Terry Joseph articles in OWH & LJS

[PaulCrewe]

He had inexperience to work with, mostly because of injuries. That's the key point that nobody really brings up. Sanders left behind 3 starters in Osborne, Dennard, and Cassidy. Evans was a guy who showed great promise when he got his chances, but regressed under Raymond (as did Cassidy).

Evans was part of a good play that we all remember, but he struggled and was benched for Anthony West. That perception is just untrue, I guess.

Several good plays against Missouri. I remember him breaking up a few passes and making several tackles in that game. And yes, one huge stop. He was a true freshman, so I wasn't altogether shocked he struggled some. But I didn't expect him to regress over the next year and a half.

He was benched, that year, because the coaches evidently didn't feel the same way.

THIS is true. And been preaching it since that Mizzou game. Ciante, is not that great. He had the tackle on Gilbert Gabbert that game. THAT was his play. The pass breakup was the result of a late, underthrown pass. He was beat on that play. ISU absolutely owned him the first quarter of that game and West played after that as zoog said. West also stayed ahead of Ciante in the DB rotation the rest of they year. I can't believe the over reaction of a lot of people over the Mizzou game with Ciante. He was identified and abused by every OC and slot receiver in the B1G last fall. Please, oh please let SJB play the nickel next fall, and Ciante can shine on kick coverage units.

 

[The Dude]

He had inexperience to work with, mostly because of injuries. That's the key point that nobody really brings up. Sanders left behind 3 starters in Osborne, Dennard, and Cassidy. Evans was a guy who showed great promise when he got his chances, but regressed under Raymond (as did Cassidy).

True but we also sent 3 DBs one in the first round to the NFL following the '10 season. So the guys that took over while they had played some weren't used to being starters. There is a tremendous difference between seeing a few snaps in a back-up role versus being the #1 guy.

My whole point was Sanders isn't to blame for Raymond having to deal with inexperience. Injuries are to blame. Unless the expectation is to pull starters in close games just to get younger guys some snaps. Which is dumb. I guess people are just focusing on the fact that I mentioned Evans.

 

[Hunter94]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

 

[caveman99]

He had inexperience to work with, mostly because of injuries. That's the key point that nobody really brings up. Sanders left behind 3 starters in Osborne, Dennard, and Cassidy. Evans was a guy who showed great promise when he got his chances, but regressed under Raymond (as did Cassidy).

Evans was part of a good play that we all remember, but he struggled and was benched for Anthony West. That perception is just untrue, I guess.

Several good plays against Missouri. I remember him breaking up a few passes and making several tackles in that game. And yes, one huge stop. He was a true freshman, so I wasn't altogether shocked he struggled some. But I didn't expect him to regress over the next year and a half.

He was benched, that year, because the coaches evidently didn't feel the same way.

During the Iowa State game? I remember him starting that game, then Dennard was back the following game.

Yes in the ISU game he got the start do to his play against MU, but he struggled and AW went in. AW was the top back up after that.

 

[kchusker_chris]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

I'm concerned that our scheme/system is either so complex, or our coaches demand so much...that it's not so much we lack depth, but that very few outside of a junior/senior in the system can step in and be effective. I'm getting tired of hearing "now I understand the entire defense, what everyone else is supposed to be doing so I can finally play" - that's tough to replicate when an injury occurs and you have to plug someone into the system as a freshman/sophomore. If you can't look outside of your junior/senior players for depth, you're never going to have depth.

 

[Hunter94]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

I'm concerned that our scheme/system is either so complex, or our coaches demand so much...that it's not so much we lack depth, but that very few outside of a junior/senior in the system can step in and be effective. I'm getting tired of hearing "now I understand the entire defense, what everyone else is supposed to be doing so I can finally play" - that's tough to replicate when an injury occurs and you have to plug someone into the system as a freshman/sophomore. If you can't look outside of your junior/senior players for depth, you're never going to have depth.

well, i will crawl out on the same limb with you and agree.......but someone will shake the tree, so hold on.

 

[RedDenver]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

I'm concerned that our scheme/system is either so complex, or our coaches demand so much...that it's not so much we lack depth, but that very few outside of a junior/senior in the system can step in and be effective. I'm getting tired of hearing "now I understand the entire defense, what everyone else is supposed to be doing so I can finally play" - that's tough to replicate when an injury occurs and you have to plug someone into the system as a freshman/sophomore. If you can't look outside of your junior/senior players for depth, you're never going to have depth.

well, i will crawl out on the same limb with you and agree.......but someone will shake the tree, so hold on.

I'll shake the tree a little. I think this happens with almost every team everywhere. Sure, there are examples of true frosh or other young players stepping in and doing well, but that's the exception - not the norm.

Heck, we even had frosh Bell come in and lead our team in receptions with frosh Turner not far behind. And a bunch of Juco guys have come in and played right away, so that means the system can't be that complicated. I think it's more a case of age and experience - older players just have more.

 

[kchusker_chris]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

I'm concerned that our scheme/system is either so complex, or our coaches demand so much...that it's not so much we lack depth, but that very few outside of a junior/senior in the system can step in and be effective. I'm getting tired of hearing "now I understand the entire defense, what everyone else is supposed to be doing so I can finally play" - that's tough to replicate when an injury occurs and you have to plug someone into the system as a freshman/sophomore. If you can't look outside of your junior/senior players for depth, you're never going to have depth.

well, i will crawl out on the same limb with you and agree.......but someone will shake the tree, so hold on.

I'll shake the tree a little. I think this happens with almost every team everywhere. Sure, there are examples of true frosh or other young players stepping in and doing well, but that's the exception - not the norm.

Heck, we even had frosh Bell come in and lead our team in receptions with frosh Turner not far behind. And a bunch of Juco guys have come in and played right away, so that means the system can't be that complicated. I think it's more a case of age and experience - older players just have more.

David was just a freak athlete that even admitted he played his entire first year without the knowledge he needed. He was one of many w/ the quote i mentioned above. Gomes was great, but it took him a year as well...I think these guys are the exception. Overwhelmingly our defense requires a couple years in the system. I'm not sure if this is bad or not - but I just don't see us ever being "deep" because of it. There is too big of a drop off in this system - not because of a lack of talent, but because of a lack of experience required to play within the system.

 

[Hunter94]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

I'm concerned that our scheme/system is either so complex, or our coaches demand so much...that it's not so much we lack depth, but that very few outside of a junior/senior in the system can step in and be effective. I'm getting tired of hearing "now I understand the entire defense, what everyone else is supposed to be doing so I can finally play" - that's tough to replicate when an injury occurs and you have to plug someone into the system as a freshman/sophomore. If you can't look outside of your junior/senior players for depth, you're never going to have depth.

well, i will crawl out on the same limb with you and agree.......but someone will shake the tree, so hold on.

I'll shake the tree a little. I think this happens with almost every team everywhere. Sure, there are examples of true frosh or other young players stepping in and doing well, but that's the exception - not the norm.

Heck, we even had frosh Bell come in and lead our team in receptions with frosh Turner not far behind. And a bunch of Juco guys have come in and played right away, so that means the system can't be that complicated. I think it's more a case of age and experience - older players just have more.

David was just a freak athlete that even admitted he played his entire first year without the knowledge he needed. He was one of many w/ the quote i mentioned above. Gomes was great, but it took him a year as well...I think these guys are the exception. Overwhelmingly our defense requires a couple years in the system. I'm not sure if this is bad or not - but I just don't see us ever being "deep" because of it. There is too big of a drop off in this system - not because of a lack of talent, but because of a lack of experience required to play within the system.

so we might as well get used to this under the current system.......makes perfect sense to me.

 

['SkersRule]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

1. We aren't in the SEC so we can't have 115 scholarship players on the roster to ensure proper depth is achieved.

2. If a starter goes down schools simply do not have a #2 or 3 guy of equal or greater ability to take the #1's place.

3. So it logically follows that when a starter goes down the quality of play goes with it.

4. The offense has underperformed no doubt. But now you're making the case that in 2009 & 10 the defense did as well? LOL.

 

[lo country]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

Absolutely agree. The schemes are so complex on D that very few really make an impact until they have played for 2-3 yrs in the system. We have also shown the inability to develop depth ie no QB, no real RB, NO CENTER, no FB, safety, CB, LB etc.... Hopefully we have the pieces to start that. To blame everything on injuries, for the past 3 yrs is crazy. All teams have injuries. For example, USC loses Lattimore and still does well.

 

[EZ-E]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

It's only an acceptable excuse when we use it for our opponents. Ie Braxton Miller. Isn't that a tad weird?

 

[EZ-E]

661']no QB, no real RB, NO CENTER,.

1) I can see th Qb statement, but I'm not ready to give up on a sophomore

2) no real running back? Hmmmmm....

3) I am of the opinion that Caputo will be given opportunities in the NFL.

 

[Hunter94]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

It's only an acceptable excuse when we use it for our opponents. Ie Braxton Miller. Isn't that a tad weird?

Miller is a helluva qb, he will only get better.......wish we had him.

 

[EZ-E]

we have continued to use the injury excuse for under performing on offense and defense for the past 3 years.........obviously we lack depth at many positions.

It's only an acceptable excuse when we use it for our opponents. Ie Braxton Miller. Isn't that a tad weird?

Miller is a helluva qb, he will only get better.......wish we had him.

Agreed, but you understand what I'm saying?