Should have been COZ

I'm not saying I like Coz, but I'm not saying he needs to be fired. I haven't been impressed with our defense this year but I attribute that to Coz having to work with the best he's got. I might not agree with it, but I'm not the coach either. I don't see the players practicing. I'm not well versed on the little nuances needed to play defense in football. I think the injury bug hurt the defense this year so as I've said before, I have no problem giving Coz another year or two to see how the defense is. He'll have his recruits, injured players will hopefully be back to full speed and the players will have hopefully grasped the defensive scheme a little better. If after year 4 and/or 5 things haven't improved, then I'll agree he needs to be fired.

 
Personally I think Coz is in the Craig Bohl school of Defensive Coordinators. He puts the LBs too close to the line and they don't have a chance to react because they are out of position. That results in an ultimate oxymoron because Coz says this is a "read and react" scheme rather than an attacking one. Catch 22 alert.

We'll see what he can do with the new recruits but he needs to learn from his mistakes.

 
BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA said:
Personally I think Coz is in the Craig Bohl school of Defensive Coordinators. He puts the LBs too close to the line and they don't have a chance to react because they are out of position. That results in an ultimate oxymoron because Coz says this is a "read and react" scheme rather than an attacking one. Catch 22 alert.

We'll see what he can do with the new recruits but he needs to learn from his mistakes.
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well, he will soon have the whole off season to look at film....no excuses for next year, except the whole front D line will be gone, so that rebuilding and experience problem will be an issue for him......i guess

 
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HuskerfaninOkieland said:
I'm not saying I like Coz, but I'm not saying he needs to be fired. I haven't been impressed with our defense this year but I attribute that to Coz having to work with the best he's got. I might not agree with it, but I'm not the coach either. I don't see the players practicing. I'm not well versed on the little nuances needed to play defense in football. I think the injury bug hurt the defense this year so as I've said before, I have no problem giving Coz another year or two to see how the defense is. He'll have his recruits, injured players will hopefully be back to full speed and the players will have hopefully grasped the defensive scheme a little better. If after year 4 and/or 5 things haven't improved, then I'll agree he needs to be fired.
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Hey Okieland! First, I think I made some analogies between the intolerant old people who think their way of doing things is the only way, and those who click a thread and complain about the topic itself instead of giving an opinion on the topic. I don’t think I ever called you a name. At least that was not my intention, and if you got that impression I apologize.

I know a lot of people have been calling for Coz’s head, and if you disagree with that sentiment, then I fully support your right to voice that opinion. However, with a game still left to be played in a season that has “highlighted” what I believe to be Cosgrove’s weaknesses as a D-coordinator, I do believe the topic is legitimate. Once again, if you believe that it is not legitimate, you don’t have to read it. It was not even me that originally posted it, but I do agree with the premise of the thread .

Also, the above post where you offer a reasoned argument about why you disagree with both me and the person that started this thread, is to me, the right way to respond. I still have my reasons for not liking Coz as a D-coordinator, but I will spare you the details. I just think logging on and attacking the topic (which ostensibly results in an attack on the originator of the topic) is not the way to handle it if you don’t agree with someone.

And lastly, if anyone comes on this board and declares himself or herself to be a Husker fan, I will never doubt them or accuse them of NOT being a Husker fan (I don’t think I did that anywhere). Please, that would be like calling someone un-American. I look at this like a big family. We may disagree, and we may argue, but bottom line, we all want the same thing…another national championship! GO BIG RED!!!

 
husker rob said:
some people just get their panties in a bunch because you dont agree with them. me personally, i am tired of the blame game going toward Callahan for Blake leaving. Blake has kept nothing a secret about his ambitions about being a head coach again and i would be a matter of time that he would leave anyway. he took the opportunity that he was given that he thought would be best for him and his family.

Callahan could not fire Coz in the middle of bowl preperations and offer the job to Blake to try to get him to stay. Coz may or may not be the right answer for the Huskers, but firing him before the bowl game would definitely be the wrong answer.

Callahan did what was best for this team right now. After the game then there might be some changes in the staff or the staff's philosophys.

I still have to go back to the defenses of Charlie McBride. it seems to me that alot of people on this board are not old enough to remember the bend but not break attitude and slow footed LB and DB that NU had in the 80's and early 90's under McBride. Over 10 years mind you. Then after another Orange Bowl defeat to a Florida school with superior team speed, a change was made to the 4-3 scheme. Charlie made LB's out of DB's and recruited even faster DB's

We are in the 3 year of Cozgrove's tenure and we are already calling for his head.

again i will say that you have to give a coach and his staff 4-5 years before you can truley judge how capable they are as coaches and recruiters.

sorry for the long rant, just my opinion
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I know what you are saying, and I agree that a coach should be given a chance. However, even though it did take McBride a while to change… he did change, and for the better. The result was one of the most dominating defenses in college football history. The numbers for those McBride defenses in the `90’s are almost all better than Cosgrove’s best numbers, even when Coz was at a place where he had plenty of time to recruit and implement his own system. And, McBride’s numbers include a huge amount of play by second and third team guys since the games were commonly blow-outs by halftime.

In my humble opinion you shouldn’t fix something that isn’t broken. In other words, I don’t care how long it took McBride to get it right…he got it right. Speed, Speed, Speed. That was the answer in the `90’s and it hasn’t changed now. I hate seeing 235-250 pound linebackers out there chasing around wide receivers. When McBride coached we had linebackers like T-Far who went about 205lbs, and Jamel Williams who was 205lbs soaking wet, and Tony Ortiz at 205lbs, and EJ who was 200lbs, and McFarlain who was 200lbs… Cooper, Hollowell, were both a bit bigger, but they only went about 220lbs, Demario was about 210lbs (he’s bigger now). Those guys could cover receivers if they had to.

Coz has a whole different philosophy. We don’t have a linebacker on our roster right now under 220lbs. And all of the starters are over 225lbs. That includes Bradley who goes 250lbs. I don’t blame Bradley, but I believe in the McBride era, (and the couple of years that followed) Bradley would have been playing Rush End.

I’m not saying coaches don’t deserve a chance, my problem is that I think Coz’s philosophy has us moving in the wrong direction. That’s why I would like to see him go before he does any more damage. Just my humble opinion. I certainly respect your right to disagree.

 
Hey Okieland! First, I think I made some analogies between the intolerant old people who think their way of doing things is the only way, and those who click a thread and complain about the topic itself instead of giving an opinion on the topic. I don’t think I ever called you a name. At least that was not my intention, and if you got that impression I apologize.

No problem :thumbs

I know a lot of people have been calling for Coz’s head, and if you disagree with that sentiment, then I fully support your right to voice that opinion. However, with a game still left to be played in a season that has “highlighted” what I believe to be Cosgrove’s weaknesses as a D-coordinator, I do believe the topic is legitimate. Once again, if you believe that it is not legitimate, you don’t have to read it. It was not even me that originally posted it, but I do agree with the premise of the thread .

As I stated earlier, I'm not a big fan of Cosgrove. With the exception of one or two good years at Wisconsin, his defenses there were consistently ranked in the 50's. Whether he's the right man for the job or not remains to be seen. And for all I know, he may make a believer out of me that's why I'm willing to give him another year or two to see how things go. Where my disdain about this topic comes into play is the topic being brought up on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure everyone by now knows Cosgrove's defense isn't playing lights out. We've had bright spots but we've had complete meltdowns as well. Bringing this up is similar in nature IMO to bringing up Cally's game plan/calling. It's a dead horse that doesn't need another beating.

Also, the above post where you offer a reasoned argument about why you disagree with both me and the person that started this thread, is to me, the right way to respond. I still have my reasons for not liking Coz as a D-coordinator, but I will spare you the details. I just think logging on and attacking the topic (which ostensibly results in an attack on the originator of the topic) is not the way to handle it if you don’t agree with someone.

If I did attack the originator of the post then I apologize. I wasn't intending to attack the poster but instead attack the incessant posting about a topic we all know will be repeated several times more.

And lastly, if anyone comes on this board and declares himself or herself to be a Husker fan, I will never doubt them or accuse them of NOT being a Husker fan (I don’t think I did that anywhere). Please, that would be like calling someone un-American. I look at this like a big family. We may disagree, and we may argue, but bottom line, we all want the same thing…another national championship! GO BIG RED!!!

I agree :thumbs

 
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Friends...but no group hug! :lol:

By the way, I need to clarify this statement:

Bringing this up is similar in nature IMO to bringing up Cally's game plan/calling.
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It should have read:

Bringing this up is similar in nature IMO to bringing up Cally's game plan/calling in the USC game

 
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California Husker said:
husker rob said:
some people just get their panties in a bunch because you dont agree with them. me personally, i am tired of the blame game going toward Callahan for Blake leaving. Blake has kept nothing a secret about his ambitions about being a head coach again and i would be a matter of time that he would leave anyway. he took the opportunity that he was given that he thought would be best for him and his family.

Callahan could not fire Coz in the middle of bowl preperations and offer the job to Blake to try to get him to stay. Coz may or may not be the right answer for the Huskers, but firing him before the bowl game would definitely be the wrong answer.

Callahan did what was best for this team right now. After the game then there might be some changes in the staff or the staff's philosophys.

I still have to go back to the defenses of Charlie McBride. it seems to me that alot of people on this board are not old enough to remember the bend but not break attitude and slow footed LB and DB that NU had in the 80's and early 90's under McBride. Over 10 years mind you. Then after another Orange Bowl defeat to a Florida school with superior team speed, a change was made to the 4-3 scheme. Charlie made LB's out of DB's and recruited even faster DB's

We are in the 3 year of Cozgrove's tenure and we are already calling for his head.

again i will say that you have to give a coach and his staff 4-5 years before you can truley judge how capable they are as coaches and recruiters.

sorry for the long rant, just my opinion
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I know what you are saying, and I agree that a coach should be given a chance. However, even though it did take McBride a while to change… he did change, and for the better. The result was one of the most dominating defenses in college football history. The numbers for those McBride defenses in the `90’s are almost all better than Cosgrove’s best numbers, even when Coz was at a place where he had plenty of time to recruit and implement his own system. And, McBride’s numbers include a huge amount of play by second and third team guys since the games were commonly blow-outs by halftime.

In my humble opinion you shouldn’t fix something that isn’t broken. In other words, I don’t care how long it took McBride to get it right…he got it right. Speed, Speed, Speed. That was the answer in the `90’s and it hasn’t changed now. I hate seeing 235-250 pound linebackers out there chasing around wide receivers. When McBride coached we had linebackers like T-Far who went about 205lbs, and Jamel Williams who was 205lbs soaking wet, and Tony Ortiz at 205lbs, and EJ who was 200lbs, and McFarlain who was 200lbs… Cooper, Hollowell, were both a bit bigger, but they only went about 220lbs, Demario was about 210lbs (he’s bigger now). Those guys could cover receivers if they had to.

Coz has a whole different philosophy. We don’t have a linebacker on our roster right now under 220lbs. And all of the starters are over 225lbs. That includes Bradley who goes 250lbs. I don’t blame Bradley, but I believe in the McBride era, (and the couple of years that followed) Bradley would have been playing Rush End.

I’m not saying coaches don’t deserve a chance, my problem is that I think Coz’s philosophy has us moving in the wrong direction. That’s why I would like to see him go before he does any more damage. Just my humble opinion. I certainly respect your right to disagree.
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remember that these 240 lb LB's that we do have starting right now were from the Solich era, with Bohl and the beloved Pelini in charge.

with the recruits that are coming in it does look like NU is headed back in the right direction. Except for Dillard (middle LB) i think that all of the recruits lately are around 220 lb?

 
remember that these 240 lb LB's that we do have starting right now were from the Solich era, with Bohl and the beloved Pelini in charge.
with the recruits that are coming in it does look like NU is headed back in the right direction. Except for Dillard (middle LB) i think that all of the recruits lately are around 220 lb?
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If you look at the current roster (as listed on Huskers.com), of the linebackers who are freshmen or sophomores, only one is 220lbs, all the rest are heavier.

There is not one that is 200lbs or 205lbs. None of the current linebackers are converted corners or safeties (as far as I know) and from what I can tell, Coz and the recruiting staff don’t seem to seek out corners and safeties they can convert. Perhaps they are recruiting guys that are down around 220lbs (still bigger than most of our really quick linebackers during the McBride era), but they are linebackers. I would like to see him at least look at getting some really big (200lbs) hard hitting, sure tackling safeties and corners and convert them to LB. That’s what I mean when I say I think he is going in the wrong direction…in my humble opinion.

 
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