Solich Bonus

[sd'sker]

The Difference between Solich and Pelini is that Solich's resume has some accomplishments on it as well.

1. Won a Conference Championship

2. Played and Won a BCS bowl.

3, Played for the National Championship.

4. Finished in the Top 10 3 times.

after going 7-7 he fired both of his OC's.

Bo has none of those. The only thing Bo has got is won bowl games and winning the division. I don't think Solich turning it around and getting fired put off coaches as more as his body of work as a coach was.

All true. Except Solich followed Osborne. Bo followed Callahan. The ship was headed in a different direction when Bo took over.

Callahan had talent, he couldn't develop it. Callahan could win except he rather d*** around half the time playing keep away.

How is this a valid response to anything Nuance said? You completely missed his point or you're pretending you did.

Solich still has to coach those teams he just wasn't handed his achievements. Just like Bo had to coach. both were first time head coaches. The year before Callahan's last we made the conference championship game so you can't blame 1 bad year on the program in a horrible state and no doubt would've happened if Callahan had stayed.

he certainly was handed his mnc appearance.

 

[husker_99]

he certainly was handed his mnc appearance.

nope. a lot of teams lost that day.

 

[MLB 51]

he certainly was handed his mnc appearance.

nope. a lot of teams lost that day.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Bottom line: Solich didnt have to spend his first 5 years "fixing sh#t".

 

[Saunders]

Discussing Solich is like talking about boy bands, because they both stopped being relevant a decade ago.

 

[kchusker_chris]

Bottom line: Solich didnt have to spend his first 5 years "fixing sh#t".

Neither did Bo. Most of that was obviously done during the 2008 season. Very little of it carried over into 2009, and almost none of it existed in 2010. The 2008 season and definitely the 2009 season proved Callahan wasn't very far off from what Bo is currently stuck on. If it took him 5 years to fix some cultural issues, invite some past players to the games and rehang some pictures then we're definitely f'd going forward.

Here's a question for everyone. Hypothetically..had we retained Callahan, he fired Coz, then proceeded to post the exact same win/loss records and achieve the same as Bo has over the last 5 years...would he still be here? Or would we be saying...he's had 9 years, this isn't happening. Because I'm not seeing a huge difference between 6 years, an 9 years in the life of a head coach. This is a pivotal year for Bo. End with another 9 win season, and not compete for the CC (we didn't compete last year either)...I just can't see him being here in 2014.

 

[Saunders]

Bottom line: Solich didnt have to spend his first 5 years "fixing sh#t".

Neither did Bo. Most of that was obviously done during the 2008 season. Very little of it carried over into 2009, and almost none of it existed in 2010. The 2008 season and definitely the 2009 season proved Callahan wasn't very far off from what Bo is currently stuck on. If it took him 5 years to fix some cultural issues, invite some past players to the games and rehang some pictures then we're definitely f'd going forward.

Here's a question for everyone. Hypothetically..had we retained Callahan, he fired Coz, then proceeded to post the exact same win/loss records and achieve the same as Bo has over the last 5 years...would he still be here? Or would we be saying...he's had 9 years, this isn't happening. Because I'm not seeing a huge difference between 6 years, an 9 years in the life of a head coach. This is a pivotal year for Bo. End with another 9 win season, and not compete for the CC (we didn't compete last year either)...I just can't see him being here in 2014.

Yes he hasn't won a CC or BCS game, has had some head scratching (and face palming) losses. But, he's still top 20 in winning percentage and has never won less than 9 games (something only 4 teams have done over that period). We learned (the hard way) what happens after you fire a 9 win coach. Coaches that are actually an upgrade from your current HC won't come.

The only way that's remotely plausible is if the 4 losses are by like 5 touchdowns each. And even then, it's a stretch. You'd have to have someone elite or a surefire coach lined up when you pull the trigger. If not and the new guy has any sort of letdown, people are calling for the AD's head.

The fact is, we're stuck in a limbo right now. Pelini's gonna have to crash and burn to get fired.

 

[Landlord]

The difference between Bo and Solich is that there was a noticeable downward trend with Solich's teams. Bo's are staying even keel, with the possibility of going up or down.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Bottom line: Solich didnt have to spend his first 5 years "fixing sh#t".

Neither did Bo. Most of that was obviously done during the 2008 season. Very little of it carried over into 2009, and almost none of it existed in 2010. The 2008 season and definitely the 2009 season proved Callahan wasn't very far off from what Bo is currently stuck on. If it took him 5 years to fix some cultural issues, invite some past players to the games and rehang some pictures then we're definitely f'd going forward.

Here's a question for everyone. Hypothetically..had we retained Callahan, he fired Coz, then proceeded to post the exact same win/loss records and achieve the same as Bo has over the last 5 years...would he still be here? Or would we be saying...he's had 9 years, this isn't happening. Because I'm not seeing a huge difference between 6 years, an 9 years in the life of a head coach. This is a pivotal year for Bo. End with another 9 win season, and not compete for the CC (we didn't compete last year either)...I just can't see him being here in 2014.

You do realize that for our program to be successful to the extreme that we require, there's a lot more to it than just playin football right?

There's a hell of a lot more to it than you think. Took Tom 20 years to build an unstoppable machine built around behind-the-scenes intangibles of which their significance will probably never be known. 20 years. Took Billber and Stevie P 4 to completely tear the house down. We dont just bring in NFL ready guys and win championships. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that here. Bo has said as such publicly on numerous occasions. He's been all over the country. He's said there's no place in the country that operates like Nebraska. He gets it. There's so much more to it than just football. The culture truely is one of a kind. I dont know, maybe me and you are just looking at two different perspectives, but just think about that.

 

[kchusker_chris]

The difference between Bo and Solich is that there was a noticeable downward trend with Solich's teams. Bo's are staying even keel, with the possibility of going up or down.

i don't see going from 7 losses, to 3 as a downward trend. I see 2002 as an anomaly. (honestly, had he been fired after 2002 no one would have complained). But, we fired a coach that had played for a MNC a few years prior, won conference championships, won a ton more games, and most importantly just fixed his one bad season by putting together one of the better defensive units we'd had in a while. Completely different scenario IMO than firing a coach that hasn't achieved much outside of winning most of the games he's supposed to win, and losing a few more in the same category.

I always laugh at those who think coaches would cringe at the thought of getting paid 18 million dollars over 5 years to coach at a top 20 program because we fired a 9 win coach prior to their arrival. NO one expects us to land Urban Meyer or Nick Saban. They wouldn't come here if we had 3 straight losing seasons either. But, there are plenty of coaches that work on 1 year contracts for 500k or less a year that would jump at the chance to make 7 times that, guaranteed for 3-4 years. No coach worth having on your staff would shy away from the Nebraska job because of how the prior coach exited. In fact many would think coming into a winning program would be more appealing than taking over a losing one you have to entirely rebuild. In today's world where you often only get 3-4 years to do it...better to start out at 9 and work your way to 11, than to start out at 6 and still be expected to get to 11. Just my opinion. I know most people think those coaches would rather sit in their coordinator or mid-major job at 500k. Or continue to coach a bottom dweller SEC/Pac12 team with no chance of ever succeeding for 1.3 million over 3.5 million at NU.

 

[Joe_5700]

Bottom line: Solich didnt have to spend his first 5 years "fixing sh#t".

Neither did Bo. Most of that was obviously done during the 2008 season. Very little of it carried over into 2009, and almost none of it existed in 2010. The 2008 season and definitely the 2009 season proved Callahan wasn't very far off from what Bo is currently stuck on. If it took him 5 years to fix some cultural issues, invite some past players to the games and rehang some pictures then we're definitely f'd going forward.

Here's a question for everyone. Hypothetically..had we retained Callahan, he fired Coz, then proceeded to post the exact same win/loss records and achieve the same as Bo has over the last 5 years...would he still be here? Or would we be saying...he's had 9 years, this isn't happening. Because I'm not seeing a huge difference between 6 years, an 9 years in the life of a head coach. This is a pivotal year for Bo. End with another 9 win season, and not compete for the CC (we didn't compete last year either)...I just can't see him being here in 2014.

Even if Coz was fired at the end of the last season with Callahan he would not have been retained. He really turned off the fan base with his reactions and claiming he was doing an excellent job. If Callahan would have retained Pelini and the culture of Nebraska football, then yes he would still be here. Unrelated question...How was Coz able to coach the defense in the bowl against Michigan without any of his starting LB's and have them playing well? Then a few years later completely lose control of his defense?

 

[Landlord]

The difference between Bo and Solich is that there was a noticeable downward trend with Solich's teams. Bo's are staying even keel, with the possibility of going up or down.

i don't see going from 7 losses, to 3 as a downward trend. I see 2002 as an anomaly. (honestly, had he been fired after 2002 no one would have complained). But, we fired a coach that had played for a MNC a few years prior, won conference championships, won a ton more games, and most importantly just fixed his one bad season by putting together one of the better defensive units we'd had in a while. Completely different scenario IMO than firing a coach that hasn't achieved much outside of winning most of the games he's supposed to win, and losing a few more in the same category.

I always laugh at those who think coaches would cringe at the thought of getting paid 18 million dollars over 5 years to coach at a top 20 program because we fired a 9 win coach prior to their arrival. NO one expects us to land Urban Meyer or Nick Saban. They wouldn't come here if we had 3 straight losing seasons either. But, there are plenty of coaches that work on 1 year contracts for 500k or less a year that would jump at the chance to make 7 times that, guaranteed for 3-4 years. No coach worth having on your staff would shy away from the Nebraska job because of how the prior coach exited. In fact many would think coming into a winning program would be more appealing than taking over a losing one you have to entirely rebuild. In today's world where you often only get 3-4 years to do it...better to start out at 9 and work your way to 11, than to start out at 6 and still be expected to get to 11. Just my opinion. I know most people think those coaches would rather sit in their coordinator or mid-major job at 500k. Or continue to coach a bottom dweller SEC/Pac12 team with no chance of ever succeeding for 1.3 million over 3.5 million at NU.

What I saw was an embarassing end to 2001 with Black Friday and getting run off the field by Miami (does a single person in the entire world believe we deserved to play in that game, anyways?), followed by the first non-9-win season in decades, followed by a season that was an improvement, but still featuring some nasty beatdowns and lack of competitiveness at times. Also not mentioned is the significant drop in recruiting.

And as far as coaches not being scared to come here....well, I disagree. Bill Callahan was the best we could find last time, and he was our 4th or 5th pick.

 

[BigRedBuster]

There is a way a 9 win coach can be fired and it's not going to scare anyone away and there is a way to do it and nobody wants to touch the job. Obviously, we have witnessed the wrong way to do it.

 

[kchusker_chris]

What I saw was an embarassing end to 2001 with Black Friday and getting run off the field by Miami (does a single person in the entire world believe we deserved to play in that game, anyways?), followed by the first non-9-win season in decades, followed by a season that was an improvement, but still featuring some nasty beatdowns and lack of competitiveness at times. Also not mentioned is the significant drop in recruiting.

And as far as coaches not being scared to come here....well, I disagree. Bill Callahan was the best we could find last time, and he was our 4th or 5th pick.

What I saw was an embarrassing end to 2012, getting run off the field by Wisconsin (does a single person in the entire world believe after that game either team deserved to be there?), followed by who knows what this season (which is why I think a lot is riding on this season). Also, Pelini's recruiting is still up in the air. Every time a season rolls around when we're supposed to count on his kids, they don't show up. See the 2010 class which was Pelini's "best" - A good chunk are gone/busts. That's your juniors/seniors.

And I have a lot more faith in Eichorst than you do. The firing/search was handled like crap. And I wouldn't doubt that we won't get our first pick. Nebraska rarely does. Highly doubt it would be any different after 3 losing seasons. Do you think more people would want to come to Nebraska after that?

Bo has just done little over the last 5 years to prove to me he is anything more than a D-Coordinator. I think he needs to give up that role, and then maybe I could see it more. But he won't hire anyone into it anyway...so it will always be his achilles heel.

(don't forget the embarrassing end to 2010, and 2011 too).

 

[Count 'Bility]

We deserved to be in the conference championship game last year. Jesus Christ. This is not even a discussion. We won our frickin division. Beat EVERYONE else in our division, on the damn field. That's not even worth discussing as a comparison to backing into an MNC game thanks to a 3 week ridiculous string of upsets and a drunk computer operator that came with .02 points in Nebraska's favor.