Ya, I mean there's definitely some comparisons between Callahan and Wanstedt... but no one really knows what is going to happen with either for a couple more years. The one thing that is a big difference is that Wanstedt is 0-3, Callahan is 3-0.. even last years pathetic season we started out 2-1. AND one of those wins came against Pitt @ Pitt when they apparently had such a super offense.
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It's SP's a$$, too.
If Cali fails, SP knows he's got to take action, or he will be out the door, too.
It's not really that difficult. The point of the mattter is what is failure, what is success, and what is acceptable. And then there is "reality" vs. "the current emotional situation/condition". Right now, people aren't too 'happy'. But really, no one is going to do anything until the season is over, or until we dip drastically under .500. Still..........
"Only time will tell"
If Cali fails, SP knows he's got to take action, or he will be out the door, too.
It's not really that difficult. The point of the mattter is what is failure, what is success, and what is acceptable. And then there is "reality" vs. "the current emotional situation/condition". Right now, people aren't too 'happy'. But really, no one is going to do anything until the season is over, or until we dip drastically under .500. Still..........
"Only time will tell"
junior4949
All-American
I don't think it's a fair comparison at all. Wannstadt was the head guy for quite a few years while BC was just the head guy for 2. BC went to one Superbowl, but the next season he tanked. Injuries can do that for teams. Look at Carolina: Superbowl one year, didn't make the playoffs the next. Wannstadt has a history of losing. BC doesn't just yet, but he is well on his way if he don't get sh#t straightened out in a hurry. For now, it's not fair to compare the two. I've said it since the beginning of the season that there was no way NU would lose to Pitt. Damn, I almost had to eat those words.
My biggest area of complaint is what I heard on Sports Nightly. According to them, our coaches are out on the recruiting trail this week. I'm pissed. Stay home and coach the friggin recruits we got last year. While I know recruits are the lifeblood of the program, it's only the 4th game of the friggin season. I also realize that not all of the coaches are gone, but we need every damn coach available to beat something into the heads of the piss poor offensive play. I'm sorry, but nowhere in Pud's speaches did he say surrendering the Big 12 to Iowa State. 10 years ago, they were the whipping boy of the Big 8. If we're not careful, we're going to become the whipping boy of the Big 12 North and South!
My biggest area of complaint is what I heard on Sports Nightly. According to them, our coaches are out on the recruiting trail this week. I'm pissed. Stay home and coach the friggin recruits we got last year. While I know recruits are the lifeblood of the program, it's only the 4th game of the friggin season. I also realize that not all of the coaches are gone, but we need every damn coach available to beat something into the heads of the piss poor offensive play. I'm sorry, but nowhere in Pud's speaches did he say surrendering the Big 12 to Iowa State. 10 years ago, they were the whipping boy of the Big 8. If we're not careful, we're going to become the whipping boy of the Big 12 North and South!
huskerdavo
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Hey guys we are 3-0
3 games and we will be back in bowl status. If you expected more than that this season you are a fool. Mostly freshmen and juco's playing will not instantly equate to wins. Experience playing the game makes more of an impact than raw talent ever will. Give it a little more time. These kids are getting great experience this year as freshmen. Next year will be awesome from an experience stand point! This year we will have to wait and see. Offense is showing flashes and will hopefully explode this year but there are no gurantees. Defense is easier to get going than offense. Patience Patience Patience.
On Cally,
He led a team to the Superbowl therefore he is not a moron...um not many have done that ok! Horrible SI article if you couldnt feel the bias i dont think you have a pulse. Pitt and NU are not comparable with ND and FLorida which have talent pouring out of their ears.
BTW Urban Meyer isnt happy with FL cause it will take time to get them into his type of offense. He just has so much talent there it doesnt matter what offense they run, but Run and Gun isnt too far from Spread Option it still involves alot of passing. And like stated earlier Weis came into a similar system at ND.
If Cally pulls off a option to WCO change it will be a miracle based on how much whining occurs in NE. Give him a chance he is trying to make miracles happen for a ungrateful Husker Nation. I guess this is how true fans treat their coach after 3 wins.
Lets let the season play out cause we have all off season to bash the decisions that are made. Lets grade Cally the same way they do in the media, Wins and Losses...so far technically he has a "A" since he is 3-0. Lets cut the man some slack he didnt expect the performance Saturday either. We know they usually dont make that many errors on offense as shown in the first two games. So maybe just maybe the offensive line had a bad day.
3 games and we will be back in bowl status. If you expected more than that this season you are a fool. Mostly freshmen and juco's playing will not instantly equate to wins. Experience playing the game makes more of an impact than raw talent ever will. Give it a little more time. These kids are getting great experience this year as freshmen. Next year will be awesome from an experience stand point! This year we will have to wait and see. Offense is showing flashes and will hopefully explode this year but there are no gurantees. Defense is easier to get going than offense. Patience Patience Patience.
On Cally,
He led a team to the Superbowl therefore he is not a moron...um not many have done that ok! Horrible SI article if you couldnt feel the bias i dont think you have a pulse. Pitt and NU are not comparable with ND and FLorida which have talent pouring out of their ears.
BTW Urban Meyer isnt happy with FL cause it will take time to get them into his type of offense. He just has so much talent there it doesnt matter what offense they run, but Run and Gun isnt too far from Spread Option it still involves alot of passing. And like stated earlier Weis came into a similar system at ND.
If Cally pulls off a option to WCO change it will be a miracle based on how much whining occurs in NE. Give him a chance he is trying to make miracles happen for a ungrateful Husker Nation. I guess this is how true fans treat their coach after 3 wins.
Lets let the season play out cause we have all off season to bash the decisions that are made. Lets grade Cally the same way they do in the media, Wins and Losses...so far technically he has a "A" since he is 3-0. Lets cut the man some slack he didnt expect the performance Saturday either. We know they usually dont make that many errors on offense as shown in the first two games. So maybe just maybe the offensive line had a bad day.
DaveH
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AFAIK, the head coach and the coordinators are in town running practice. The other coaches are out hitting the trail in the off week. I am sure they can handle practice. They should be back this weekend for practice and all next week.
You gotta keep pushing if you want to get the recruits you want.
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Foppa
All-American
A agree that we need the recruits, probably BADLY, but to me this just echoes what we saw last year...BC and the 'system' worried more about who we need than what we CURRENTLY have.
For Callahan's sake, I sure hope he finds a way to beat ISU. Because if we get blown out of the water, and Cally says something like, "we were just a few plays and a few blocks" from being in the game, my response will be, "why the he11 didn't we have everyone on staff helping these kids be READY for that?"
Roy CO HSKR
Five-Star Recruit
The following from Socalhusker on another site points out that SI and BC's naysayers may be the ones pipe dreaming w/rose colored glasses:
The Pete Carroll/USC Myth
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Pete Carroll has done a great job at USC but it’s incorrect to surmise he “turned around” the program in two years. He couldn’t and it’s both unfair and unwise to expect BC to, either.
USC’s decline began in 1989. The year before they had gone 10-1. Then they slipped to 8-2-1, then 8-3-1, then suddenly to 3-8. From 1991-98 USC’s record was only 54-39-3.
It appears to me the turnaround started in February 1998 with the first group of recruits who would as seniors be part of the turnaround team of 2002, including future Heisman QB Carson Palmer, who would eventually win the starting job the last five games of the 1998 season as a true freshman. They went 8-5. The following spring they added nine All-Americans and future turnaround team stars All-Americans Jacob Rogers, DB Troy Polamalu, and WM Kareem Kelly, among others. They were starting to build with great talent but they were young, inexperienced, and lacked depth (sound familiar?). They only went 6-6 that fall (1999).
In 2000 they returned 15 starters after recruiting a solid class that included more future stars WR Keary Colbert and LB Matt Grootegoed. They had a young, improving roster but a losing record at 5-7 and fired their coach in November. Pete Carroll was hired three weeks later.
In his first recruiting class Carroll got, among others, Mike Patterson, Shawn Cody, and Matt Leinart. Later All-American Lofa Tatupu transferred to USC as well. That fall his first team returned 14 starters including now 3rd year starter QB Carson Palmer. For all that veteran and new talent, they only went 6-6, losing 10-6 to Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl.
That winter in his second recruiting class Carroll signed 16 All-Americans including DB Darnell Bing, TE Dominique Byrd and WR Mike Williams. So in addition to two top ten recruiting classes, the 2002 Trojans returned a slug of now maturing stars. Even then they started slow (3-2). But by the end of the season, they were probably better than NC Miami.
The winter of 2003 he had his third straight recruiting bonanza, another top rated class including the likes of QB Josh David Booty, WR Steve Smith, RBs LenDale White and Reggie Bush. Add them to 12 returning starters and the surprise emergence of Matt Leinart, and USC’s turnaround was complete. The dynasty was now beginning.
Unlike Bill Callahan, Pete Carroll and Norm Chow inherited a number of future All-Americans just coming into their prime, not to mention a Heisman quality quarterback. Pete Carroll inherited a storied program that had already bottomed out, languished for a decade, and was back on the upswing – a reality lost in the W-L record. Bill Callahan inherited a storied program on the decline after its most successful decade in history. And he’s already started to build it back!
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As was pointed out previously, Stoops was also handed a load of recruits from Blake's efforts before he was canned. Roy
The Pete Carroll/USC Myth
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Pete Carroll has done a great job at USC but it’s incorrect to surmise he “turned around” the program in two years. He couldn’t and it’s both unfair and unwise to expect BC to, either.
USC’s decline began in 1989. The year before they had gone 10-1. Then they slipped to 8-2-1, then 8-3-1, then suddenly to 3-8. From 1991-98 USC’s record was only 54-39-3.
It appears to me the turnaround started in February 1998 with the first group of recruits who would as seniors be part of the turnaround team of 2002, including future Heisman QB Carson Palmer, who would eventually win the starting job the last five games of the 1998 season as a true freshman. They went 8-5. The following spring they added nine All-Americans and future turnaround team stars All-Americans Jacob Rogers, DB Troy Polamalu, and WM Kareem Kelly, among others. They were starting to build with great talent but they were young, inexperienced, and lacked depth (sound familiar?). They only went 6-6 that fall (1999).
In 2000 they returned 15 starters after recruiting a solid class that included more future stars WR Keary Colbert and LB Matt Grootegoed. They had a young, improving roster but a losing record at 5-7 and fired their coach in November. Pete Carroll was hired three weeks later.
In his first recruiting class Carroll got, among others, Mike Patterson, Shawn Cody, and Matt Leinart. Later All-American Lofa Tatupu transferred to USC as well. That fall his first team returned 14 starters including now 3rd year starter QB Carson Palmer. For all that veteran and new talent, they only went 6-6, losing 10-6 to Utah in the Las Vegas Bowl.
That winter in his second recruiting class Carroll signed 16 All-Americans including DB Darnell Bing, TE Dominique Byrd and WR Mike Williams. So in addition to two top ten recruiting classes, the 2002 Trojans returned a slug of now maturing stars. Even then they started slow (3-2). But by the end of the season, they were probably better than NC Miami.
The winter of 2003 he had his third straight recruiting bonanza, another top rated class including the likes of QB Josh David Booty, WR Steve Smith, RBs LenDale White and Reggie Bush. Add them to 12 returning starters and the surprise emergence of Matt Leinart, and USC’s turnaround was complete. The dynasty was now beginning.
Unlike Bill Callahan, Pete Carroll and Norm Chow inherited a number of future All-Americans just coming into their prime, not to mention a Heisman quality quarterback. Pete Carroll inherited a storied program that had already bottomed out, languished for a decade, and was back on the upswing – a reality lost in the W-L record. Bill Callahan inherited a storied program on the decline after its most successful decade in history. And he’s already started to build it back!
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As was pointed out previously, Stoops was also handed a load of recruits from Blake's efforts before he was canned. Roy
Roy CO HSKR
Five-Star Recruit
Didn't you read the comment by Trev Alberts, former fan? The 10-3 season had no wins over anyone good, but rather 3 blowouts in embarassing loses. Keeping Solich was a guarantee to NEVER again win the Big 12 Championship!
Remember this- the proof is in the pudding- meaning you and everyone else will know just how good a job BC has done after the next recruiting class matures in his system. Then, there will be no debate.
Remember this- the proof is in the pudding- meaning you and everyone else will know just how good a job BC has done after the next recruiting class matures in his system. Then, there will be no debate.
I certainly read his quotes, and I agree that NU was lacking NC caliber talent, no doubt. However, besides getting one possibly good recruiting class in, billy c has done nothing else. The D is playing better than last year (right now), the special teams (besides Koch) are average, and the offense gets progressively worse the farther we get into this little experiment.
Are you telling me that billy c and his system is so bad that we cannot win without the absolute "best" recruits?? Is he so bad that he has to have talent head-and-shoulders above everybody else to just make up for a poor system and bad coaching???
If so, its gonna be a long road ahead, and NU will never return to dominance.
Roy CO HSKR
Five-Star Recruit
In the Top 10 rankings for this week, what team does not have better talent, a less experienced QB, and less overall experience with their offensive system. Maybe I should go down below that to the Top 20. Most every analyst with any respect would agree that the talent of that so-called 10-3 team, with no wins over any decent opponent and 3 BLOWOUTS, was poor. The talent doesn't need to overcome a system, because BC's WCO is headed for a bright future. I can prove it...just wait awhile with a little patience.
Your optimism is very nice :thumbs , however, I can prove that BCs WCO hasnt worked. It didnt in Oakland (in 03, [as 02 he was running the schemes from Grudens system]) and it hasnt so far at NU.
Will it in the future, who knows?? But since a system like this has never had any sustained success in college football, I'd wager that it wont. Unfortunately, history is on my side of this argument.
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Pedro Guerrero
Team HuskerBoard
the special teams (besides Koch) are average
Come on dude. Nunn averages 30 yards on punt returns. The kick coverage has been outstanding so far this year. I believe Green is averaging over 25 yards per kick return. The only struggle has been Congdon on those two field goals and that extra point. If you ask me the wind had a lot to do with the two field goals. Dyches was doing the samething in warmups.
Come on dude. Nunn averages 30 yards on punt returns. The kick coverage has been outstanding so far this year. I believe Green is averaging over 25 yards per kick return. The only struggle has been Congdon on those two field goals and that extra point. If you ask me the wind had a lot to do with the two field goals. Dyches was doing the samething in warmups.
Pedro Guerrero
Team HuskerBoard
however, I can prove that BCs WCO hasnt worked. It didnt in Oakland (in 03, [as 02 he was running the schemes from Grudens system])
If it was Gruden's system and not Billy C's how come Tampa's offense has beenterrible every year he has been there? YOu don't think playing the 3rd string QB in 03 had anything to do with the output that year?
If it was Gruden's system and not Billy C's how come Tampa's offense has beenterrible every year he has been there? YOu don't think playing the 3rd string QB in 03 had anything to do with the output that year?