Shatel Q&A

Eric the Red

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Q. I always hear everybody saying that the Husker football team needs to upgrade its talent to get on par with Texas and Ok­lahoma. Well, if Nebraska has had bad talent over the past years, how come it leads the Big 12 in NFL players drafted?

A. I don't think Nebraska has had bad talent. It's lacked championship talent. And, let's be honest, having several play­ers drafted by the NFL does not translate into championships. Sometimes players are drafted based on workout times and po­tential. Nebraska has not had NFL talent at its skill positions, especially at quarterback and receiver. That started to change last season at receiver with the addition of Maurice Purify, and it changes at quar­terback this season with Sam Keller. You only had to watch the Big 12 title game last year to see that NU's receivers were no match for OU's physical cor­ners. Now, let's also be clear that coaching is a factor, too. Nebraska's staff is not up to par with Texas' or OU's, not from what I've seen. Texas and OU also have more talent on the second and third lines, more depth. But the gap is closing.

 
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I think if you look at it just based on numbers, you have an argument, but look at 98 who came out(Wistrom and Peter in Round 1). What about 03? Trevor Johnson and Ryon Bingham. Yes, all 4 made NFL rosters, but 2 are 1st rounders, 2 are 6-7th rounders and role players. There was talent, but the talent wasn't as rich, and there wasn't as much depth. Especially at the skills positions, as Shatel eludes to. B-Jax was the first Husker RB to be drafted since Alexander was drafted in the 6th round in 01. How far back do you have to go to have a 6 year gap when a Husker rb wasn't even drafted? Not even in the late 80s did that happen.

 
In Callahan's first 3 years as head coach, 8 players from the recruiting classes of Frank Solich were drafted in the first 3 rounds. In Frank Solich's first 3 years as head coach, 5 players from TO's recruiting classes were drafted in the first 3 rounds. So now I must ask, who inherited more talent?

You can go on and on about late rounders from Solich's class, but how do you dispute the first 3 rounds? It's about time all fans recognize the fact that when Solich was hired we hired an extension of TO. TO was not a great recruiter. We hired someone to do the same things TO did. Apparently Husker Nation didn't like TO's way, so FS was fired. It's all new now, we'll see how BC's recruits fair in the draft from here on out.

If you strictly look at RB, I guess you have to ask the question about whether or not Phillips would have even been eligible to be recruited by Nebraska with Big 12 rules and regulations? He was recruited when we were in the Big 8 and still able to recruit prop. 48 athletes. With the Big 12 formation, they are no longer allowed. I don't remember if he was a prop. 48 or not. Also, Green would have come and played at NU regardless of who the coach was because he was an in state kid. Alexander wasn't drafted higher because of how he was built and his past injury bug problems. Buckhalter wasn't drafted higher because he was extremely lazy and showed little work ethic while at Nebraska.

How many QB's did TO get drafted?

 
You can go on and on about late rounders from Solich's class, but how do you dispute the first 3 rounds? It's about time all fans recognize the fact that when Solich was hired we hired an extension of TO. TO was not a great recruiter. We hired someone to do the same things TO did. Apparently Husker Nation didn't like TO's way, so FS was fired. It's all new now, we'll see how BC's recruits fair in the draft from here on out.
Where do you arrive at 8? Brandon Jackson was a Callahan recruit. Incognito never played a game for Callahan and was kicked off the team. Bradley was developed as a LB by the new coaching staff, which is where he was drafted. He was DE when Solich was coach. Ruud was drafted early after he dedicated himself to working out instead of drinking after the season was over and improved his stock. Fabian was a workout wonder who seldom showed much on game days.

You can attribute these to either (A.) Solich didn't develop talent as well or (B.) Solich couldn't recruit enough depth. Less Solich draftees went high, but yet, under a new coaching staff, these guys that were maybe not high level Solich recruits, are more developed and end up being. higher draft choices.

Chew on this, from the 95-98 recruiting classes, NU was rated in the top 12 for 3 of those 4 years. The 99-2002 drafts produced how many less high level draft picks? Solich inherited a wealth of talent and was not able to develop it as well as Callahan has done thus far.

 
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You know I used to have a 5 dollar bill. I spent it. I know the new won't work as well so I am going to b!^@h about it forever. Christ this crap gets old. If you hate our coach and staff, find some one else to like. We have this staff and all the whining and bitching isn't going to change it. Try something positive in your life, it just might make you smile.

 
you sure jackson was a callahan recruit? Osborne WAS a great recruiter. he got the BEST players to fit HIS system. some coaches get average players for a great system. or great players for a bad system, etc...TO got who he needed to average 10 wins over a 25 year career. any player like wistrom, ralph brown, will shields, eric warfield...they could go anywhere-why go to nebraska? cuz a great recruiter recruited them.

 
You can go on and on about late rounders from Solich's class, but how do you dispute the first 3 rounds? It's about time all fans recognize the fact that when Solich was hired we hired an extension of TO. TO was not a great recruiter. We hired someone to do the same things TO did. Apparently Husker Nation didn't like TO's way, so FS was fired. It's all new now, we'll see how BC's recruits fair in the draft from here on out.
Where do you arrive at 8? Brandon Jackson was a Callahan recruit. Incognito never played a game for Callahan and was kicked off the team. Bradley was developed as a LB by the new coaching staff, which is where he was drafted. He was DE when Solich was coach. Ruud was drafted early after he dedicated himself to working out instead of drinking after the season was over and improved his stock. Fabian was a workout wonder who seldom showed much on game days.

You can attribute these to either (A.) Solich didn't develop talent as well or (B.) Solich couldn't recruit enough depth. Less Solich draftees went high, but yet, under a new coaching staff, these guys that were maybe not high level Solich recruits, are more developed and end up being. higher draft choices.

Chew on this, from the 95-98 recruiting classes, NU was rated in the top 12 for 3 of those 4 years. The 99-2002 drafts produced how many less high level draft picks? Solich inherited a wealth of talent and was not able to develop it as well as Callahan has done thus far.
In the 1999 draft which would have been right after Solich's first year of coaching, NU had one player (ONE PLAYER) selected in the first 3 rounds with the name of Mike Rucker going in the 2nd round. In the 2005 draft which would have been after BC's first year of coaching, NU had four players (FOUR PLAYERS) go in the first 3 rounds by the names of Fabian Washington (1st rd), Ruud and Bullocks (2nd rd), and Incognito (3rd rd). Say what you want about Incognito, but the reason he didn't play was because BC kicked him off the team. Fact is he was recruited by Solich and was drafted into the NFL in the first 3 rounds so he counts in my book. In the 2000 draft, NU managed two players drafted in the first 3 rounds in Mike Brown (2nd rd) and Steve Warren (3rd rd). In 2006, NU had one player drafted in the first 3 rounds with Bullocks (2nd rd). That makes FS 5 players in BC's first 2 years to TO's 3 players in FS's first 2 years. I'd say the talent argument strongly favors more talent to BC than to FS by an overwhelming 40 percent.

You forget to mention that the stable of talent NU had drafted was after TO's last year of coaching with Wistrom, Peters, Frost, and Green gone. We also lost in later rounds great talent in Warfield and All American Aaron Taylor. In FS's first year, he had to replace a stud at QB (Frost) with unproven, young, and inexperienced Newcomb and Crouch. He had to replace a perennial starter at RB with a couple of inexperienced RB's Buckhalter and Alexander. He had to replace the bulk of his defensive line after losing perennial players Wistrom and Peters.

It still appears to me that there was more talent when BC started his career as HC than there was when FS started his career as HC. In terms of the thread starter, I will ask the obvious. When did NU ever have great receivers? I still remember the itty bitty committee. Their only job here at NU until recently was to block especially on option plays. 10 years ago, obviously great receivers were not necessary to win championships. If you're strictly a numbers person, Jamal Lords numbers as a QB were actually really good. He was just as athletic as some of the great to play here. What separated him from the greats was that he wasn't very smart, and he was very predictable. Whenever he audibled, you knew it was going to be an option and that he was going to carry the ball. However, was he better or worse than some of TO's great recruits in Mike Grant or Frankie London?

There are many ways teams can go about winning championships. Talent is one way, but then again TO won for many years taking less talented teams and winning most of the games we played. John Cooper had talent running out of his ears at Ohio State and yet he never won a championship. I don't remember one fullback playing back in the mid-90's that was actually given a scholarship prior to ever playing a down at NU. We developed talent. We developed fullbacks and offensive linemen. We won a lot of games and a few NC with in state talent at some key positions.

It's interesting that in the answer part of the thread starter that the coaching staff was brought into the mix stating that NU doesn't have the caliber of staff at OU or Texas. When Callahan put together his staff, it seems he was more interested in hiring recruiters rathern than great assistants. I don't know whether or not we have any higher turnover of coaches than Texas or OU, but let's face it we've had our fair share of defections with assistants in the past year. In order to win a championship, I still say it takes a veteran QB. We aren't going to have that for quite some time. I don't see us in the title hunt for at least 3 or more years. Sam Keller might be great, but he's never played one single down for NU.

 
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Combination of things has to go right. Talent certainly is needed in todays CFB world to be champs. Sound systems and the personel to teach and coach systems. I think luck is underplayed. Staying healthy is a huge key. Doesn't hurt to have a great support system backing the team (donars, facillities and fan support).

Still when it comes down to it... execution of all of this at a high level becomes imparative. Without it you are just ordinary.

 
You can go on and on about late rounders from Solich's class, but how do you dispute the first 3 rounds? It's about time all fans recognize the fact that when Solich was hired we hired an extension of TO. TO was not a great recruiter. We hired someone to do the same things TO did. Apparently Husker Nation didn't like TO's way, so FS was fired. It's all new now, we'll see how BC's recruits fair in the draft from here on out.
Where do you arrive at 8? Brandon Jackson was a Callahan recruit. Incognito never played a game for Callahan and was kicked off the team. Bradley was developed as a LB by the new coaching staff, which is where he was drafted. He was DE when Solich was coach. Ruud was drafted early after he dedicated himself to working out instead of drinking after the season was over and improved his stock. Fabian was a workout wonder who seldom showed much on game days.

You can attribute these to either A) Solich didn't develop talent as well or B) Solich couldn't recruit enough depth. Less Solich draftees went high, but yet, under a new coaching staff, these guys that were maybe not high level Solich recruits, are more developed and end up being. higher draft choices.

Chew on this, from the 95-98 recruiting classes, NU was rated in the top 12 for 3 of those 4 years. The 99-2002 drafts produced how many less high level draft picks? Solich inherited a wealth of talent and was not able to develop it as well as Callahan has done thus far.
In the 1999 draft which would have been right after Solich's first year of coaching, NU had one player (ONE PLAYER) selected in the first 3 rounds with the name of Mike Rucker going in the 2nd round. In the 2005 draft which would have been after BC's first year of coaching, NU had four players (FOUR PLAYERS) go in the first 3 rounds by the names of Fabian Washington (1st rd), Ruud and Bullocks (2nd rd), and Incognito (3rd rd). Say what you want about Incognito, but the reason he didn't play was because BC kicked him off the team. Fact is he was recruited by Solich and was drafted into the NFL in the first 3 rounds so he counts in my book. In the 2000 draft, NU managed two players drafted in the first 3 rounds in Mike Brown (2nd rd) and Steve Warren (3rd rd). In 2006, NU had one player drafted in the first 3 rounds with Bullocks (2nd rd). That makes FS 5 players in BC's first 2 years to TO's 3 players in FS's first 2 years. I'd say the talent argument strongly favors more talent to BC than to FS by an overwhelming 40 percent.

You forget to mention that the stable of talent NU had drafted was after TO's last year of coaching with Wistrom, Peters, Frost, and Green gone. We also lost in later rounds great talent in Warfield and All American Aaron Taylor. In FS's first year, he had to replace a stud at QB (Frost) with unproven, young, and inexperienced Newcomb and Crouch. He had to replace a perennial starter at RB with a couple of inexperienced RB's Buckhalter and Alexander. He had to replace the bulk of his defensive line after losing perennial players Wistrom and Peters.

It still appears to me that there was more talent when BC started his career as HC than there was when FS started his career as HC. In terms of the thread starter, I will ask the obvious. When did NU ever have great receivers? I still remember the itty bitty committee. Their only job here at NU until recently was to block especially on option plays. 10 years ago, obviously great receivers were not necessary to win championships. If you're strictly a numbers person, Jamal Lords numbers as a QB were actually really good. He was just as athletic as some of the great to play here. What separated him from the greats was that he wasn't very smart, and he was very predictable. Whenever he audibled, you knew it was going to be an option and that he was going to carry the ball. However, was he better or worse than some of TO's great recruits in Mike Grant or Frankie London?

There are many ways teams can go about winning championships. Talent is one way, but then again TO won for many years taking less talented teams and winning most of the games we played. John Cooper had talent running out of his ears at Ohio State and yet he never won a championship. I don't remember one fullback playing back in the mid-90's that was actually given a scholarship prior to ever playing a down at NU. We developed talent. We developed fullbacks and offensive linemen. We won a lot of games and a few NC with in state talent at some key positions.

It's interesting that in the answer part of the thread starter that the coaching staff was brought into the mix stating that NU doesn't have the caliber of staff at OU or Texas. When Callahan put together his staff, it seems he was more interested in hiring recruiters rathern than great assistants. I don't know whether or not we have any higher turnover of coaches than Texas or OU, but let's face it we've had our fair share of defections with assistants in the past year. In order to win a championship, I still say it takes a veteran QB. We aren't going to have that for quite some time. I don't see us in the title hunt for at least 3 or more years. Sam Keller might be great, but he's never played one single down for NU.
I disagree with your first rant about talent, but I can agree with most of what you said after that. The 98-2000 teams had a lot more quality depth and horses than the 01-present(essentially). Solich was left with more than Callahan was. I think Solich was failed by his assistants, average recruiting and lots of bad luck in terms of developing and keeping players.

 
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I have to wonder about why the players after Callahan's tenure started got drafted. Was it talent alone, or did this staff develop them better than Solich's staff did with the players he had? Especially Jackson, Carricker, Bradley and Moore. They had 3 years with Callahan's staff, and if you read a lot of the draft coverage, you see a great many comments about the players coaching, the defensive line got a lot of credit handed to Blake for teaching them the skills than made them wanted as NFL players.

There is also more to it than just how many players got drafted a given year. While a few starters did indeed get drafted, what was left behind them?

 
I have to wonder about why the players after Callahan's tenure started got drafted. Was it talent alone, or did this staff develop them better than Solich's staff did with the players he had? Especially Jackson, Carricker, Bradley and Moore. They had 3 years with Callahan's staff, and if you read a lot of the draft coverage, you see a great many comments about the players coaching, the defensive line got a lot of credit handed to Blake for teaching them the skills than made them wanted as NFL players.

There is also more to it than just how many players got drafted a given year. While a few starters did indeed get drafted, what was left behind them?
Excellent post, exactly my point.

 
there is no doubt that the coaching has gotten better, to some degree. but the assessment of the receivers is spot on. except for Mo, we haven't got any stand out guys, when physically roughed up, they are taken out of their game and all the defenses know it and will pound them all year long this season. our only hope is that Keller can make them look better than they really are, which won't be an easy task.

DB's and receivers is still at the bottom of the talent pool and will slow the recovery of our ascent to achieving greatness.

 
There were 17 total players taken in the Draft from Solich's first 3 years.(TO kids) You can also throw in Crouch and T. Wistrom from the next year bringing the total to 19. After Callahan's first 2 draft classes there have been 8 kids drafted(B-Jax being a Cally recruit leaving 7 Frankie kids) That would mean that in order to say Callahan was left with more talent then Frankie was, there are going to be 12 kids drafted(which won't happen) from this years team or next years that were recruited by Solich. You can't just throw out the first 3 round stats when you talk about OVERALL talent you have to include all the rounds. As far as Richie goes he isn't listed on Huskers.com so should he really count anyway?

 
I like how everybody associates talent with getting drafted :rolleyes:

Zac Taylor, you are a crappy quarterback dude. Tommy Frazier who?

 
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