Suh welcomes Andy Dalton to the NFL

zoogies said:
Man, at no point was Andy Dalton in any kind of danger. It was not a crushing hit in the slightest.
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I never even referenced the Dalton hit. I said Suh lays down crushing hits on a regular basis. And I definitely stand by that statement.

I'm saying the response by the NFL and the fine levied is more a result of the fact that the NFL has ex-players shivering like leaves on trees in November all over the country and less a direct response to the severity of the hit itself.

Personally, I prefer defense to offense. I HATE the rules in the NFL that limit big hits and stout defense. They're even trying to take kickoff returns out of the equation in the professional game at this point. I dunno if your post was in response to mine, but I sure as hell don't want to give the impression that I'm a fan of excising the friggin soul out of the game by eliminating hard hits and physicality.

I'm just saying that guys are, you know, getting delirious and demented in their late 40's and shooting themselves in the face and stuff. And that's probably an issue the NFL is taking into consideration when they clamp down on guys like Harrison and our legend out of Lincoln.

 
Nebula said:
zoogies said:
Man, at no point was Andy Dalton in any kind of danger. It was not a crushing hit in the slightest.
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I never even referenced the Dalton hit. I said Suh lays down crushing hits on a regular basis. And I definitely stand by that statement.

I'm saying the response by the NFL and the fine levied is more a result of the fact that the NFL has ex-players shivering like leaves on trees in November all over the country and less a direct response to the severity of the hit itself.

Personally, I prefer defense to offense. I HATE the rules in the NFL that limit big hits and stout defense. They're even trying to take kickoff returns out of the equation in the professional game at this point. I dunno if your post was in response to mine, but I sure as hell don't want to give the impression that I'm a fan of excising the friggin soul out of the game by eliminating hard hits and physicality.

I'm just saying that guys are, you know, getting delirious and demented in their late 40's and shooting themselves in the face and stuff. And that's probably an issue the NFL is taking into consideration when they clamp down on guys like Harrison and our legend out of Lincoln.
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Sorry, it was more of a response in general to the $20k fine than it was to your post.

I am definitely in the corner that the game needs to be safer. The NFL needs a strong push for safety standards. But it needs to be a push in the right direction. This fine on Suh is misdirected, because in this specific instance Dalton could hardly have been guided to the turf more softly.

The NFL needs to enforce it where it counts, and stop punishing Suh for these slow-paced throwdowns.

 
Drowning_in_the_Sea_of_Red said:
knapplc said:
That explains Suh's tweet this AM:

$20,000REALLY???!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #NFL #BIGFAIL
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I wouldn't be surprised if he gets fined for that, too.
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I thought this also or he getting fined way more the next time because of this.

The only thing that comes to my mind for the NFL's future is the opening of Basketball when they were prancing around after the touch down.

 
GSG5545 said:
This sh#t is getting ridiculous. They're really out to make Suh seem like a dirty player. Check out this quote from an ESPN article:

Detroit's second exhibition game is Friday at Cleveland. Browns offensive tackle Joe Thomas said he and his teammates are mindful of what Suh can do.
"Everybody sees it and it's the back of your head, but it's not really something you worry about," Thomas said. "Most of our focus and attention is between the whistles and it seems he's getting a name for himself for what happens after the whistle."
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp11/story/_/id/6870889/ndamukong-suh-detroit-lions-fined-20k-slamming-andy-dalton-cincinnati-bengals

When have ANY of Suh's penalized hits been "AFTER the whistle"?!
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He better hope Suh doesn't hear about that. Joe won't even be able to hear the whistle for all the ringing in his head when Suh gets done with him if he did hear about it.

 
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zoogies said:
Sorry, it was more of a response in general to the $20k fine than it was to your post.

I am definitely in the corner that the game needs to be safer. The NFL needs a strong push for safety standards. But it needs to be a push in the right direction. This fine on Suh is misdirected, because in this specific instance Dalton could hardly have been guided to the turf more softly.

The NFL needs to enforce it where it counts, and stop punishing Suh for these slow-paced throwdowns.
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No worries man. I'd like to see a safer game too, but I gotta be honest, the violence of the game is one of the main things that attracts me to it.

It's heartrending to read about some of those ex-players who can't function on an even basic level though, it truly is. I just don't know how they can effectively adopt and enforce rules that curb injury inducing blows without stripping the game of one it's most fundamental aspects, namely, hard hits.

Especially now that these guys are the size of Mack trucks with the speed of a cheetah on high octane crank.

 
Like I was implying above. You can't protect these players. It's what they do. That's why I don't understand why people complain about the amount of money these guys make. They're going to be a wreck in their 40's and lucky to live to see their late 60's.

 
Regardless of whether people feel this play was or wasn't dirty, the NFL has drawn a line when it comes to quarterback protection and Suh seems to find a way to step over that line. It doesn't matter whether people agree with the call or not because what the NFL says matters, not what we say.

I like Suh's aggressiveness and don't believe he his a dirty player. However, he needs to know this kind of behavior will get him into trouble and he needs to put a cap on it. Be aggressive, be fierce, but don't get into trouble.

The good news is that this isn't that dirty of a play imho. Sure, it might be dirty in the sense that he took him down after the player was over, but it doesn't look like he tried to completely throttle Dalton. My advice is suck it up Dalton - you'll receive far worse throughout your career.

 
Nebula said:
zoogies said:
Man, at no point was Andy Dalton in any kind of danger. It was not a crushing hit in the slightest.
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I never even referenced the Dalton hit. I said Suh lays down crushing hits on a regular basis. And I definitely stand by that statement.

I'm saying the response by the NFL and the fine levied is more a result of the fact that the NFL has ex-players shivering like leaves on trees in November all over the country and less a direct response to the severity of the hit itself.

Personally, I prefer defense to offense. I HATE the rules in the NFL that limit big hits and stout defense. They're even trying to take kickoff returns out of the equation in the professional game at this point. I dunno if your post was in response to mine, but I sure as hell don't want to give the impression that I'm a fan of excising the friggin soul out of the game by eliminating hard hits and physicality.

I'm just saying that guys are, you know, getting delirious and demented in their late 40's and shooting themselves in the face and stuff. And that's probably an issue the NFL is taking into consideration when they clamp down on guys like Harrison and our legend out of Lincoln.
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That has nothing to do with why the NFL is protecting the QB. It is about protecting the owner's large investments in QB's. It has everything to do with money and nothing to do with the player's well-being.

 
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I agree that the NFL is drawing a line, but if they keep redrawing it, the QB is going to be laughed at worse then the kicker is now.

 
HuskerGBR said:
That has nothing to do with why the NFL is protecting the QB. It is about protecting the owner's large investments in QB's. It has everything to do with money and nothing to do with the player's well-being.
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Personal injury litigation has to do with money, too. The NFL is looking at potentially huge financial liabilities tied directly to the well-being of the players you cite as irrelevant to owners. The two things are not mutually exclusive. The owners care about the well-being of the players because that affects the value of their investments.

I agree it has everything to do with money. That's why I stated earlier in this thread that the NFL is looking a litigious nightmare and acting accordingly. That's a money issue, not a humanist endeavor. And that extends to injuries involving players at every position, not just the percentage of money tied up in quarterback salaries.

 
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