Tech afterthought

[DaveH]

1. After we were promised championships by the AD, I feel that it is within my rights as a Husker fan to expect championships. Am I sometimes too critical and “unreasonable,” Im sure everyone would say yes. But after how things have played out the last 3 years, it has just made the fire burn hotter.But I was promised better, I demand better.

You can't tell me you honestly expected championships within a year. I mean, c'mon man. That's pretty short sighted. I hope you are being facetious because if not damn.

 

[NamelessHusker]

Wait a second...HOLD ON.. back up Formerfan. You just became a hypocrite in your post. Let me point out the numerous running around you did in your post.

I feel that it is within my rights as a Husker fan to expect championships

This is not an attack. This is something you need to explain before you can claim you are a husker fan when you clearly made this statement in another thread in response to Husker fans being the classiest fan in America. When i told you to take your own advice, you replied with

Former Fan said: I never have put that moniker on myself, personally, its a condescending statement

How can you say you are a Husker fan when Husker fans are KNOWN as one of the most respectful and classy fans in America towards either teams? You said it was a condescending statement. Wouldn't that make you condescending since you said you are a Husker fan? If you are not condescending, are you saying every other Husker fan BUT YOU is condescending? <_<

Lets move on to another point

After we were promised championships by the AD

am legit with my denouncement of the staff, after we were promised championships by the AD, I feel that it is within my rights as a Husker fan to expect championships.

And you expected those championships to come in 1 year of installing a new offense? That's like asking a Casino owner who just built a new Casino to promise 100 million dollars in profit the first year without even seeing what the traffic in the casino is before the casino even opens up its doors. Again, look at what you typed. When did the new coaches promise a National title after the first year? When did the AD promise a National title after 1 year. If you know ANY AD that knows when his team is going to win a national title, please let me know ASAP so i can place a bet in Vegas before the season starts claiming X, Y, Z team is guaranteed to win a national title that year because the AD promised they would win one.

Moving on and this is where your hypocrisy shows

FSs new staff needed to have at least one more year (probably 2) to see what they could do

So Solich should be given the right to see what his new staff could have done because what? Because he hired a new staff? I really find it hard to believe you were demanding National titles every year Solich was coaching and when he fell short, you said "that's ok, maybe next year". Going on your reasoning, I then as a HUSKER FAN demanded we win National championships during the Solich years and he failed to deliver. He was given a team that won a national title the year before and had gone 60-3 in it's previous 3 years, and in 1 year, Solich managed to get 4 losses. Why should solich be given 2 more years with his new staff when he didn't win a national title in 6 years with his old staff? Why is Solich allowed 8 years to TRY to win a national championship and Callahan isn't even given 1 or even 2 years to TRY to win one? Because Solich is a Husker? Is that why he should be given the chance?

Moving on....

you win as a team, and lose as a team. In the end, it falls on the shoulders of the leaders (coaches.)

You win as a team, you lose a a team, but it's the coaches fault primarily if they lose. That doesn't even make sense. :dumdum

I wasn't aware Jay Norvell was Zach Taylor in disguise and threw 2 interceptions. I wasn't are John Blake was LeKevin Smith in disguise and was the one who fumbled the ball away. I wasn't aware Bill Busch was on the field missing tackles. I wasn't aware Dennis Wagner was in disguise on the offensive line and allowing Zac to be sacked. Exactly how does it fall on the coaches shoulders? Are coaches fumbling balls, throwing interceptions, missing tackles, allowing sacks? How does it fall on the coaches shoulders, when those same coaches are the ones who brought us back from a 21-0 deficit.

###### said:3. Our CURRENT tight ends are the biggest example option players struggling to adapt to the WCO. There's NOTHING Callahan and the offensive staff can do about it at the moment, except buy some time and recruit guys who are fitted into that system.

Formerfan said:

3. Disagree. They can do 3 things, COACH, recruit, or find plays that these players can run effectively.

In case someone hasn't told you yet, Nebraska brought in the third rated recruiting class in the nation last year. Also i will take Milt's comments on Big Red Report when he says that coaching players to Pass block is the most difficult thing for an offensive coach to do with more credibility considering he was a coach from your old "SOLICH" regime you love to continue to bring up. He attended 3 practices and he said they are trying to coach them but some players are having problems adjusting (ie C.Thomas, Seppo, Kurt Mann). And as far as running plays that these players can run effectively, why don't we just hand opposing coaches our gameplan? Any DC will know what play we will most likely run if we bring in those certain lineman on those "plays"

 

[formerfan]

Wait a second...HOLD ON.. back up Formerfan. You just became a hypocrite in your post. Let me point out the numerous running around you did in your post.

I feel that it is within my rights as a Husker fan to expect championships

This is not an attack. This is something you need to explain before you can claim you are a husker fan when you clearly made this statement in another thread in response to Husker fans being the classiest fan in America. When i told you to take your own advice, you replied with

Former Fan said: I never have put that moniker on myself, personally, its a condescending statement

How can you say you are a Husker fan when Husker fans are KNOWN as one of the most respectful and classy fans in America towards either teams? You said it was a condescending statement. Wouldn't that make you condescending since you said you are a Husker fan? If you are not condescending, are you saying every other Husker fan BUT YOU is condescending? <_<

Good question, one that apparently needs clarification. I said it is condescending to claim to be the “classiest fans in America,” and hypocritical to then throw insults and make threats to a person (see the examples given) based solely on their views of a college football team or coaching staff. It’s a very Colorado-esque way to cheer your team. BTW, I dont think that you will find an instance where I have referred to myself or those who root for the same team I do as the “classiest fans in college football,” so as much as you’d like to, I don’t think that you can call that hypocritical. Like I paraphrased in an earlier post, the overwhelming majority of NU fans are good, decent, upstanding people, and a few Buffalo-like knuckleheads shouldn’t taint the whole group. But for a group of fans to refer to THEMSELVES as such, is self-serving, egotistical, and condescending.

Lets move on to another point

After we were promised championships by the AD

am legit with my denouncement of the staff, after we were promised championships by the AD, I feel that it is within my rights as a Husker fan to expect championships.

And you expected those championships to come in 1 year of installing a new offense? That's like asking a Casino owner who just built a new Casino to promise 100 million dollars in profit the first year without even seeing what the traffic in the casino is before the casino even opens up its doors. Again, look at what you typed. When did the new coaches promise a National title after the first year? When did the AD promise a National title after 1 year. If you know ANY AD that knows when his team is going to win a national title, please let me know ASAP so i can place a bet in Vegas before the season starts claiming X, Y, Z team is guaranteed to win a national title that year because the AD promised they would win one.

Moving on and this is where your hypocrisy shows

FSs new staff needed to have at least one more year (probably 2) to see what they could do

So Solich should be given the right to see what his new staff could have done because what? Because he hired a new staff? I really find it hard to believe you were demanding National titles every year Solich was coaching and when he fell short, you said "that's ok, maybe next year". Going on your reasoning, I then as a HUSKER FAN demanded we win National championships during the Solich years and he failed to deliver. He was given a team that won a national title the year before and had gone 60-3 in it's previous 3 years, and in 1 year, Solich managed to get 4 losses. Why should solich be given 2 more years with his new staff when he didn't win a national title in 6 years with his old staff? Why is Solich allowed 8 years to TRY to win a national championship and Callahan isn't even given 1 or even 2 years to TRY to win one? Because Solich is a Husker? Is that why he should be given the chance?

Lets answer both of these together. Yes, once FS brought in a whole new staff you have to give them at the minimum of 2 years, but more like 3 or 4 to see what they can do. Especially after we saw a very nice improvement from 02 to 03. Did I honestly think that billy c. was going to win a NC in his first year, hell no. But after making the improvement that this team did, and we (as fans) were told that the improvement wasn’t good enough, that we were not going to surrender to OU and UT, that we were here to win championships, then that’s what I expect. NU went from 7-7 to 10-3, so logically they should have went 13-0 last year, at least that is what pud said. These expectations are not what I would have expected, they are what pud told me that the expectations are. Are they unrealistic, absolutely, but I am just expecting what our Grand Wizard Pud-meister promised. :sarcasm

As far as why should Frank have recieved more time, yes because he brought in a new staff, partly because he is a member of the family, and the other part it because pud had no plan, and hired a worse coach than the one we had.

A question I need to ask, if the turnaround that the 03 staff had was not good enough, then why should we expect less from the current staff?? Is billy c and co held to lower standards than TO and FS, and if so, why?

Moving on....

you win as a team, and lose as a team. In the end, it falls on the shoulders of the leaders (coaches.)

You win as a team, you lose a a team, but it's the coaches fault primarily if they lose. That doesn't even make sense. :dumdum

I wasn't aware Jay Norvell was Zach Taylor in disguise and threw 2 interceptions. I wasn't are John Blake was LeKevin Smith in disguise and was the one who fumbled the ball away. I wasn't aware Bill Busch was on the field missing tackles. I wasn't aware Dennis Wagner was in disguise on the offensive line and allowing Zac to be sacked. Exactly how does it fall on the coaches shoulders? Are coaches fumbling balls, throwing interceptions, missing tackles, allowing sacks? How does it fall on the coaches shoulders, when those same coaches are the ones who brought us back from a 21-0 deficit.

As it is with any organization, the success or failure falls directly on the shoulders of those who run it (see Frank Solich). They are supposed to get the right people to do the job, formulate a plan as to how to get the job done, and put in place the execution of the plan. Everyone plays a part, very important part in the performance, but in the end, the responsibility of the organizations success (football team) falls on the leaders.

###### said:3. Our CURRENT tight ends are the biggest example option players struggling to adapt to the WCO. There's NOTHING Callahan and the offensive staff can do about it at the moment, except buy some time and recruit guys who are fitted into that system.

Formerfan said:

3. Disagree. They can do 3 things, COACH, recruit, or find plays that these players can run effectively.

In case someone hasn't told you yet, Nebraska brought in the third rated recruiting class in the nation last year. Also i will take Milt's comments on Big Red Report when he says that coaching players to Pass block is the most difficult thing for an offensive coach to do with more credibility considering he was a coach from your old "SOLICH" regime you love to continue to bring up. He attended 3 practices and he said they are trying to coach them but some players are having problems adjusting (ie C.Thomas, Seppo, Kurt Mann). And as far as running plays that these players can run effectively, why don't we just hand opposing coaches our gameplan? Any DC will know what play we will most likely run if we bring in those certain lineman on those "plays"

As for the last paragraph, we will agree to disagree. One question, where did NU have the 3rd rated class last year, through Rivals, I thought they were ranked 5th? Just curious.

 

[formerfan]

This is a rumor that I believe has some truth to it, and I hate to even bring it up because I cannot confirm or deny it.  A person I work with has a sister who lived close to the Solich's, and the rumor is that he had a girlfriend who was an enrolled student who he got pregnant.  Don't know if it's true, and I don't know if it had anything to do with the firing, but this could be the personal problem you speak of.  Again, take this with a grain of salt.  This is not the gospel.

I've heard this from someone who supposedly knows this girl personally, but I do not know facts so not really gospel as you say. It would add quite a bit of depth to the firing scenario, but who the heck knows.

I heard that rumor too, except I heard it in about 3 or 4 different variations (this one being new to me :blink: ). I heard that FS had an affair with his secretary, with a nurse, with a cheerleader. Are they true or not, who knows.

I was referring to a different rumor that I got from a credible source that there was a long-time dispute between pud and Frank (part of the reason why pud went to Tenn or Ohio St), and he had concocted this plan in since that time.

 

[formerfan]

1. After we were promised championships by the AD, I feel that it is within my rights as a Husker fan to expect championships. Am I sometimes too critical and “unreasonable,” Im sure everyone would say yes. But after how things have played out the last 3 years, it has just made the fire burn hotter.But I was promised better, I demand better.

You can't tell me you honestly expected championships within a year. I mean, c'mon man. That's pretty short sighted. I hope you are being facetious because if not damn.

:thumbs

Dave's a smart guy, he gets it. Just read my lengthy response to Nameless, and you will get the gist of it.

:cheers

 

[NamelessHusker]

Like I paraphrased in an earlier post, the overwhelming majority of NU fans are good, decent, upstanding people, and a few Buffalo-like knuckleheads shouldn’t taint the whole group. But for a group of fans to refer to THEMSELVES as such, is self-serving, egotistical, and condescending.

That's misleading FF. How can a overwhelming majority made up of good, decent, and upstanding (your words not mine) fans not deserve the title of the classiest fans in America, even though as you pointed out, might have a few knuckleheads? How is that considered egotistical? I can certainly promise you that you will never find an opposing fan clap for Nebraska if we beat them on their home field. You win with class and you lose with class, and just because someone defends their team when that team is attacked and criticized, then i don't fault the defender. Nebraska has been on top for about 40 years and when the fans of Kstate, Iowa St's, Kansas, Missouri's for example come and try to attack your team and purposely instigate negativity, then it's not about class anymore, and more about attitude.

NU went from 7-7 to 10-3, so logically they should have went 13-0 last year, at least that is what pud said. These expectations are not what I would have expected, they are what pud told me that the expectations are. Are they unrealistic, absolutely, but I am just expecting what our Grand Wizard Pud-meister promised

Again, like i said FF. Go back and look at the teams we beat. People can continue to fool themselves with that 10-3 record, specially when 7 of 11 of those wins were against teams that did not make bowl games, and one other wins was against a 6-6 team that got blown out in its bowl game by NC state and finished 6-7 (so realistically 8 pathetic teams that year). I still find it amazing that you of all people wont even bother doing the research on those 8 teams. You point to 10 wins, but why don't you point to the 3 blowouts? Let me repeat that. 3 blowouts in the same year. When was the last time Devaney or Osborne got blown out 3 times in a season? When did our expectations fall to a point we approved 3 blowouts in a season. Osborne left Nebraska in a dominant state over Kansas State, and now all of a sudden Kansas St has won 5 of the last 7 against Nebraska, including the last 3 in a row??? What about Colorado? Nebraska, always had tough games against Colorado in Osborne's last few years, but not once was he blown out 62-36 (cringes). It's one thing to lose to a team, its another to lose 2 years in a row by blowouts. That's not just talent, it's coaching, whether you admit it or not, or even see it for that matter.

And to answer your second part, Pederson said:

"I refuse to let the program gravitate into mediocrity," Pederson said when he officially announced the firing. "We won't surrender the Big 12 to Oklahoma and Texas. The byproduct of excellence in every area of your program is winning, and I don't apologize for having high expectations. I understand we aren't going to win the championship every year, but I believe we should be playing for or gaining on the championship on a consistent basis. I don't feel that currently we are playing for or gaining on the championship"

 

We talked about a need to bring this football program back to where it had been," Perlman said. "I believe this is a fair decision based on the future of our football program in the long term."

 

Pederson said he had been thinking about dismissing Solich since taking the job. Pederson said he didn't make his decision based on Solich's number of wins and losses. He said he had concerns about slippage in recruiting, among other things.

 

"We're not recruiting like we were a number of years ago," Pederson said. "If you want to succeed at the highest level, you have to recruit the top players. At Nebraska, you should be able to recruit anybody in the country

Pay attention to a word you used just recently FF. You said you had expectations of Nebraska winning national championships. The SAME thing Pederson is after. You hate the guy so much, yet you want the same thing he wants. To be excellent in what you do and the byproduct is winning. Pederson is looking ahead, you are only looking at now, and untill you can expand your mind and look into the future, all you will see right now is a Nebraska team that is still a long ways away and still has some learning to do and a couple of years of recruiting damage that has been inflicted upon the program by the old staff. Even you admitted a while ago that the talent was not up to par the latest couple of years. I will repeat Pederson's last line again

If you want to succeed at the highest level, you have to recruit the top players. At Nebraska, you should be able to recruit anybody in the country

Whether you admit it or not, Nebraska was afraid of recruiting under the old staff and did not go after the top recruits in the nation. Our roster says it all from all the players who have transfered, quit, got kicked off the team and the result on the field.

 

[IndyHusker]

the TT game was played well in some part, the fact they went down 21 and came back is good, but the fact they went down 21 isnt. the offense is playing better, the defense is still playing well, but they have a ways to go before they can win a big 12 championship. as far as FF goes some of you need to actually read what he is saying in the his posts instead of just picking out his negative points, i really get sick of hearing about how everyone knows that BC is the man to turn it around and FF doesnt know jack s**t about anything, until BC reaches a bowl and a record that matches what FS did he is suspect, prove it to me thats all im saying and i think thats all FF wants to, hes just kind of an extemist. i dont care if he FS left him with high school players he should be able to just about duplicate the sucess that came before him. ya ya hes got to have his players....... how about adapting his game plan some till that happens? they are improving and i am happy about that, and ive pretty much forgot what i thought of the game after reading everyone elses better than thou crap on here. :WTH

 

[NamelessHusker]

i dont care if he FS left him with high school players he should be able to just about duplicate the sucess that came before him. ya ya hes got to have his players

:dis

Bill Callahan did that last year and it got him a 5-6 season. Dailey went hog wild

with interceptions, the defense played with no heart. So untill Bill Callahan gets a full team together of guys he recruited, this staff has my support and will continue to have it. I don't need a W to tell me that NU is back on the way to greatness. All i need to see is the players acting like a family again and not each person for themself

 

[IndyHusker]

###### Posted on Oct 12 2005, 05:35 PM   QUOTE 

i dont care if he FS left him with high school players he should be able to just about duplicate the sucess that came before him. ya ya hes got to have his players

Bill Callahan did that last year and it got him a 5-6 season. Dailey went hog wild

with interceptions, the defense played with no heart. So untill Bill Callahan gets a full team together of guys he recruited, this staff has my support and will continue to have it. I don't need a W to tell me that NU is back on the way to greatness. All i need to see is the players acting like a family again and not each person for themself 

uhh yea thats why i said he should have adjusted his gameplan until......... i agree though it does seem like they are playing much better as a team.