Short yardage back

[admo]

Good article on BRN about Castille's situational performance. Basically, they're saying Castille's potential was more of a loss than his actual performance (outside of the gator bowl). He did not have great numbers as a 3rd down guy.

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I agree, Q was about average. I do not think you need a specialist for short yardage. Your #1 back should be good enough to pound it. And with the same back in there on short yardage plays (Helu for example) you have more options to go up the middle or play action, sweeps, tosses, etc.

When everyone see's the short yardage guy coming in for that play, seems like it doesnt work as often at all. Q had some good moments, but he wasnt all that great. You still held your breath.

 

[huzkerbob]

You guys actually think Helu can carry the ball 25 times a game every single week? Yeah freakin right! You guys obviously have short term memories, because as good as Helu was last year, there was many times where after two or three straight carries it looked like Helu was going to have an asthma attack!

Helu and this offense NEED a change of pace or "short yardage" back. To claim otherwise is just being naive and foolish.

 

[HuskerJen]

You guys actually think Helu can carry the ball 25 times a game every single week? Yeah freakin right! You guys obviously have short term memories, because as good as Helu was last year, there was many times where after two or three straight carries it looked like Helu was going to have an asthma attack!

Helu and this offense NEED a change of pace or "short yardage" back. To claim otherwise is just being naive and foolish.

The part in green...Yes I do. And I've never played football but if a running back isn't breathing heavy after two, three or four consecutive carries then I'd imagine he's not putting forth much effort.

I've never really been a fan of the whole "short yardage" back philosophy. You want to have two or three guys every season who can step in and play.

The part in orange...If the OL, TE and HB/FB do their respective jobs the hole will be there for whichever RB is in the game hence there'll be no need for short yardage.

 

[shyndy]

You guys actually think Helu can carry the ball 25 times a game every single week? Yeah freakin right! You guys obviously have short term memories, because as good as Helu was last year, there was many times where after two or three straight carries it looked like Helu was going to have an asthma attack!

Helu and this offense NEED a change of pace or "short yardage" back. To claim otherwise is just being naive and foolish.

The part in green...Yes I do. And I've never played football but if a running back isn't breathing heavy after two, three or four consecutive carries then I'd imagine he's not putting forth much effort.

I've never really been a fan of the whole "short yardage" back philosophy. You want to have two or three guys every season who can step in and play.

The part in orange...If the OL, TE and HB/FB do their respective jobs the hole will be there for whichever RB is in the game hence there'll be no need for short yardage.

i think there is a pretty big difference between saying "short yardage" and "change of pace." I think we are saying we don't like the idea of having a short yardage back because of the mentality that goes with something like that and how it affects playcalling. I think we all just got tired of, through the years, being in a 3rd and 2 and here comes in the power team, 3 TE and Glenn or whoever it would be at that time, and hand off right to a defense that knew it was coming (of course, we are thinking of Callahan, so we should probly be giving Watson the benefit of the doubt, but its hard to forget).

If you get too caught up in running certain stuff to benefit the strengths of the players then you are limiting the possibilities pre-snap, and helping the defense out.

 

[caveman99]

You guys actually think Helu can carry the ball 25 times a game every single week? Yeah freakin right! You guys obviously have short term memories, because as good as Helu was last year, there was many times where after two or three straight carries it looked like Helu was going to have an asthma attack!

Helu and this offense NEED a change of pace or "short yardage" back. To claim otherwise is just being naive and foolish.

The part in green...Yes I do. And I've never played football but if a running back isn't breathing heavy after two, three or four consecutive carries then I'd imagine he's not putting forth much effort.

I've never really been a fan of the whole "short yardage" back philosophy. You want to have two or three guys every season who can step in and play.

The part in orange...If the OL, TE and HB/FB do their respective jobs the hole will be there for whichever RB is in the game hence there'll be no need for short yardage.

i think there is a pretty big difference between saying "short yardage" and "change of pace." I think we are saying we don't like the idea of having a short yardage back because of the mentality that goes with something like that and how it affects playcalling. I think we all just got tired of, through the years, being in a 3rd and 2 and here comes in the power team, 3 TE and Glenn or whoever it would be at that time, and hand off right to a defense that knew it was coming (of course, we are thinking of Callahan, so we should probly be giving Watson the benefit of the doubt, but its hard to forget).

If you get too caught up in running certain stuff to benefit the strengths of the players then you are limiting the possibilities pre-snap, and helping the defense out.

Well then why does everyone do a Goal Line package?

 

[shyndy]

You guys actually think Helu can carry the ball 25 times a game every single week? Yeah freakin right! You guys obviously have short term memories, because as good as Helu was last year, there was many times where after two or three straight carries it looked like Helu was going to have an asthma attack!

Helu and this offense NEED a change of pace or "short yardage" back. To claim otherwise is just being naive and foolish.

The part in green...Yes I do. And I've never played football but if a running back isn't breathing heavy after two, three or four consecutive carries then I'd imagine he's not putting forth much effort.

I've never really been a fan of the whole "short yardage" back philosophy. You want to have two or three guys every season who can step in and play.

The part in orange...If the OL, TE and HB/FB do their respective jobs the hole will be there for whichever RB is in the game hence there'll be no need for short yardage.

i think there is a pretty big difference between saying "short yardage" and "change of pace." I think we are saying we don't like the idea of having a short yardage back because of the mentality that goes with something like that and how it affects playcalling. I think we all just got tired of, through the years, being in a 3rd and 2 and here comes in the power team, 3 TE and Glenn or whoever it would be at that time, and hand off right to a defense that knew it was coming (of course, we are thinking of Callahan, so we should probly be giving Watson the benefit of the doubt, but its hard to forget).

If you get too caught up in running certain stuff to benefit the strengths of the players then you are limiting the possibilities pre-snap, and helping the defense out.

Well then why does everyone do a Goal Line package?

does everyone? always?

and that is a particularly different situation because once you are down close to the endzone the field is shorter. Also I'm not saying there is really any problem with heavy formations- I'm talking about the way people think when they are in short yardage situations. A person shouldn't think of it as third and 1, they should think of it merely as third down.

 

[Hunter94]

You guys actually think Helu can carry the ball 25 times a game every single week? Yeah freakin right! You guys obviously have short term memories, because as good as Helu was last year, there was many times where after two or three straight carries it looked like Helu was going to have an asthma attack!

Helu and this offense NEED a change of pace or "short yardage" back. To claim otherwise is just being naive and foolish.

The part in green...Yes I do. And I've never played football but if a running back isn't breathing heavy after two, three or four consecutive carries then I'd imagine he's not putting forth much effort.

I've never really been a fan of the whole "short yardage" back philosophy. You want to have two or three guys every season who can step in and play.

The part in orange...If the OL, TE and HB/FB do their respective jobs the hole will be there for whichever RB is in the game hence there'll be no need for short yardage.

i think there is a pretty big difference between saying "short yardage" and "change of pace." I think we are saying we don't like the idea of having a short yardage back because of the mentality that goes with something like that and how it affects playcalling. I think we all just got tired of, through the years, being in a 3rd and 2 and here comes in the power team, 3 TE and Glenn or whoever it would be at that time, and hand off right to a defense that knew it was coming (of course, we are thinking of Callahan, so we should probly be giving Watson the benefit of the doubt, but its hard to forget).

If you get too caught up in running certain stuff to benefit the strengths of the players then you are limiting the possibilities pre-snap, and helping the defense out.

Well then why does everyone do a Goal Line package?

does everyone? always?

and that is a particularly different situation because once you are down close to the endzone the field is shorter. Also I'm not saying there is really any problem with heavy formations- I'm talking about the way people think when they are in short yardage situations. A person shouldn't think of it as third and 1, they should think of it merely as third down.

like 3rd and 12? just another 3rd down??

 

[knapplc]

like 3rd and 12? just another 3rd down??

They'd never expect a short-yardage play in that situation, though. It would be a brilliant call, and the easiest four yards we'd make all game.

Oh... wait.... :blink:

 

[caveman99]

You guys actually think Helu can carry the ball 25 times a game every single week? Yeah freakin right! You guys obviously have short term memories, because as good as Helu was last year, there was many times where after two or three straight carries it looked like Helu was going to have an asthma attack!

Helu and this offense NEED a change of pace or "short yardage" back. To claim otherwise is just being naive and foolish.

The part in green...Yes I do. And I've never played football but if a running back isn't breathing heavy after two, three or four consecutive carries then I'd imagine he's not putting forth much effort.

I've never really been a fan of the whole "short yardage" back philosophy. You want to have two or three guys every season who can step in and play.

The part in orange...If the OL, TE and HB/FB do their respective jobs the hole will be there for whichever RB is in the game hence there'll be no need for short yardage.

i think there is a pretty big difference between saying "short yardage" and "change of pace." I think we are saying we don't like the idea of having a short yardage back because of the mentality that goes with something like that and how it affects playcalling. I think we all just got tired of, through the years, being in a 3rd and 2 and here comes in the power team, 3 TE and Glenn or whoever it would be at that time, and hand off right to a defense that knew it was coming (of course, we are thinking of Callahan, so we should probly be giving Watson the benefit of the doubt, but its hard to forget).

If you get too caught up in running certain stuff to benefit the strengths of the players then you are limiting the possibilities pre-snap, and helping the defense out.

Well then why does everyone do a Goal Line package?

does everyone? always?

and that is a particularly different situation because once you are down close to the endzone the field is shorter. Also I'm not saying there is really any problem with heavy formations- I'm talking about the way people think when they are in short yardage situations. A person shouldn't think of it as third and 1, they should think of it merely as third down.

like 3rd and 12? just another 3rd down??

:yeah funny I had the exact same thing when I read that.

 

[shyndy]

I'm not sure what is so ridiculous that I've said to this point...

I was talking about short yardage, I don't know what third and 12 has to do with anything. I'm just saying that too often coaches get way too conservative in "short yardage" situations and they play into the defenses hand

 

[caveman99]

I'm not sure what is so ridiculous that I've said to this point...

I was talking about short yardage, I don't know what third and 12 has to do with anything. I'm just saying that too often coaches get way too conservative in "short yardage" situations and they play into the defenses hand

Coaches think of 3rd and Short different than any other 3rd down because they are different. Statistically the odds go way up for a conversion at 3rd and 3 or shorter. You can't just think of a 3rd and short as the same as any other 3rd down. Just like when they are on the goal line and short to go. You pick the plays that will get you the best chance to get that 1-3 yards and I don't think it is coincidence that power formations/plays are most often called in both instances.

 

[shyndy]

I'm not sure what is so ridiculous that I've said to this point...

I was talking about short yardage, I don't know what third and 12 has to do with anything. I'm just saying that too often coaches get way too conservative in "short yardage" situations and they play into the defenses hand

Coaches think of 3rd and Short different than any other 3rd down because they are different. Statistically the odds go way up for a conversion at 3rd and 3 or shorter. You can't just think of a 3rd and short as the same as any other 3rd down. Just like when they are on the goal line and short to go. You pick the plays that will get you the best chance to get that 1-3 yards and I don't think it is coincidence that power formations/plays are most often called in both instances.

ugh i lost my post somehow, lol

well maybe I'm just crazy, but I think you have to be more aggressive than that. obviously you aren't going to run all flies on third and 2. just got to saying all this bc I think its dumb to swap out to "power personnel" and then run power plays everytime you get in those situations. gotta have balanced playcalling and keep the defense on their toes. I think alot of it probably depends on the opponent and whats been happening in the game and whatnot- its just that the "short yardage back" makes me think of all the times we've come out like that and ran an iso against a defense that was stacked and ready. Now if you come out in a goaline set and run a PA pass to Suh in the flat, that I like!

 

[HUSKER 37]

I'm not sure what is so ridiculous that I've said to this point...

I was talking about short yardage, I don't know what third and 12 has to do with anything. I'm just saying that too often coaches get way too conservative in "short yardage" situations and they play into the defenses hand

Coaches think of 3rd and Short different than any other 3rd down because they are different. Statistically the odds go way up for a conversion at 3rd and 3 or shorter. You can't just think of a 3rd and short as the same as any other 3rd down. Just like when they are on the goal line and short to go. You pick the plays that will get you the best chance to get that 1-3 yards and I don't think it is coincidence that power formations/plays are most often called in both instances.

ugh i lost my post somehow, lol

well maybe I'm just crazy, but I think you have to be more aggressive than that. obviously you aren't going to run all flies on third and 2. just got to saying all this bc I think its dumb to swap out to "power personnel" and then run power plays everytime you get in those situations. gotta have balanced playcalling and keep the defense on their toes. I think alot of it probably depends on the opponent and whats been happening in the game and whatnot- its just that the "short yardage back" makes me think of all the times we've come out like that and ran an iso against a defense that was stacked and ready. Now if you come out in a goaline set and run a PA pass to Suh in the flat, that I like!

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[shyndy]

lol, yeah that play...

 

[Igetbored216]

Not to downplay the loss of Castille, but I never really thought he really excelled as a short yardage back. Just because you are big it does not make you a short yardage back. I always remember him just running into the back of his o-line and falling down.

I honestly always felt that Helu is the better choice for short yardage, but that's just my opinion. He's really good at recognizing where his blocks are and avoiding getting tackled at first contact.

That is what makes a great short yardage back.