Screens are an endangered species in our playbook

[broganreynik]

Screens are overrated. So are draws. It's a different game. The combination of speed and evolved schemes of defenses just dont allow for these things to be consistently effective. Whenever our offense struggles, all we here is "more screens and draws derpa derpa". No. Case in point. Each team ran a screen today. Each one was nearly a pick 6? Why? Becuase defenses read them. When the oline is letting the entire dline go, they no somethings up. Gholston and Compton both hold up and nearly come up with turnovers. There's your screen pass.

You must not have seen what Bama did to beat LSU

Yes I saw it. It was already discussed. The two lineman didnt touch a soul. The success of that play was purely a result of a passive prevent D. It is a moot play to this discussion, in my opinion.

I don't know what play you were watching, but LSU had 7 guys on the line of scrimmage. Blitzing is not a "prevent". Also, the play was indeed a screen play. Just because it nullifies your argument, doesn't mean it's "moot play to this discussion". It just means you aren't willing to admit that a screen play against a blitz won a huge game, and therefore nullifies your entire argument.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Screens are overrated. So are draws. It's a different game. The combination of speed and evolved schemes of defenses just dont allow for these things to be consistently effective. Whenever our offense struggles, all we here is "more screens and draws derpa derpa". No. Case in point. Each team ran a screen today. Each one was nearly a pick 6? Why? Becuase defenses read them. When the oline is letting the entire dline go, they no somethings up. Gholston and Compton both hold up and nearly come up with turnovers. There's your screen pass.

You must not have seen what Bama did to beat LSU

Yes I saw it. It was already discussed. The two lineman didnt touch a soul. The success of that play was purely a result of a passive prevent D. It is a moot play to this discussion, in my opinion.

I don't know what play you were watching, but LSU had 7 guys on the line of scrimmage. Blitzing is not a "prevent". Also, the play was indeed a screen play. Just because it nullifies your argument, doesn't mean it's "moot play to this discussion". It just means you aren't willing to admit that a screen play against a blitz won a huge game, and therefore nullifies your entire argument.

I was wrong on the prevent d part. They had been in that the previous plays on the drive. It was not an all out blitz either. It was a zone blitz? Maybe I'm wrong there too. Regardless, the two lineman did not touch anyone, hence the play might as well have been a simple swing route on a check down. Therefore it is moot to this discussion.

 

[clyde40]

Just so everybody knows if you re-watch the game we ran a bubble screen to Kenny Bell on the second drive of the game and it lost 2 yards.

 

[RedRedJarvisRedwine]

The finesse pass involved in screen passes just aren't something Taylor looks comfortable with. His best most accurate passes are the ones he can throw on a rope. I think his deep ball has gotten worse also. A lot of QBs have trouble putting the ball where it needs to be on screen passes. You see passes turn RBs around or have to jump for the ball and then turn their eyes upfield before catching the ball.

 

[zoogs]

This is really quite simple, we simply are not as good at this type of play as we are others.

Many other posters hit the nail on the head here with their explanation. With the way we run the ball, most teams have several people in the box on non-obvious throwing downs. That, obviously, makes throwing a screen much harder to do as you are hoping for more room for the player to navigate through. A pass in the middle of the zone is a better option as the LB are sucked in and the corners/safeties are worried about the run. We almost always face 2 Deep Man Under because of our spread/run offense.

The pass to Reed at the end of the game on 4th down is a perfect example. MSU's players were so afraid of Martinez just scrambling for the 1st that the CB crept up way too far and their safeties were very deep to not get beat over the top. Dump it in this large void to Reed for 35+ yds, better than a screen.

Not to mention Martinez's low release point makes a screen pass very difficult for him to judge trajectory. He is just simply not very good at this type of throw. He is, however, good at throwing into the middle/mid-sideline of the field against a 2 Man or 2 Zone in the void.

You've put it better and made a more thorough point than I've ever been able to. +1.