us? I suspect not.
Again each case is different and I don't know the particulars on Frost. But from everything I have heard, it doesn't sound like he's ready. I think we should make a change, and we should bring in a well respected coach in the profession who is willing and able to do a better job than Gilmore, instead of looking around for the most closely available former Husker player in the coaching ranks that we could probably get on the cheap and who would probably stay here for a long time.
I guess this is a long winded answer to "Why not Frost" - but don't get me wrong, I like the guy a lot and rooted for him his entire time as a player here.
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Enhance
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I don't think Frost would come here as a WR coach to begin with, anyways. He's a WR coach at a title contending football team, something Nebraska is not. Nebraska has better facilities, more revenue, better tradition, etc., but as far as coaching opportunities go he is in a pretty good position right now.
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blackshirts5115
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Sorry I didn't read any further down the thread than this post but what is the big problem with Cotton? I have NEVER been a Barney Cotton supporter, but this year I think he proved his worth. Our line was fine. Was it dominant in every game? No, but it was pretty consistent. They played well against Oklahoma. Any sack we had was honestly Taylor's fault for not finding the open receivers, not scrambling successfully, and not throwing the ball away. I still am keeping my eye on Cotton to see how he does next year, but there is no way he needs to be replaced more than Watson.
Minor thing, but Oregon has facilities now that would rival Nebraska's, and probably revenue too. They sell out every game, the fans eat the merchandise up, and it doesn't hurt that Phil Knight (owner of Nike) has basically made the UO athletic department his baby. I don't think we could get Frost to coach WRs, but if it was a promotion, even WR coach and assistant OC, he might take that... Don't know though..
chamrocck
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I agree with this. Frost is not ready to be OC but he certainly could help our WR's. Also help the QB's as well. Young up and coming coach is good with the kids and recruits. Hero at NU. Has learned under great other coaches. Need a guy to go out and get top WR talent and he has coached that at Oregon. If anything, he would bring a whole new excitement to our WR corp and get WR's into NU.
This makes too much sense to bring him on staff. Maybe Gilmore can go into an admin. role or something.
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houseofspears
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Actually, i didn't. Note the part where i said that's pelini's career at the point he first became a defensive coordinator at nebraska.
Which is the point of comparing his career to frost's career now, given that we are debating whether or not frost has enough experience to be a coordinator..
zoogs
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I agree, throw out the DC years to compare them side by side, Pelini before 2003 and Scott before 2011. By the same timeline, Frost would have 2-3 years to go before getting his coordinator shot. That's by the same timeline, of course: Bo was a rising star through the rankings, and came on high recommendation (I forget who - was it Kiffin?). The same really cannot be said for Frost.
I don't know how you can look at the two situations as remotely comparable houseofspears. First of all, it's misleading. Scott was a graduate assistant at Nebraska in 2002, but that's it. Same with Bo (not grad assistant in 1992 according to wiki), but the difference is three years later Bo is rising through the ranks in the 49ers organization, and three years later Scott still has just one year of GA under his belt and is not coaching. Frost has coached for six years now including this one. Six years! He's had four years as a positions coach and two of those were LBs coach with UNI. Maybe someone can comment on his "co-DC" status that knows more about the situation. But we are talking about him for OC, mind.
Scott has exactly two years as a positions coach at the FBS level and those same two years are the only ones where he has coached anything on the offensive side of the ball. So let's hold the horses before we automatically consider him a chip off the Chip Kelly block. (Oh, come on, that was funny...
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Look at Bo's career. Eight years as positions coach in the NFL. Worked with some top minds and he really was soaking up their knowledge, and came highly recommended as a bright prospect in the profession. The same could be true of Frost, eventually, but I don't think it is now, and looking at resumes won't change any of that. When he comes highly recommended, then it would be something to talk about.
As it stands, Scott has six years of ground at the very least to cover, so even looking at the resume it is not even remotely comparable. But as I said, more important than that are recomendations and those who know more about the guy's specific abilities as a coach. And I know nothing about that. If Scott is a rising star, I am sure he will find his place. If he really is a rising star, I am sure we would get him, too, given his apparent willingness. We have a former player coaching here who are not even rising stars or have much potential in the profession, so I think one that is a stud would get snatched up quickly.
Frankly it's very unclear the path Frost's career is going to take right now, IMO. In ten years, he could be a DC somewhere, or maybe he's a head coaching candidate here, I don't know. Or maybe he is still coaching some position on offense or defense at some school.
I don't know how you can look at the two situations as remotely comparable houseofspears. First of all, it's misleading. Scott was a graduate assistant at Nebraska in 2002, but that's it. Same with Bo (not grad assistant in 1992 according to wiki), but the difference is three years later Bo is rising through the ranks in the 49ers organization, and three years later Scott still has just one year of GA under his belt and is not coaching. Frost has coached for six years now including this one. Six years! He's had four years as a positions coach and two of those were LBs coach with UNI. Maybe someone can comment on his "co-DC" status that knows more about the situation. But we are talking about him for OC, mind.
Scott has exactly two years as a positions coach at the FBS level and those same two years are the only ones where he has coached anything on the offensive side of the ball. So let's hold the horses before we automatically consider him a chip off the Chip Kelly block. (Oh, come on, that was funny...
)Look at Bo's career. Eight years as positions coach in the NFL. Worked with some top minds and he really was soaking up their knowledge, and came highly recommended as a bright prospect in the profession. The same could be true of Frost, eventually, but I don't think it is now, and looking at resumes won't change any of that. When he comes highly recommended, then it would be something to talk about.
As it stands, Scott has six years of ground at the very least to cover, so even looking at the resume it is not even remotely comparable. But as I said, more important than that are recomendations and those who know more about the guy's specific abilities as a coach. And I know nothing about that. If Scott is a rising star, I am sure he will find his place. If he really is a rising star, I am sure we would get him, too, given his apparent willingness. We have a former player coaching here who are not even rising stars or have much potential in the profession, so I think one that is a stud would get snatched up quickly.
Frankly it's very unclear the path Frost's career is going to take right now, IMO. In ten years, he could be a DC somewhere, or maybe he's a head coaching candidate here, I don't know. Or maybe he is still coaching some position on offense or defense at some school.
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Pedro Guerrero
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I’m just trying to figure out where I said anything about him needing to be escorted out of the Athletic Department. Just showing that he was around during the days that Pelini was putting his staff together yet he was hired. There were several videos on the news where you could clearly see Frost hanging out down in Lincoln during that time.
Thanks for the attempt at making my point out to be something it wasn’t. Gold star!
I could give a rip if Scott Frost ended up coaching at NU as a WR coach but until he shows something more then just being a former Cardinal/Husker he does not deserve to be the OC here.
Mike Grant is a former Husker that has been a College Football position coach, including WR, for many years why doesn’t anybody want him to coach here?