talent coaching recruiting stars.......

BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA said:
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whoa... a post about the actual thread.. thanks.

I agree. the scary thing about the season is that so much depends on bo IMO. while he has SAID all of the right things, and is a very good D coordinator, we don't know how he will handle the transition to HC. Billy boy didn't do so well. I am counting on him being above average, and thus the 7 wins. but if he isn't... we could be looking at another losing season. you know and it might take time for bo to learn stuff. we could have a losing season and B o sill turn out OK. its a tough situation

 
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melscott, I hear what you're saying. This year, it is all about saying the right things & getting this team back on track. If they dont progress this year, if they fubar again, then it's going to take a long long time.

Last year shellshocked all of us. It was pathetic and made us all upset, pissed off, short with the dog, etc.

Well heck, I bet "OLDMAN" used to be "YOUNGMAN" before last season. Kidding of course, but see what I'm saying?

What I am concerned about is our conference. I do not want to see smoke & mirrors through the first four games. I want to see the non-conference games be utilized to the fullest to get guys reps & build confidence and mature together as a team. Progress. And learn from their mistakes. By then we should all know who "gets it" and goes from good player to great player. It's a perfect time - this year - first four games - to throw the guys out there who havent played or havent played much to make an impression.

Next year I will be more concerned with the non-conference thing in how it affects our overall record.

My take.

 
melscott62 said:
BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA said:
We'll have some answers in 11 days.
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whoa... a post about the actual thread.. thanks.

I agree. the scary thing about the season is that so much depends on bo IMO. while he has SAID all of the right things, and is a very good D coordinator, we don't know how he will handle the transition to HC. Billy boy didn't do so well. I am counting on him being above average, and thus the 7 wins. but if he isn't... we could be looking at another losing season. you know and it might take time for bo to learn stuff. we could have a losing season and B o sill turn out OK. its a tough situation
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Melscott:

I'll answer the thread content head on. First, I agree that 7 wins is what to expect --- and that 6 wins is not that unlikely. That said, I am not convinced that NU has that much talent. Of course relativistic measurements are best when such a statement is made. I'd say that OU, TT, Texas and Missouri almost certainly have more talent (better combination of accross the board size, strength, speed, quickness = athleticism which is coupled with developed football skill). Also, the top 3-5 of every major conference in the nation would also have more talent than NU. That is, at least 20 or so programs have superior talent compared to NU. There is likely an equal number of programs now --- say 20 or so --- that are comparable in talent (TA&M, Colorado, Kansas among them). So, NU has, most likely #30 or so in talent, or there abouts. If anything, this assessment is granting NU more than it is due --- I'm probably over estimating the talent some. Given our schedule with Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, and VT, we play six teams with better (or at the very least comparable talent) --- that is tough.

So, if we do win just seven games I'd not say it was coaching but rather our talent level that is the limiting factor.

It is true that problems with conditioning, heart, preparation, scheme and lack of confidence were all contributers to the carnage of last season. Most all of that should be fixed (except the lack of confidence --- I don't care what anyone says, the devastation of last year doe matter this year, the confidence lost will have lasting effects). Pelini and crew will address this all. But.... he is limited with this group of players.

Hopefully he can get these kids to over-achieve so that hope is restored and so that recruits will be more prone to go to NU. That said, until such happens, not much will change --- no matter how good the coaching, mid-conferecne to upper mid-conference standing is all one can expect.

 
robsker said:
melscott62 said:
BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA said:
We'll have some answers in 11 days.
Click to expand...

whoa... a post about the actual thread.. thanks.

I agree. the scary thing about the season is that so much depends on bo IMO. while he has SAID all of the right things, and is a very good D coordinator, we don't know how he will handle the transition to HC. Billy boy didn't do so well. I am counting on him being above average, and thus the 7 wins. but if he isn't... we could be looking at another losing season. you know and it might take time for bo to learn stuff. we could have a losing season and B o sill turn out OK. its a tough situation
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Melscott:

I'll answer the thread content head on. First, I agree that 7 wins is what to expect --- and that 6 wins is not that unlikely. That said, I am not convinced that NU has that much talent. Of course relativistic measurements are best when such a statement is made. I'd say that OU, TT, Texas and Missouri almost certainly have more talent (better combination of accross the board size, strength, speed, quickness = athleticism which is coupled with developed football skill). Also, the top 3-5 of every major conference in the nation would also have more talent than NU. That is, at least 20 or so programs have superior talent compared to NU. There is likely an equal number of programs now --- say 20 or so --- that are comparable in talent (TA&M, Colorado, Kansas among them). So, NU has, most likely #30 or so in talent, or there abouts. If anything, this assessment is granting NU more than it is due --- I'm probably over estimating the talent some. Given our schedule with Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, and VT, we play six teams with better (or at the very least comparable talent) --- that is tough.

So, if we do win just seven games I'd not say it was coaching but rather our talent level that is the limiting factor.

It is true that problems with conditioning, heart, preparation, scheme and lack of confidence were all contributers to the carnage of last season. Most all of that should be fixed (except the lack of confidence --- I don't care what anyone says, the devastation of last year doe matter this year, the confidence lost will have lasting effects). Pelini and crew will address this all. But.... he is limited with this group of players.

Hopefully he can get these kids to over-achieve so that hope is restored and so that recruits will be more prone to go to NU. That said, until such happens, not much will change --- no matter how good the coaching, mid-conferecne to upper mid-conference standing is all one can expect.
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1.) You believe this based upon....?

2.) Those five things you mentioned as contributing factors to the 2007 season is comparable to saying that Nazi Germany's problems with manpower, inferior technology, a dual-front war, garrisoning Italy, and an unreasonable dictator without a doubt contributed to its defeat. What, exactly, is left to talk about? Bad coaching masks good talent. I see no way for you to make a statement about the overall talent level of this team because you have nothing to go on. Quitters are always quitters like night always follows day? What's broken today can't be fixed tomorrow? You may be right about the talent level. It should be abundantly clear come the middle of October. But as many have said, this isn't Bo Pelini's first rodeo. It isn't his first time taking the hand of a defensive unit that lacked belief in itself. You don't have to be a homer, but the coaches seem to disagree with your assessment.

 
robsker said:
melscott62 said:
BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA said:
We'll have some answers in 11 days.
Click to expand...

whoa... a post about the actual thread.. thanks.

I agree. the scary thing about the season is that so much depends on bo IMO. while he has SAID all of the right things, and is a very good D coordinator, we don't know how he will handle the transition to HC. Billy boy didn't do so well. I am counting on him being above average, and thus the 7 wins. but if he isn't... we could be looking at another losing season. you know and it might take time for bo to learn stuff. we could have a losing season and B o sill turn out OK. its a tough situation
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Melscott:

I'll answer the thread content head on. First, I agree that 7 wins is what to expect --- and that 6 wins is not that unlikely. That said, I am not convinced that NU has that much talent. Of course relativistic measurements are best when such a statement is made. I'd say that OU, TT, Texas and Missouri almost certainly have more talent (better combination of accross the board size, strength, speed, quickness = athleticism which is coupled with developed football skill). Also, the top 3-5 of every major conference in the nation would also have more talent than NU. That is, at least 20 or so programs have superior talent compared to NU. There is likely an equal number of programs now --- say 20 or so --- that are comparable in talent (TA&M, Colorado, Kansas among them). So, NU has, most likely #30 or so in talent, or there abouts. If anything, this assessment is granting NU more than it is due --- I'm probably over estimating the talent some. Given our schedule with Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, and VT, we play six teams with better (or at the very least comparable talent) --- that is tough.

So, if we do win just seven games I'd not say it was coaching but rather our talent level that is the limiting factor.

It is true that problems with conditioning, heart, preparation, scheme and lack of confidence were all contributers to the carnage of last season. Most all of that should be fixed (except the lack of confidence --- I don't care what anyone says, the devastation of last year doe matter this year, the confidence lost will have lasting effects). Pelini and crew will address this all. But.... he is limited with this group of players.

Hopefully he can get these kids to over-achieve so that hope is restored and so that recruits will be more prone to go to NU. That said, until such happens, not much will change --- no matter how good the coaching, mid-conferecne to upper mid-conference standing is all one can expect.
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if CU has more talent hawkins is as bad of a coach as cally......

 
"Quitters are always quitters like night always follows day? What's broken today can't be fixed tomorrow? You may be right about the talent level. It should be abundantly clear come the middle of October. But as many have said, this isn't Bo Pelini's first rodeo. It isn't his first time taking the hand of a defensive unit that lacked belief in itself. You don't have to be a homer, but the coaches seem to disagree with your assessment."

:yeah

Remember how it felt to see USC take apart our Dline on national T.V.? Or OSU merrily parading around memorial stadium like they owned it? The mass exodus of "the greatest fans in college football"? Beating KSt by 42, only to drop a turd against CU?

Imagine how you would feel if you where a part of it? Of course they quite! We had quite on them!

An adjustment back to fundamental football will do wonders for this team. The talent is there it's up to these coaches to pull it out of them. (and us to support them)

Let the naysayers say what they want, I'm just ready for some college football; where anything can happen!

 
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huzkerbob said:
"Quitters are always quitters like night always follows day? What's broken today can't be fixed tomorrow? You may be right about the talent level. It should be abundantly clear come the middle of October. But as many have said, this isn't Bo Pelini's first rodeo. It isn't his first time taking the hand of a defensive unit that lacked belief in itself. You don't have to be a homer, but the coaches seem to disagree with your assessment."

:yeah

Remember how it felt to see USC take apart our Dline on national T.V.? Or OSU merrily parading around memorial stadium like they owned it? The mass exodus of "the greatest fans in college football"? Beating KSt by 42, only to drop a turd against CU?

Imagine how you would feel if you where a part of it? Of course they quite! We had quite on them!

An adjustment back to fundamental football will do wonders for this team. The talent is there it's up to these coaches to pull it out of them. (and us to support them)

Let the naysayers say what they want, I'm just ready for some college football; where anything can happen!
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I couldn't have said it better myself. If I had been in the players' position last year and the coaches kept putting me 10 yds out of position and not making any adjustments, why keep busting my a$$ when the coaches kept blaming the players. WE HAVE TALENT. Lets see what happens this year now that we know that fundamentals and the little things are being taught again, plus schemes that have worked against the best teams in the country.

 
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Husker_x said:
robsker said:
melscott62 said:
BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA said:
We'll have some answers in 11 days.
Click to expand...

whoa... a post about the actual thread.. thanks.

I agree. the scary thing about the season is that so much depends on bo IMO. while he has SAID all of the right things, and is a very good D coordinator, we don't know how he will handle the transition to HC. Billy boy didn't do so well. I am counting on him being above average, and thus the 7 wins. but if he isn't... we could be looking at another losing season. you know and it might take time for bo to learn stuff. we could have a losing season and B o sill turn out OK. its a tough situation
Click to expand...

Melscott:

I'll answer the thread content head on. First, I agree that 7 wins is what to expect --- and that 6 wins is not that unlikely. That said, I am not convinced that NU has that much talent. Of course relativistic measurements are best when such a statement is made. I'd say that OU, TT, Texas and Missouri almost certainly have more talent (better combination of accross the board size, strength, speed, quickness = athleticism which is coupled with developed football skill). Also, the top 3-5 of every major conference in the nation would also have more talent than NU. That is, at least 20 or so programs have superior talent compared to NU. There is likely an equal number of programs now --- say 20 or so --- that are comparable in talent (TA&M, Colorado, Kansas among them). So, NU has, most likely #30 or so in talent, or there abouts. If anything, this assessment is granting NU more than it is due --- I'm probably over estimating the talent some. Given our schedule with Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, and VT, we play six teams with better (or at the very least comparable talent) --- that is tough.

So, if we do win just seven games I'd not say it was coaching but rather our talent level that is the limiting factor.

It is true that problems with conditioning, heart, preparation, scheme and lack of confidence were all contributers to the carnage of last season. Most all of that should be fixed (except the lack of confidence --- I don't care what anyone says, the devastation of last year doe matter this year, the confidence lost will have lasting effects). Pelini and crew will address this all. But.... he is limited with this group of players.

Hopefully he can get these kids to over-achieve so that hope is restored and so that recruits will be more prone to go to NU. That said, until such happens, not much will change --- no matter how good the coaching, mid-conferecne to upper mid-conference standing is all one can expect.
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1.) You believe this based upon....?

2.) Those five things you mentioned as contributing factors to the 2007 season is comparable to saying that Nazi Germany's problems with manpower, inferior technology, a dual-front war, garrisoning Italy, and an unreasonable dictator without a doubt contributed to its defeat. What, exactly, is left to talk about? Bad coaching masks good talent. I see no way for you to make a statement about the overall talent level of this team because you have nothing to go on. Quitters are always quitters like night always follows day? What's broken today can't be fixed tomorrow? You may be right about the talent level. It should be abundantly clear come the middle of October. But as many have said, this isn't Bo Pelini's first rodeo. It isn't his first time taking the hand of a defensive unit that lacked belief in itself. You don't have to be a homer, but the coaches seem to disagree with your assessment.
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Melscott:

You are correct what I stated does equate to the description of Nazi Germany's problems --- in that both assessments are true.

As for how I can assert that we likely have mid-conference to upper-midconference level talent (rather than top 25 or 30 talent) is based upon three or so observations. One is the lack of team speed on both sides of the ball. Watch Florida, USC, Ohio State, LSU, for that matter most of the SEC and Pac 10... any of the teams in the top say 20 or so in the nation and you will see anywhere from night and day difference in speed relative to NU (NU of course much, much slower) to perhaps just a modest speed advantage over NU. Two, check the physicality of the LB, the secondary the WR of the top tier programs and look at the guns they are sporting compared to the guys at NU (on average). Look at the fat of the guys in the trenches at NU relative to the top tier teams. Watch the DL and OL at NU manhandled game after game --- and you have to conclude that the strength and strength-to-weight ratio at the top programs exceeds that at NU by anywhere from a meaningful but small amount to a large and overwhelming amount. Three, in terms of skill position elusiveness, open field explosiveness, ability to break tackles, etc. the skill position players at NU, as a group (going say two-three deep in the rotation) are clearly and obviously nowhere near that of the top 2-3 programs in each conference and more akin to the next 2-3 in each conference. This is clear.

I point out that the Huskers have mid-conference to upper mid-conference talent so as to temper the expectations that are placed on the coaches here. I keep reading that NU has 9-10 win talent on the squad and all the coaches need to do is get them playing and it will happen. This implys that if NU wins 6-7 games instead of 9-10 that people will go off on these coaches and say that they failed. That is unfair to these coaches. The talent here is 6-7 win talent against the schedule we have. If NU wins 8 games then Pelini is a miracle worker. Recognizing the talent limitations at NU enables a fair assessment of the coaches. Without people pointing out the deficiencies in talent, if NU were to win 8 games "only" many would brand Pelini a failure (or at least question his ability) when, in reality, they should be mightily impressed.

Note: for the sake of the argument here I have included physicality (size, conditioning, speed, strength, strength-to-weight ratio) as part of talent.

 
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