***SPOILERS*** Rogue One Plot Discussion ***SPOILERS***

Well, now we know why Luke got the call sign Red Five - the previous Red Five didn't make it out of the battle of Scarif.

Really enjoyed the inclusion of Grand Moff Tarkin. The CGI was a bit wonky, but it was passable. That'll get redone in later versions of this movie and he'll look perfect. Same with Leia at the end. She was good, just not perfect.

It's funny how they treat data in the Star Wars universe. They're locked in to the way we understood data in the 1970s when Lucas first made Star Wars, but by today's standards that kind of data transfer is hokie and unbelievable. We'll just have to look past that as these movies move forward, I guess.

I believe they're going to put R2 & 3PO in every movie, so we'll see them in cameos like this from now on. Kinda like how Marvel uses Stan Lee.

Really, really enjoyed super choppy slashy Darth Vader wielding the Force with extreme prejudice. Puts his character into such better perspective. Casual anger and violence should flow out of him like curses from a sailor.

So many cameos to pick from, and I enjoyed almost all of them. The Red Leader/Gold Leader shots which may very well have been cut scenes from the original filming. Dr. Evazan & Ponda Baba on Jedha, General Dodonna in the rebel council chambers, Vader, Leia & Tarkin. Good stuff that throws us right at the doorstep of A New Hope.

According to a guy on Reddit, who allegedly calculated the distance between Scarif & Tatooine, A New Hope's opening scene takes place about ten hours (the travel time between planets at hyperspeed) after the closing scenes of Rogue One.

 
knapplc said:
Well, now we know why Luke got the call sign Red Five - the previous Red Five didn't make it out of the battle of Scarif.

Really enjoyed the inclusion of Grand Moff Tarkin. The CGI was a bit wonky, but it was passable. That'll get redone in later versions of this movie and he'll look perfect. Same with Leia at the end. She was good, just not perfect.

It's funny how they treat data in the Star Wars universe. They're locked in to the way we understood data in the 1970s when Lucas first made Star Wars, but by today's standards that kind of data transfer is hokie and unbelievable. We'll just have to look past that as these movies move forward, I guess.

I believe they're going to put R2 & 3PO in every movie, so we'll see them in cameos like this from now on. Kinda like how Marvel uses Stan Lee.

Really, really enjoyed super choppy slashy Darth Vader wielding the Force with extreme prejudice. Puts his character into such better perspective. Casual anger and violence should flow out of him like curses from a sailor.

So many cameos to pick from, and I enjoyed almost all of them. The Red Leader/Gold Leader shots which may very well have been cut scenes from the original filming. Dr. Evazan & Ponda Baba on Jedha, General Dodonna in the rebel council chambers, Vader, Leia & Tarkin. Good stuff that throws us right at the doorstep of A New Hope.

According to a guy on Reddit, who allegedly calculated the distance between Scarif & Tatooine, A New Hope's opening scene takes place about ten hours (the travel time between planets at hyperspeed) after the closing scenes of Rogue One.
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I read... and kinda forgot the details, about the pilots. They either had outtakes or the audio from cut scenes from the original.

 
Making Chimichangas said:
Moiraine said:
Question for anyone who's seen it:

Was there any discontinuity between the end of Rogue One and the beginning of A New Hope? I mean, Leia kept telling Vader/Tarkin/the Empire she had no idea what they were talking about and she was on a peaceful diplomatic mission. Why would she even pretend that's the story when Vader was literally right there as the plans were handed over?

Now that I'm done being a nerd... loved seeing Vader being a bad a$$.
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I think that since Leia wasn't there, she didn't know that Vader knew, and so she thought a lie and denial would be sufficient.

Plus, she probably thought her standing in the Senate would provide her some "immunity," Not sure if that's the right word or not.

And on a personal note, while I enjoyed the scenes with Darth Vader, I was a little disappointed at how little screen time he actually had.

So I think, and just opinion here, that there wasn't any discontinuity.
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I was disappointed at first, too, but I ended up loving his screen time for a couple of reasons.

First, we never really see Vader as the merciless, mass murderer that he is in any of the films. If you read some of the lore/books, you get a piece of just how brutal of a killing machine he is. Otherwise, you don't really get the sense that he could kill everybody in the room in one go.

Second, the lack of screen time and then that ruthless assault on the Rebels helped preserve the mythic Vader that was diminished by episodes one, two and three. Rogue One does a pretty good job of referring to him in hushed voices and returning him to his place as a feared being.

All that said, I selfishly wish there had been more Vader time regardless just because he's so cool.

 
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Making Chimichangas said:
Two things about this galaxy that these Star Wars events take place in...

1. Apparently, all the stars and their associated planets in this galaxy are the equivalent of 1-4 light hours away from each other, if that.

2. How are there so many planets and moons with a breathable oxygen atmosphere?

And unrelated, but this is the first Star Wars film that didn't have the words floating through space setting up the movie.
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A couple of things - I think you can easily explain your point number two just based on averages. There are 200 billion galaxies and 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000+ planets out there. It would also take billions of years traveling at light speed to pass the whole galaxy. So, if you can somewhat address the speed problem (light speed) then finding those other planets probably isn't that hard. Our own galaxy would take 100,000 light years to cross.

As to your last point, it took me a bit to realize this, but there was no scroll at the beginning of Rogue One because we're actually watching the scrolling text from A New Hope.

 
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I thought that there was no scroll because this was a Star Wars Story and not a Star Wars Trilogy (Trilogy Trilogy?)

 
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I thought that there was no scroll because this was a Star Wars Story and not a Star Wars Trilogy (Trilogy Trilogy?)
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That's probably true, but, then why did they start the film with the Lucas logo and "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."? That's exactly the same as the other films.
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Enhance89 said:
huKSer said:
I thought that there was no scroll because this was a Star Wars Story and not a Star Wars Trilogy (Trilogy Trilogy?)
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That's probably true, but, then why did they start the film with the Lucas logo and "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."? That's exactly the same as the other films.
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Would they start it with

Episode IIIB

Rogue One

 
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Just got back from seeing it. Holy sh#t that was fantastic! Blew away the expectations I had when they first announced the idea for the movie.

 
I realized I never gave a real review but here we go - as a "film," ignoring that it's a Star Wars film, I gave it 2.5/5 stars.

My biggest problem with it is that it feels overthought and violates some pretty core moviemaking rules. The film introduces so many characters and feelings that we're supposed to care about but we get virtually no time to care or give a damn about some of them. Just one example is Saw Gerrera, a man they want us to feel some kind of attachment to but then they kill of quickly. One universal truth about films is if you want people to care then you have to give them time, and we barely get much of it as a general rule.

It's like watching a tower of legos fall to the ground - you can physically see what's happening but the details are blurred and moving too quickly.

The writing is also, for the most part, underwhelming. Movies use cameras as a visual medium to show us things and this movie would just rather TELL the audience things we already know or things we can see, which is one of the biggest writing mistakes you can make in general. You have a camera for a reason.

Overall, though, the movie was fun and entertaining which is why it redeems itself a little. The Vader scene at the end is incredible, Donnie Yen's character is pretty great and it's fun to watch it all unfold. But, as just a face-value movie, I was a little disappointed.

 
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1995 Redux said:
Maybe I'm the minority, but I thought they did incredible with Tarkin.
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They did as well as they could. Which is pretty impressive, but still hit the uncanny valley. It didn't bother me as much the 2nd time I watched the movie, but I can definitely see why people have issues with it.

 
They definitely did do incredible, but it was going to be impossible for them to get all the way there. Even if the tech was flawless, this movie was lit a lot differently than the original, and since none of us have much of a clue who that guy is outside of A New Hope, we equate the very specific ways his face looks in that to how he actually looks period.

I was a fan of them doing it, but I think they went a little heavy-handed on him. At least 2-3 scenes done from more of a distance, or over hologram, would have gone a long way.

 
So....just saw the movie this weekend.

Am I correct that the main gist of this movie is for these people to steal the plans for the Death Star so that Luke can destroy it in the first movie?

 
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