Sipple: Coaches say Taylor Martinez ramping up his game

[Hujan]

this is not good, Beck better not pull a Watson and have someone ready to play behind this kid, i seriously doubt he will make it though a Big 10 season..contingencies need to be made and i don't mean running the Rex-cat!

Someone will be ready, IMO, and it has little to do with Beck or Watson, and everything to do with:

- Brion being off his redshirt

- Kody being another year removed from his freak injury

- Cody being a year older and a year wiser

Of course, say the #2 guy has injury problems. Then we'll still have problems next year.

Nah. With Beck's simplified offense, the QB will be expected to do less. Unlike the Watson-Gilmore Disaster, we'll be more playmakers than just the QB and RB positions. With Turner, Rex, Bell, Reed, Green/Abdullah/Heard, and Kinnie to help them out, TM could go down and both Cody and Brion will be more than capable of keeping us going. We may not be ideal, but we'll still be quite effective.

But Taylor is definitely running on glass ankles. The training staff needs to find a way to tape the hell out of those things to keep him going.

That's actually not true, the quarterback will be expected to actually read the defense pre-snap and make audibles this year. Last year the play was called from the sideline and the QB ran it no matter what the defense showed.

Then the passing game was really pretty simple, 2 reads then tuck and run. Our line down the stretch combined with Martinez ankle were awful.

The terminology and concepts are expected to be more basic, yes, but the QB will be expected to do more than what happened last year.

Jamal Turner has been quoted as saying how much easier it is to learn at WR than QB, and that was part of the switch.

I think you're off on this. There has been a lot of indication that the audibles will be called from the sideline. It's probably going to a situation where our offense hurries to the line, gets set, then looks to the sideline for the signal.

As for the passing game, the WCO passing game relied on timing. It sounds like this is going to be more sandlot football: Get open and you get the ball. Plus, I think all indications are that we are going to make short passes and rely on our receivers/backs/TEs to get some yards after catch with their speed. Look for the QBs to throw lots of flats, screens, drags, and slants. Not exactly difficult throws.

Jamal Turner's quote cannot be taken as any evidence of how complex our QB's jobs will be. Learning WR will ALWAYS be easier than learning the QB position, no matter how simple or complex the offense is from a QB standpoint. Indeed, it's impossible to imagine an offense where learning WR is as or more complex than learning the QB position.

 

[Hujan]

this is not good, Beck better not pull a Watson and have someone ready to play behind this kid, i seriously doubt he will make it though a Big 10 season..contingencies need to be made and i don't mean running the Rex-cat!

Someone will be ready, IMO, and it has little to do with Beck or Watson, and everything to do with:

- Brion being off his redshirt

- Kody being another year removed from his freak injury

- Cody being a year older and a year wiser

Of course, say the #2 guy has injury problems. Then we'll still have problems next year.

Nah. With Beck's simplified offense, the QB will be expected to do less. Unlike the Watson-Gilmore Disaster, we'll be more playmakers than just the QB and RB positions. With Turner, Rex, Bell, Reed, Green/Abdullah/Heard, and Kinnie to help them out, TM could go down and both Cody and Brion will be more than capable of keeping us going. We may not be ideal, but we'll still be quite effective.

But Taylor is definitely running on glass ankles. The training staff needs to find a way to tape the hell out of those things to keep him going.

CG is the only other guy to take a snap at QB and that leaves me more than a little worried, especially with no experience behind Burkehead....wow!

Remember that Martinez had not taken a snap at QB when WKU rolled into town. If Carnes is half as solid as Martinez was pre-Missouri, he'll be more than adequate as a backup.

Until the Holiday Bowl, our three losses were by an average of 4.33 points. We won't need a ton of offense to win. CG and Carnes should be more than adequate.

 

[HuskerNMO]

this is not good, Beck better not pull a Watson and have someone ready to play behind this kid, i seriously doubt he will make it though a Big 10 season..contingencies need to be made and i don't mean running the Rex-cat!

Someone will be ready, IMO, and it has little to do with Beck or Watson, and everything to do with:

- Brion being off his redshirt

- Kody being another year removed from his freak injury

- Cody being a year older and a year wiser

Of course, say the #2 guy has injury problems. Then we'll still have problems next year.

Nah. With Beck's simplified offense, the QB will be expected to do less. Unlike the Watson-Gilmore Disaster, we'll be more playmakers than just the QB and RB positions. With Turner, Rex, Bell, Reed, Green/Abdullah/Heard, and Kinnie to help them out, TM could go down and both Cody and Brion will be more than capable of keeping us going. We may not be ideal, but we'll still be quite effective.

But Taylor is definitely running on glass ankles. The training staff needs to find a way to tape the hell out of those things to keep him going.

That's actually not true, the quarterback will be expected to actually read the defense pre-snap and make audibles this year. Last year the play was called from the sideline and the QB ran it no matter what the defense showed.

Then the passing game was really pretty simple, 2 reads then tuck and run. Our line down the stretch combined with Martinez ankle were awful.

The terminology and concepts are expected to be more basic, yes, but the QB will be expected to do more than what happened last year.

Jamal Turner has been quoted as saying how much easier it is to learn at WR than QB, and that was part of the switch.

I think you're off on this. There has been a lot of indication that the audibles will be called from the sideline. It's probably going to a situation where our offense hurries to the line, gets set, then looks to the sideline for the signal.

As for the passing game, the WCO passing game relied on timing. It sounds like this is going to be more sandlot football: Get open and you get the ball. Plus, I think all indications are that we are going to make short passes and rely on our receivers/backs/TEs to get some yards after catch with their speed. Look for the QBs to throw lots of flats, screens, drags, and slants. Not exactly difficult throws.

Jamal Turner's quote cannot be taken as any evidence of how complex our QB's jobs will be. Learning WR will ALWAYS be easier than learning the QB position, no matter how simple or complex the offense is from a QB standpoint. Indeed, it's impossible to imagine an offense where learning WR is as or more complex than learning the QB position.

There's also been direct quotes during interviews from Taylor that he didn't have the freedom to change plays at the line last year, but will this year.

All passing games rely on timing, and precision. Receivers will have more abilitiy to adjust routes, but that doesn't equal "sandlot" football.

You claim the QB will be expected to do less than last year, I ask how that's possible when last year Taylor had 1 play, basically no pre-snap adjustments, and on passing plays basically had 2 reads and then tuck and run. That is as easy as it gets for a QB in the passing game. Beck will throw more at the QB's than Watson did in 2010. Now if you want to compare to what Ganz was asked to do, that's much different. Zac in 09, and especially Taylor in 10 had very little responsibility in the offense.

 

[zoogs]

I am very skeptical about this 'sandlot' offense talk. I think some positive media spin quotes have been taken and carried off to the point where perception is now far from reality. I mean, I would not know, but I'm very worried if we are indeed going to throw a backyard football offense out against D1 defenses.

 

[bshirt]

As long as we don't go back to the 2009 (99th in total offense w/ an easy SOS) offense we're going the right direction.

 

[da skers]

this is not good, Beck better not pull a Watson and have someone ready to play behind this kid, i seriously doubt he will make it though a Big 10 season..contingencies need to be made and i don't mean running the Rex-cat!

Someone will be ready, IMO, and it has little to do with Beck or Watson, and everything to do with:

- Brion being off his redshirt

- Kody being another year removed from his freak injury

- Cody being a year older and a year wiser

Of course, say the #2 guy has injury problems. Then we'll still have problems next year.

Way to jinx a kid. Sounds like shoulder surgery is in his near future.

 

[da skers]

I am very skeptical about this 'sandlot' offense talk. I think some positive media spin quotes have been taken and carried off to the point where perception is now far from reality. I mean, I would not know, but I'm very worried if we are indeed going to throw a backyard football offense out against D1 defenses.

I think your a little confused on what the offense will be like. Its not going to look a lot different that what we were seeing. Yes there will be a few new plays but by and large its going to look pretty similar to what we were already running. The difference is the receiver concepts of being able to change a route mid play instead of running to a spot. We'll also make a lot of calls at the line so we can see how the defense is set up. That will speed up the tempo some since we might not huddle all the time. But the plays themselves, that's not a lot different than TO sending in the play back in the day and once the defense was set the QB called the play to the left or right with an occasion play change. Its not like we'll have 5 receiver sets and running back flank out for a pass. Its very far from anything on a sand lot.

 

[Hunter94]

I am very skeptical about this 'sandlot' offense talk. I think some positive media spin quotes have been taken and carried off to the point where perception is now far from reality. I mean, I would not know, but I'm very worried if we are indeed going to throw a backyard football offense out against D1 defenses.

i agree, winging it isn't a consisent play calling philosophy....this experiment makes me nervous.

 

[zoogs]

I am very skeptical about this 'sandlot' offense talk. I think some positive media spin quotes have been taken and carried off to the point where perception is now far from reality. I mean, I would not know, but I'm very worried if we are indeed going to throw a backyard football offense out against D1 defenses.

I think your a little confused on what the offense will be like. Its not going to look a lot different that what we were seeing. Yes there will be a few new plays but by and large its going to look pretty similar to what we were already running. The difference is the receiver concepts of being able to change a route mid play instead of running to a spot. We'll also make a lot of calls at the line so we can see how the defense is set up. That will speed up the tempo some since we might not huddle all the time. But the plays themselves, that's not a lot different than TO sending in the play back in the day and once the defense was set the QB called the play to the left or right with an occasion play change. Its not like we'll have 5 receiver sets and running back flank out for a pass. Its very far from anything on a sand lot.

Yeah, I didn't think it would be all that different. The way the talk has been though, people are getting the perception of a night-and-day change, sandlot football, etc, which I don't think is what we will actually be trotting onto the field, in spite of any soundbites.

So will we be signalling in audibles from the sidelines ( I guess this was what was done at KU) still?

Also, on Spano... :facepalm: Ouch. Sorry guyz. That's some amount of misfortunate for one guy...

 

[n.e.husker]

Also, on Spano... :facepalm: Ouch. Sorry guyz. That's some amount of misfortunate for one guy...

Any word on Spanos injury? Beck said it wasnt knee related...

 

[skersfan]

Ageed.

But it has been stated that it is the same offense that Taylor ran in high school, or variation of it. He was more known as a passing QB in high school, I think someone stated, so hopefully all will be well.

I too and worried about backups and the likelyhood of Taylor sustaining more injuries in what I feel is more physical conference.

I am guessing we will not learn much from the Spring Game as I doubt he will play much.

 

[Hercules]

I am very skeptical about this 'sandlot' offense talk. I think some positive media spin quotes have been taken and carried off to the point where perception is now far from reality. I mean, I would not know, but I'm very worried if we are indeed going to throw a backyard football offense out against D1 defenses.

i agree, winging it isn't a consisent play calling philosophy....this experiment makes me nervous.

What do you mean, "winging it?" Tim Beck is still going to scheme, just the way every football coach in America does. His players simply have the ability to read the defense and react mid-play, which they couldn't do under Watson, because they were bound to the play-call. That's the whole point of teaching concepts and not just plays, is so that the players understand the bigger picture and can adjust on the field when the defense throws something new at them. The way Beck is coaching our offense is more like how Pelini coaches the defense. It's a good thing.

It's also not really an experiment, they're not doing crazy new things that nobody else has done. Their teaching methods and schemes have been tested throughout the country and throughout the history of college football.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the rhetoric they're using, except that they may be pushing people to have pretty high expectations a little too soon. But they should have high expectations in general - this is Nebraska, and we want our offense to look a million times better than it has the past few years. There's no point in moping around with the rhetoric just because it might not happen right away.

 

[zoogs]

It's not that the expectations are high, it's that people are thinking the offense is going to be something it's not, IMO. If da skers is correct, there's really not much sandlot to it, which is a good thing.

 

[knapplc]

It's not that the expectations are high, it's that people are thinking the offense is going to be something it's not, IMO. If da skers is correct, there's really not much sandlot to it, which is a good thing.

I think it's more a factor of people thinking that people are thinking it's going to be a sandlot offense. Yours was the first one I saw bring that up. Where did that come from? A specific post you read or a specific exchange in a thread, or an overall feeling?

I think we'll find out enough to have an idea this Saturday. Not everything, certainly, and I'm expecting a lot of mistakes, but it'll be enough to give us something to chew on over the next several months.

 

[knapplc]

And to tack on to that last post, I think Bo has shown that he's tactician enough not to just throw a sandlot offense out there. I would be shocked if it wasn't reasonably complex. In fact, the most that seems to have changed is the verbiage, which sounds like a GREAT change, and long overdue.