Sportingnews Ranks the B1G Coaches

[kchusker_chris]

^ we seem to have switched conferences in the middle of Bo's "process". i'm doing my best to write off last year. but pressure is on.

Agreed, and I've given that caveat myself in past conversations. It's legit - but that doesn't mean progress is allowed to stop.

We're starting walk-ons while scholarship athletes ride the bench. Again stealing material from Sam's chat yesterday - we've probably offered schollies to several guys who should not have scholarships in the last couple of years. We need bodies, but we need to get better bodies.

This time last year we heard all about how much depth we had across both lines. We didn't have depth, we had bodies. They're not terrible players, but they're not Conference Championship players, and we need to get those guys to make the next step up. Even if we'd have stayed in the Big XII we wouldn't have had the horses last year.

I think this is what you & Chris are missing is.....we "are" bringing in lots & lots of mean uglies on both sides of the ball the last couple of years. This year is when we'll start seeing them. This year is when we'll actually have some real talent and depth on the Oline (something like 10,000 years ago was the last time).

Either this year or next year we'll have that for the DLine too. Or at least it's quite probable.

Here's what you two so desperately need.....

:koolaid2:

haha, thank you sir. but I disagree with you a little. did Bo not bring in big uglies (specifically OL) his first couple of years? What about Stein (switched), Henry (gone), and Thompson (no impact yet). Or how about the following year when we though we'd finally gotten a really solid OL class with Nick Ash, Coffey, Qvale and Sirles? While some have played, none have made their mark. Then in 10'...remember how high we were on ARod, Moudy and Hardrick (now gone)?

Point is...almost every year we we sign 3-4 big uglies. The 11' and 12' classes aren't unique in that sense. 12' only has 2. Tyler Moore certainly stands above most in the Pelini era...but the OL guys seem to fizzle out each year. I haven't seen a dramatic change in the recruiting. But I don't think recruiting is our issue on the OL. So all this "depth" we talk about - is similar to the depth we talk about each offseason. Remember the depth on the DL last offseason? And each year when we hit the midway point we have to listen to how we're dinged up on the OL, and then we see a couple walk-ons that weren't even on the radar going into the season (when we discuss all this depth) pop into the starting rotation.

Why is it that teams like Wisconsin and Iowa can survive a season with most of their core OL in tact? In 4 years we haven't done it once yet. Is it Dobson? Is it the way we practice? The offensive scheme asking too much? To much risk to the big guys with the all the motion?

I don't much of a reason to believe this season will be very different on the OL. I'm hoping the changes Beck makes has an impact on their play though.

 

[Saunders]

Ps. Saunder45 - God Bless your Grandfather... it's great to see you with him during this time... I have had both my parents in hospice and it is not easy for the family at all. Your Grandfather is in our prayers...

Thanks for the kind words. It's been a tough week, and I appreciate it. Cancer sucks.

 

[Husker_x]

For me the honeymoon ended last season. The Holiday Bowl was a horrific event in our collective football modern history, but the reality is we were an under motivated team playing some scrubs from the Pac-10 we'd already beaten silly once before. Our limping QB wasn't up to it and yack yack blah. Excuses rain down. My real reason for concern is that there seems to be a downward trend on defense, the one thing I previously thought was going to anchor this team forever. Part of this has to do with shifting conferences, and part of it has to do with the fact that we're so thin at DT, if we'd had a spring game, there would have been guys playing two ways. This is after last year's disastrous defensive showing at all levels. I have no hope--none, nadda, nil--that the defense is going to be any better this year than it was last year. And if anyone has a single good reason to think it might, be prepared to hear the name "Lavonte David" combined with "absent" a lot in my followup response. Pelini is a mediocrity at this point. 9 wins a year is great. I don't think he can sustain that very long with the kind of 'talent' he had in the secondary last year. I'm also utterly underwhelmed with his appointments at both coordinator spots. I see this as a crucial season for Pelini. Not that I think he'll be fired if he has another letdown year like last year, but fan perception is a funny thing. It can shift, and once it starts to shift, it just gets worse and worse.

Who p#ssed in your cheerios boy?

:lol:

I've overdosed on fluff one too many times. It turns cheerios--and basically everything else--a depressing shade of gray.

 

[Hunter94]

^ we seem to have switched conferences in the middle of Bo's "process". i'm doing my best to write off last year. but pressure is on.

Agreed, and I've given that caveat myself in past conversations. It's legit - but that doesn't mean progress is allowed to stop.

We're starting walk-ons while scholarship athletes ride the bench. Again stealing material from Sam's chat yesterday - we've probably offered schollies to several guys who should not have scholarships in the last couple of years. We need bodies, but we need to get better bodies.

This time last year we heard all about how much depth we had across both lines. We didn't have depth, we had bodies. They're not terrible players, but they're not Conference Championship players, and we need to get those guys to make the next step up. Even if we'd have stayed in the Big XII we wouldn't have had the horses last year.

I think this is what you & Chris are missing is.....we "are" bringing in lots & lots of mean uglies on both sides of the ball the last couple of years. This year is when we'll start seeing them. This year is when we'll actually have some real talent and depth on the Oline (something like 10,000 years ago was the last time).

Either this year or next year we'll have that for the DLine too. Or at least it's quite probable.

Here's what you two so desperately need.....

:koolaid2:

haha, thank you sir. but I disagree with you a little. did Bo not bring in big uglies (specifically OL) his first couple of years? What about Stein (switched), Henry (gone), and Thompson (no impact yet). Or how about the following year when we though we'd finally gotten a really solid OL class with Nick Ash, Coffey, Qvale and Sirles? While some have played, none have made their mark. Then in 10'...remember how high we were on ARod, Moudy and Hardrick (now gone)?

Point is...almost every year we we sign 3-4 big uglies. The 11' and 12' classes aren't unique in that sense. 12' only has 2. Tyler Moore certainly stands above most in the Pelini era...but the OL guys seem to fizzle out each year. I haven't seen a dramatic change in the recruiting. But I don't think recruiting is our issue on the OL. So all this "depth" we talk about - is similar to the depth we talk about each offseason. Remember the depth on the DL last offseason? And each year when we hit the midway point we have to listen to how we're dinged up on the OL, and then we see a couple walk-ons that weren't even on the radar going into the season (when we discuss all this depth) pop into the starting rotation.

Why is it that teams like Wisconsin and Iowa can survive a season with most of their core OL in tact? In 4 years we haven't done it once yet. Is it Dobson? Is it the way we practice? The offensive scheme asking too much? To much risk to the big guys with the all the motion?

I don't much of a reason to believe this season will be very different on the OL. I'm hoping the changes Beck makes has an impact on their play though.

a lot of good questions and observations........i don't know the answers either.

 

[Hunter94]

Ps. Saunder45 - God Bless your Grandfather... it's great to see you with him during this time... I have had both my parents in hospice and it is not easy for the family at all. Your Grandfather is in our prayers...

Thanks for the kind words. It's been a tough week, and I appreciate it. Cancer sucks.

hang in there saunders, i lost my dad to cancer 11 years ago, was with him in hospice when he passed, prayers for your grand dad and your family.

 

[bshirt]

Ps. Saunder45 - God Bless your Grandfather... it's great to see you with him during this time... I have had both my parents in hospice and it is not easy for the family at all. Your Grandfather is in our prayers...

Thanks for the kind words. It's been a tough week, and I appreciate it. Cancer sucks.

I lost my Dad 15 years ago and there's nothing even remotely as tough in life as that. "Nothing" even close.

Hang in there the best you can, compadre'. That's all anyone can do.

 

[BlueInTheFace]

The only coach who I have issues with, or issues with the attention they get, is Hoke. I'm not impressed with him in the slightest. The rest aren't worth mentioning....except for Kill and that's only to point out that he sucks...bad.

I don't understand how you can be unimpressed with Hoke. I understand the idea that one season isn't enough to judge him on yet, but he just went 11-2 with a BCS bowl in his first year. If he does go 8-4 next year, then I'd say you have a right to be unimpressed.

That being said, I think Nebraska should hire Brian Kelly.

 

[hskrfan4life]

I agree with his position, he hasn't impressed me yet. I'm waiting for that real big win. Also a season where we beat teams like we should...

 

[ladyhawke]

The only coach who I have issues with, or issues with the attention they get, is Hoke. I'm not impressed with him in the slightest. The rest aren't worth mentioning....except for Kill and that's only to point out that he sucks...bad.

I don't understand how you can be unimpressed with Hoke. I understand the idea that one season isn't enough to judge him on yet, but he just went 11-2 with a BCS bowl in his first year. If he does go 8-4 next year, then I'd say you have a right to be unimpressed.

That being said, I think Nebraska should hire Brian Kelly.

Why?

 

[ladyhawke]

I agree with most of what's been said in here. I was bored yesterday (sitting at the hospice with my granfather) so I did this. Take it FWIW.

Top 25 from 2012

Top 25 from 2012 - Sorted by winning percentage (minimum 4 years, Bo's tenure)

Sorry to hear about your Grandad. Thanks for the info. Bo looks pretty good when you look at that second table.

 

[tschu]

I personally think Hoke is easily the 2nd best coach in the conference. Little over a year in and he's got a BCS bowl win and like every single big recruit possible. God dammit I'm gonna take a shot because our program sucks a$$ right now in comparison

 

[Enhance]

The most impressive thing about Hoke has been the defensive transformation, because they were just god-awful under Rich Rod.

 

[carlfense]

Agree. Hoke is an impressive coach. You are what your record says you are. BCS game and 11 wins? Good coach.

 

[Excel]

Hoke's initial season is impressive, at least when you just say 11-2 and a BCS win.

But if you are what your record says you are then Hoke is a mediocre coach. 58-52 overall...and outside of a good game against NU what else is on his resume? Beating an ACC team that lost twice to a team that lost its bowl game 70-33? Oh he beat Ohio State for the first time in years! Nevermind it was a huge down year for the Buckeyes...

Maybe I'm just nostalgic for the Carr years or maybe its that I don't like how he has to wear short sleeved shirts in any weather and sounds like he's straining to take a poo when he talks...I just don't know. But I do know that I am tired of seeing him mentioned in the top three or so coaches in the league and among the top 15 in the country. He's not. Maybe he will be someday but he isn't now.

 

[Muck]

That being said, I think Nebraska should hire Brian Kelly.

Why do you hate Nebraska?