Tech afterthought
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RandyFloyd
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pessimism : A tendency to take the least hopeful view, as of a situation, or to
anticipate the worst.
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anticipate the worst.
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StuckinChicago
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I agree. I myself posted on this thread earlier, but I attacked the comments, not former fan. If you want to do that, take it to the woodshed. Most of your posts dont even mention a single part of his post.
Thanks SC. I will go ahead and get back on subject, and hopefully Blackshirt or DaveH will move most of the posts on this thread to the Woodshed.
FF has some good points in some of his posts, and I don't always disagree with him. But I sure do here. As for the Blackshirts, I was impressed how they played, especially from the middle of the second quarter to the end. FF said Cozgrove's defense will not compete against top teams. At the very least, TTU is a top offense. It is one of the most difficult to defend against. And NU stopped it most of the time after it spotted TTU 21 points.
FF indicated NU can't defend against speed. What do you call TTU, slow? That is as fast of an offense we will face this year, and is probably one of the fastest in the country. From what I'm seeing, Cozgrove is doing a great job.
I will say that we got a lot of football left, and my final judgement won't come until the end of the season, hopefully after a bowl game. But I like what I'm seeing so far.
FF has some good points in some of his posts, and I don't always disagree with him. But I sure do here. As for the Blackshirts, I was impressed how they played, especially from the middle of the second quarter to the end. FF said Cozgrove's defense will not compete against top teams. At the very least, TTU is a top offense. It is one of the most difficult to defend against. And NU stopped it most of the time after it spotted TTU 21 points.
FF indicated NU can't defend against speed. What do you call TTU, slow? That is as fast of an offense we will face this year, and is probably one of the fastest in the country. From what I'm seeing, Cozgrove is doing a great job.
I will say that we got a lot of football left, and my final judgement won't come until the end of the season, hopefully after a bowl game. But I like what I'm seeing so far.
Pedro Guerrero
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I personally don't see anything that warrants moving this to the shed. I don't really see any personal attacks going on.
Pedro Guerrero
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Cool. :thumbs
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1. There is a thin line between showing concern and being critical of every aspect of the game, and Former seems to step over that line over and over again.
2. Playing the Juco level and playing DIV-A level are night and day. You have stronger, faster lineman, and more experienced coaches in DIV-A then you do in the juco's. Heck, even Jim Tressel struggled adapting from the DIV-AA level to DIV-A level his first year. He went 7-5 his first year, and his second year he began to change his offense around to suit the players and they went on to win a national title that year.
3. Our CURRENT tight ends are the biggest example option players struggling to adapt to the WCO. There's NOTHING Callahan and the offensive staff can do about it at the moment, except buy some time and recruit guys who are fitted into that system.
1. After we were promised championships by the AD, I feel that it is within my rights as a Husker fan to expect championships. Am I sometimes too critical and “unreasonable,” Im sure everyone would say yes. But after how things have played out the last 3 years, it has just made the fire burn hotter.But I was promised better, I demand better.
2. Agreed, and that is why I have felt that recruiting JUCOs and expecting them to turn the program around and "build" with them is questionable.
3. Disagree. They can do 3 things, COACH, recruit, or find plays that these players can run effectively.
1. There is a thin line between showing concern and being critical of every aspect of the game, and Former seems to step over that line over and over again.
2. Playing the Juco level and playing DIV-A level are night and day. You have stronger, faster lineman, and more experienced coaches in DIV-A then you do in the juco's. Heck, even Jim Tressel struggled adapting from the DIV-AA level to DIV-A level his first year. He went 7-5 his first year, and his second year he began to change his offense around to suit the players and they went on to win a national title that year.
3. Our CURRENT tight ends are the biggest example option players struggling to adapt to the WCO. There's NOTHING Callahan and the offensive staff can do about it at the moment, except buy some time and recruit guys who are fitted into that system.
1. After we were promised championships by the AD, I feel that it is within my rights as a Husker fan to expect championships. Am I sometimes too critical and “unreasonable,” Im sure everyone would say yes. But after how things have played out the last 3 years, it has just made the fire burn hotter.But I was promised better, I demand better.
2. Agreed, and that is why I have felt that recruiting JUCOs and expecting them to turn the program around and "build" with them is questionable.
3. Disagree. They can do 3 things, COACH, recruit, or find plays that these players can run effectively.
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StuckinChicago said:
First of all, name me a team, any team, that has "stopped" tech. Not even the national championship sooners could dominate the game defensively. All you can do is let them rack up their yards, create a few turnovers, and stop them in the redzone when the field shrinks. We accomplished two of the three.
Last year, the Sooners and the “Idiot Pelini” held them to 13 points, and New Mexico and either TCU/SMU held them to 24 and 21 points last year. It can be done. Difficult, yes, impossible, no. The same was said about Florida in 95, too. Tech has a very good offense, good players, etc. They are not a top caliber team, and if NU cant beat them and hold their offense, NU will never be either. It can be done, and HAS to be done to bring NU back to the top.
Second of all, the offense has gotten signifacantly better than in the begginning of the year,
They have made improvements, absolutely, but the first 3 games were unspeakably awful. They got 400 yds vs ISU, and about 360 last week, nice numbers and the passing game seems to be clicking better, but it still is not particularly impressive. They are now averaging close to what the last 3 NU teams have, which is not going to cut it. As far as ZT and JD being similar, they are different players, and do different things well, have different strengths. However, their results are similar, ZT has less INTs and a few more yards than JD, but less TDs. The O also has not performed better under him overall. Has ZT and the O performed better the last 2 weeks, yes, but again there is a lot of work to do.
and remember, Everyone has a year's worth of film to look at now. Last year, no one had any film.
True, but that should not be used as an excuse, IMO.
Callahan continues to slip in more wrinkles, and most of them work, from the fake to Glenn up the middle toss to Lucky on the outside to the numerous crossing routes we have been using to free guys up in man coverage, it is obvious that Callahan is learning and progressing,
I guess that remains to be seen, I have my doubts.
You are willing to give all of the blame to Cally and the coaching staff when the team gives up last year in TT
Yes, they are the leaders of the team, they are responsible for how they act, play, and perform.
, and none of the praise when they go down 21 to the same team, and fight back only to be robbed by one man's momentary lack of sanity. Yes, you can put this game on one play when the play is so outstandingly stupid that it can be compared to a Leon Lett play. You cant coach that, and you dont even think to remind someone, because it's like telling someone to put on a uniform before a game. You intercept the ball with little time left on the clock when your up, you fall down. I dont care if your Deion fricken Sanders, you fall down. Period.
To simplify this and put it squarely on the shoulders of one player is in very poor taste. Sure, if Smith falls down, game over. But if Carriker or Moore sacks the QB on the last play, if Teidke (sp?) is one step closer, if Taylor doesn’t throw 2 INTs and have 2 fumble, if Ruud scores a TD on the fumble, etc…. you get the picture, you win as a team, and lose as a team. In the end, it falls on the shoulders of the leaders (coaches.)
As far as your obsession with weight, who has more sacks? This year's team or the much "smaller, faster" team of 03? Who had our sacks on Saturday? Moore (270 lbs), Carriker (280 lbs), Ruud (230lbs). Who leads the team and is up there nationally in sacks? Carriker. The reason that we were able to get away with smaller defenses in the past is that we had great corners and could blitz 7 or 8 on every play, not to mention NFL calliber rush ends and linebackers. Once again, we have 2 of the 3.
I think you misunderstand me. I don’t have an obsession with weight, I have an obsession with SPEED. At the NFL level, the players, for the most part, are all very similar physically (speed, strength, etc) when it comes to college ball, there are so few players that have both the size AND speed combination. Yes, Carriker seems to be one of those guys, but there are only a few every year, and those guys end up playing on Sunday. Same with LBs, there are so few that are 250 lbs yet can effectively cover a RB or WR with man coverage. That is my obsession, I could care less if the OLBs weigh 240 lbs, as long as the get from point A to B fast. Farley (who I think was the best NU OLB in recent memory) played at 205, but was blazing fast.
I disagree with you post in the strongest terms.
I understand and respect you for discussing this on these terms. We can disagree, yet act with civility when doing so. Others should follow your lead.
As ETR said, Im not jerking with anyone. Lets go back a bit. When pud axed Solich and said that he was not surrendering the Big 12 to UT and OU, I was like “Oh yeah, you tell em!!!” IMO, FSs new staff needed to have at least one more year (probably 2) to see what they could do, as they made a nice improvement in 03. But when puds first choice was Wandstedt, then Nutt, I knew that he had no idea what he was doing. When I talked to someone close to the program who told me that this went back to a personal issue between the two, it got me thinking that ole pud isn’t being straight with us. When he brought in billy c. I was pissed, I knew that he was going to give the job to him, even after the “interviews” to Gill and Pelini. I am legit with my denouncement of the staff, after we were promised championships by the AD, I feel that it is within my rights as a Husker fan to expect championships. Am I sometimes too critical and “unreasonable,” Im sure everyone would say yes. But after how things have played out the last 3 years, it has just made the fire burn hotter.
First of all, name me a team, any team, that has "stopped" tech. Not even the national championship sooners could dominate the game defensively. All you can do is let them rack up their yards, create a few turnovers, and stop them in the redzone when the field shrinks. We accomplished two of the three.
Last year, the Sooners and the “Idiot Pelini” held them to 13 points, and New Mexico and either TCU/SMU held them to 24 and 21 points last year. It can be done. Difficult, yes, impossible, no. The same was said about Florida in 95, too. Tech has a very good offense, good players, etc. They are not a top caliber team, and if NU cant beat them and hold their offense, NU will never be either. It can be done, and HAS to be done to bring NU back to the top.
Second of all, the offense has gotten signifacantly better than in the begginning of the year,
They have made improvements, absolutely, but the first 3 games were unspeakably awful. They got 400 yds vs ISU, and about 360 last week, nice numbers and the passing game seems to be clicking better, but it still is not particularly impressive. They are now averaging close to what the last 3 NU teams have, which is not going to cut it. As far as ZT and JD being similar, they are different players, and do different things well, have different strengths. However, their results are similar, ZT has less INTs and a few more yards than JD, but less TDs. The O also has not performed better under him overall. Has ZT and the O performed better the last 2 weeks, yes, but again there is a lot of work to do.
and remember, Everyone has a year's worth of film to look at now. Last year, no one had any film.
True, but that should not be used as an excuse, IMO.
Callahan continues to slip in more wrinkles, and most of them work, from the fake to Glenn up the middle toss to Lucky on the outside to the numerous crossing routes we have been using to free guys up in man coverage, it is obvious that Callahan is learning and progressing,
I guess that remains to be seen, I have my doubts.
You are willing to give all of the blame to Cally and the coaching staff when the team gives up last year in TT
Yes, they are the leaders of the team, they are responsible for how they act, play, and perform.
, and none of the praise when they go down 21 to the same team, and fight back only to be robbed by one man's momentary lack of sanity. Yes, you can put this game on one play when the play is so outstandingly stupid that it can be compared to a Leon Lett play. You cant coach that, and you dont even think to remind someone, because it's like telling someone to put on a uniform before a game. You intercept the ball with little time left on the clock when your up, you fall down. I dont care if your Deion fricken Sanders, you fall down. Period.
To simplify this and put it squarely on the shoulders of one player is in very poor taste. Sure, if Smith falls down, game over. But if Carriker or Moore sacks the QB on the last play, if Teidke (sp?) is one step closer, if Taylor doesn’t throw 2 INTs and have 2 fumble, if Ruud scores a TD on the fumble, etc…. you get the picture, you win as a team, and lose as a team. In the end, it falls on the shoulders of the leaders (coaches.)
As far as your obsession with weight, who has more sacks? This year's team or the much "smaller, faster" team of 03? Who had our sacks on Saturday? Moore (270 lbs), Carriker (280 lbs), Ruud (230lbs). Who leads the team and is up there nationally in sacks? Carriker. The reason that we were able to get away with smaller defenses in the past is that we had great corners and could blitz 7 or 8 on every play, not to mention NFL calliber rush ends and linebackers. Once again, we have 2 of the 3.
I think you misunderstand me. I don’t have an obsession with weight, I have an obsession with SPEED. At the NFL level, the players, for the most part, are all very similar physically (speed, strength, etc) when it comes to college ball, there are so few players that have both the size AND speed combination. Yes, Carriker seems to be one of those guys, but there are only a few every year, and those guys end up playing on Sunday. Same with LBs, there are so few that are 250 lbs yet can effectively cover a RB or WR with man coverage. That is my obsession, I could care less if the OLBs weigh 240 lbs, as long as the get from point A to B fast. Farley (who I think was the best NU OLB in recent memory) played at 205, but was blazing fast.
I disagree with you post in the strongest terms.
I understand and respect you for discussing this on these terms. We can disagree, yet act with civility when doing so. Others should follow your lead.
As ETR said, Im not jerking with anyone. Lets go back a bit. When pud axed Solich and said that he was not surrendering the Big 12 to UT and OU, I was like “Oh yeah, you tell em!!!” IMO, FSs new staff needed to have at least one more year (probably 2) to see what they could do, as they made a nice improvement in 03. But when puds first choice was Wandstedt, then Nutt, I knew that he had no idea what he was doing. When I talked to someone close to the program who told me that this went back to a personal issue between the two, it got me thinking that ole pud isn’t being straight with us. When he brought in billy c. I was pissed, I knew that he was going to give the job to him, even after the “interviews” to Gill and Pelini. I am legit with my denouncement of the staff, after we were promised championships by the AD, I feel that it is within my rights as a Husker fan to expect championships. Am I sometimes too critical and “unreasonable,” Im sure everyone would say yes. But after how things have played out the last 3 years, it has just made the fire burn hotter.
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This is a rumor that I believe has some truth to it, and I hate to even bring it up because I cannot confirm or deny it. A person I work with has a sister who lived close to the Solich's, and the rumor is that he had a girlfriend who was an enrolled student who he got pregnant. Don't know if it's true, and I don't know if it had anything to do with the firing, but this could be the personal problem you speak of. Again, take this with a grain of salt. This is not the gospel.