The Biggest Embarrassment...

diehard said:
Cy the Cyclone said:
robsker said:
Wally said:
Callahan is that you disguised as robsker??
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Wally --- I like that :)

No, I am not Callahan. I do however think that right and reasonable behavior is it's own reward and that it would be great if we as a fan base were classy and great sports in both victory and in defeat.

Nebraska is a great place. We long ago had to leave Nebraska for a job but still see that state as a special place. Frankly, I have been surprised that we as fans have been so classless (again, not everyone, but many). Perhaps it is just an outcrop of the internet age --- anyone can post in representation of a group and all it takes is certain critical mass of posters with poor behavior before the thing goes south. In any event, I, and I can only speak for myself, am more saddened by the fan response than what it that the fans are responding to.
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It's not the entire fan base...it's just them damn hillbillies from Cozad. <_<
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I agree. Its those damn Haymakers.

When I was growing up in Lexington I had a great hatred for Cozad. I didnt understand why but now I know!!!

Thanks Cy
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Dusters rule the old Southwest conference! Too bad the conference is no more...

 
robsker said:
in the fall of the Husker program has been the fan response.

The fan base, as represented here and elsewhere has embarrassed the state of Nebraska far worse than has the football team. The response to the fall of the football team has been far, far worse than has the fall itself. The fan base needs to get a life. Losing in a football game happens 1/2 the time, by definition. Fans should expect that over time your team will eventually struggle. Our teams struggles have been few and very, very far between. That the program is down is, in and of itself, not a big issue --- nothing to get worked up over. We'll be back, in due course. We have no right to expect excellence all the time. Why are we so special?

So, really the worst thing that has come from the fall of the program is that many Nebraska fans have been shown to be terrible losers, expressing an arrogant sense of entitlement and a childish sense of being poor sports. Of course this indictment does not include everyone or perhaps even most fans --- but enough fans have been unsportsmanlike and ridiculous in their behavior that the fan base at Nebraska is rightly viewed now as no different than any other collective fan base. We are great if we win and not when we lose.

The team will likely get better and recover. Will the fans?
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I love it, one a$$ out of what 1.5million or more makes a stupid phone call, and it's "we all suck how dare any of you call your selves the best fans in the nation". Of all the games I went to this year I never heard one boo, I cheered for our team in the tunnel after aTm, did any of you? A lot of people here need to get off there high horse and calm down. I havent heard one thing said at a game that is any worse than posts on here, and NONE of it towards the players.

This retard made a really stupid mistake and I hope he pays for it. But most people outside of this state don't know or care about Nebraska Football, the fans havent embarressed the state, most people think we are stupid for running around the world in our Husker gear. Even fans of college ball could care less, they care about the top 10 or 15 teams and thats it.

We still have the best fans in the Nation, almost 300 sell outs, every visiting fan I talk to raves about how they love coming to Lincoln. There will always be someone who takes it to far. People (Cosgrove included) know that it is just a tiny fraction of people that do this, and the rest are just loyal fans... I don't know just my thoughts..... :boxosoap

 
HuskerTrucker said:
robsker said:
in the fall of the Husker program has been the fan response.

The fan base, as represented here and elsewhere has embarrassed the state of Nebraska far worse than has the football team. The response to the fall of the football team has been far, far worse than has the fall itself. The fan base needs to get a life. Losing in a football game happens 1/2 the time, by definition. Fans should expect that over time your team will eventually struggle. Our teams struggles have been few and very, very far between. That the program is down is, in and of itself, not a big issue --- nothing to get worked up over. We'll be back, in due course. We have no right to expect excellence all the time. Why are we so special?

So, really the worst thing that has come from the fall of the program is that many Nebraska fans have been shown to be terrible losers, expressing an arrogant sense of entitlement and a childish sense of being poor sports. Of course this indictment does not include everyone or perhaps even most fans --- but enough fans have been unsportsmanlike and ridiculous in their behavior that the fan base at Nebraska is rightly viewed now as no different than any other collective fan base. We are great if we win and not when we lose.

The team will likely get better and recover. Will the fans?
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What do you come to this board to do...find out what the score was last week and leave? Fans have the right to express their opinions, as long as they don't make personal attacks or threats to anyone.

I may not agree with you, but I will allow you to express yourself, but expect to be able to do the same. You say that the response of the fans have been bad? Wrong...these are fans that are expressing their displeasure at a system that has been terrible. Bad fans would keep their mouths shut and just accept it as par for the course. The fans in Nebraska know what it is to win...and expect to be competitive, which this team has been neither. They have watched one of the top defenses be run into the ground literally....damn right we are going to have something to say about it, no matter what you or anyone else thinks. What would you do...sit on your butt and take the attitude that it was okay to be at the bottom, because someone has to be? That is not good enough for me....and I WILL express my feelings about it...you just go ahead and sit on your butt, and choose to criticize the fans...what are you going to do...hire new ones? You better learn to live with them...or better yet, become one.
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No one is advocating that we should "think it is OK to be at the bottom." Instead it is an issue of expressing ourselves in a way that is civil, non-inflammatory and far more important than the expression of the concern is the underlying attitude --- we as Husker fans are not entitled to winning teams any more than are any other fans (Baylor fans, SMU fans, USC fans, or fans of any other program). We should now, especially now, appreciate the good old days. I went to NU as a student in 1983 and have ever since been a dedicated fan. Many, many good and many great years in that time span. And now some bad ones. They go together. So we root for, support and hope for better But the entitlement is really something that is arrogant. The NU football team owes us nothing. We should appreciate what we had and hope to see it again. In the intervening period of time we still need to enjoy and support the program.

Now, I have myself denounced this staff --- I was one of the earliest to state my displeasure with Callahan. I am myself guilty of some of what I have pointed out as being problematic with the fan base.

But, like the team, we have a chance to improve as well. Lets let this staff walk out with some dignity and actually thank them. Honestly, I feel sorry for these coaches (and their families). All they did was work their hearts out and do their best. The results were not there and the time is now to go elsewhere for leadership. But the bitterness and rancor against these guys is just wrong. And the arrogant notion that just because we root for the Big Red we DESERVE a winning team every year is unrealistic, wrong and as well needs to change.

 
robsker said:
So, really the worst thing that has come from the fall of the program is that many Nebraska fans have been shown to be terrible losers, expressing an arrogant sense of entitlement and a childish sense of being poor sports. Of course this indictment does not include everyone or perhaps even most fans --- but enough fans have been unsportsmanlike and ridiculous in their behavior that the fan base at Nebraska is rightly viewed now as no different than any other collective fan base.

The team will likely get better and recover. Will the fans?
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OH how terrible other fans might think were no better then them. How could I act Elitist if they think that they are just like me. :sarcasm

If thats the way you think maybe your the ones with the problems.

 
Go look up the term "self-loathing" before you post again, Robsker.

That goes for anyone else willing to throw themselves under the bus because someone who wears the same color shirt they do did something bad.

Amazing. :madash

 
REDSTEEL said:
OH how terrible other fans might think were no better then them. How could I act Elitist if they think that they are just like me. :sarcasm

If thats the way you think maybe your the ones with the problems.
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If you are referring to me, and might not be --- but in the event that you are --- please reread my earlier posts. I am not concerned with how we as fans are viewed. Reputation is not the issue. And, like you, it is the elitism that I am countering --- elitism in the form of the arrogant notion of entitlement. I am simply saying we collectively need to allow this staff to leave in dignity and then to support the next staff no matter what happens expecting only their best and not wanting to lynch them if NU is not Top 10 within a few years. Only 10 out of 115 or so in any year are Top 10 --- why should we expect and demand that NU be there? Hope for, root for, and cheer for --- sure. But to expect that level of performance (or even something approaching it) every year and then cry like babies when it does not happen, attacking those "responsible" (somehow thinking that we are more deserving as fans to be Top 10 than are the fans of the other 105 teams that are not) --- that is elitism and is wrong.

So we are in agreement. No elitism.

 
robsker said:
in the fall of the Husker program has been the fan response.

The fan base, as represented here and elsewhere has embarrassed the state of Nebraska far worse than has the football team. The response to the fall of the football team has been far, far worse than has the fall itself. The fan base needs to get a life. Losing in a football game happens 1/2 the time, by definition. Fans should expect that over time your team will eventually struggle. Our teams struggles have been few and very, very far between. That the program is down is, in and of itself, not a big issue --- nothing to get worked up over. We'll be back, in due course. We have no right to expect excellence all the time. Why are we so special?

So, really the worst thing that has come from the fall of the program is that many Nebraska fans have been shown to be terrible losers, expressing an arrogant sense of entitlement and a childish sense of being poor sports. Of course this indictment does not include everyone or perhaps even most fans --- but enough fans have been unsportsmanlike and ridiculous in their behavior that the fan base at Nebraska is rightly viewed now as no different than any other collective fan base. We are great if we win and not when we lose.

The team will likely get better and recover. Will the fans?
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Great post. And no the fans won't recover. Ever. They want it to be the 90's again. We all know college football in the year 2007 is not in anyway, shape or form like it was inthe 90's. We are not special in the College Football world any longer. Haven't been for a very long time. We, as fans, are just so unrelenting and demanding with our expectations. We demand success now, right now and pout and call the coaches names when we don't get we want, when we want it. Yes, we expect a good/great football team however, we are not entitled to one. We are not entitled to anything. We are just another D1 football program whose fans base happens to think Nebraska is 'special'. We're not. I've said it before...we are not entitled to ANYTHING other than to support the team, support the University. That's it. AND we, as Huskers fans, are very poor losers. That's for sure.

I know I'll catch hell for this but don't care. It's just football people...there are bigger things going on.

 
knapplc said:
Go look up the term "self-loathing" before you post again, Robsker.

That goes for anyone else willing to throw themselves under the bus because someone who wears the same color shirt they do did something bad.

Amazing. :madash
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This is actually kind of fun, this debate (or whatever this is called that we are doing). I do not see this as self loathing --- I am not even sure where that comes from. Rather it is stepping back and saying lets change as a group and calm down, have realistic expectations and cut these coaches some slack.

I think that I should have started this thread by saying the saddest thing about the fall of the football program (which I hope and think will rise again) has been the fan response.

Back to fan response. Like most things it can be fixed. We should send these coaches off by thanking them for their efforts. And we should welcome whoever serves next and place upon them reasonable expectations --- not expecting but rather hoping for excellence.

 
HuskerNCo said:
robsker said:
in the fall of the Husker program has been the fan response.

The fan base, as represented here and elsewhere has embarrassed the state of Nebraska far worse than has the football team. The response to the fall of the football team has been far, far worse than has the fall itself. The fan base needs to get a life. Losing in a football game happens 1/2 the time, by definition. Fans should expect that over time your team will eventually struggle. Our teams struggles have been few and very, very far between. That the program is down is, in and of itself, not a big issue --- nothing to get worked up over. We'll be back, in due course. We have no right to expect excellence all the time. Why are we so special?

So, really the worst thing that has come from the fall of the program is that many Nebraska fans have been shown to be terrible losers, expressing an arrogant sense of entitlement and a childish sense of being poor sports. Of course this indictment does not include everyone or perhaps even most fans --- but enough fans have been unsportsmanlike and ridiculous in their behavior that the fan base at Nebraska is rightly viewed now as no different than any other collective fan base. We are great if we win and not when we lose.

The team will likely get better and recover. Will the fans?
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Great post. And no the fans won't recover. Ever. They want it to be the 90's again. We all know college football in the year 2007 is not in anyway, shape or form like it was inthe 90's. We are not special in the College Football world any longer. Haven't been for a very long time. We, as fans, are just so unrelenting and demanding with our expectations. We demand success now, right now and pout and call the coaches names when we don't get we want, when we want it. Yes, we expect a good/great football team however, we are not entitled to one. We are not entitled to anything. We are just another D1 football program whose fans base happens to think Nebraska is 'special'. We're not. I've said it before...we are not entitled to ANYTHING other than to support the team, support the University. That's it. AND we, as Huskers fans, are very poor losers. That's for sure.

I know I'll catch hell for this but don't care. It's just football people...there are bigger things going on.
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I think most people realize that the 90s will never return (Iknow some don't). But why should'nt we think we are special? Do you think ISU fans think "well 5 and 7 is ok that what we should have" No they want to win. I think our team should win every game. That is what being a fan is, even in the face of certain doom you still stand up and say were number 1. The great thing about college ball is sometimes the worst beats best, that is why we are here, and at every game to see something special in our team.

 
HuskerNCo said:
robsker said:
in the fall of the Husker program has been the fan response.

The fan base, as represented here and elsewhere has embarrassed the state of Nebraska far worse than has the football team. The response to the fall of the football team has been far, far worse than has the fall itself. The fan base needs to get a life. Losing in a football game happens 1/2 the time, by definition. Fans should expect that over time your team will eventually struggle. Our teams struggles have been few and very, very far between. That the program is down is, in and of itself, not a big issue --- nothing to get worked up over. We'll be back, in due course. We have no right to expect excellence all the time. Why are we so special?

So, really the worst thing that has come from the fall of the program is that many Nebraska fans have been shown to be terrible losers, expressing an arrogant sense of entitlement and a childish sense of being poor sports. Of course this indictment does not include everyone or perhaps even most fans --- but enough fans have been unsportsmanlike and ridiculous in their behavior that the fan base at Nebraska is rightly viewed now as no different than any other collective fan base. We are great if we win and not when we lose.

The team will likely get better and recover. Will the fans?
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Great post. And no the fans won't recover. Ever. They want it to be the 90's again. We all know college football in the year 2007 is not in anyway, shape or form like it was inthe 90's. We are not special in the College Football world any longer. Haven't been for a very long time. We, as fans, are just so unrelenting and demanding with our expectations. We demand success now, right now and pout and call the coaches names when we don't get we want, when we want it. Yes, we expect a good/great football team however, we are not entitled to one. We are not entitled to anything. We are just another D1 football program whose fans base happens to think Nebraska is 'special'. We're not. I've said it before...we are not entitled to ANYTHING other than to support the team, support the University. That's it. AND we, as Huskers fans, are very poor losers. That's for sure.

I know I'll catch hell for this but don't care. It's just football people...there are bigger things going on.
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Amen, Brother.

You did better in one post than I did in six.

Thank you for your clarity and precision of getting the point across.

 
robsker said:
HuskerTrucker said:
robsker said:
in the fall of the Husker program has been the fan response.

The fan base, as represented here and elsewhere has embarrassed the state of Nebraska far worse than has the football team. The response to the fall of the football team has been far, far worse than has the fall itself. The fan base needs to get a life. Losing in a football game happens 1/2 the time, by definition. Fans should expect that over time your team will eventually struggle. Our teams struggles have been few and very, very far between. That the program is down is, in and of itself, not a big issue --- nothing to get worked up over. We'll be back, in due course. We have no right to expect excellence all the time. Why are we so special?

So, really the worst thing that has come from the fall of the program is that many Nebraska fans have been shown to be terrible losers, expressing an arrogant sense of entitlement and a childish sense of being poor sports. Of course this indictment does not include everyone or perhaps even most fans --- but enough fans have been unsportsmanlike and ridiculous in their behavior that the fan base at Nebraska is rightly viewed now as no different than any other collective fan base. We are great if we win and not when we lose.

The team will likely get better and recover. Will the fans?
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What do you come to this board to do...find out what the score was last week and leave? Fans have the right to express their opinions, as long as they don't make personal attacks or threats to anyone.

I may not agree with you, but I will allow you to express yourself, but expect to be able to do the same. You say that the response of the fans have been bad? Wrong...these are fans that are expressing their displeasure at a system that has been terrible. Bad fans would keep their mouths shut and just accept it as par for the course. The fans in Nebraska know what it is to win...and expect to be competitive, which this team has been neither. They have watched one of the top defenses be run into the ground literally....damn right we are going to have something to say about it, no matter what you or anyone else thinks. What would you do...sit on your butt and take the attitude that it was okay to be at the bottom, because someone has to be? That is not good enough for me....and I WILL express my feelings about it...you just go ahead and sit on your butt, and choose to criticize the fans...what are you going to do...hire new ones? You better learn to live with them...or better yet, become one.
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No one is advocating that we should "think it is OK to be at the bottom." Instead it is an issue of expressing ourselves in a way that is civil, non-inflammatory and far more important than the expression of the concern is the underlying attitude --- we as Husker fans are not entitled to winning teams any more than are any other fans (Baylor fans, SMU fans, USC fans, or fans of any other program). We should now, especially now, appreciate the good old days. I went to NU as a student in 1983 and have ever since been a dedicated fan. Many, many good and many great years in that time span. And now some bad ones. They go together. So we root for, support and hope for better But the entitlement is really something that is arrogant. The NU football team owes us nothing. We should appreciate what we had and hope to see it again. In the intervening period of time we still need to enjoy and support the program.

Now, I have myself denounced this staff --- I was one of the earliest to state my displeasure with Callahan. I am myself guilty of some of what I have pointed out as being problematic with the fan base.

But, like the team, we have a chance to improve as well. Lets let this staff walk out with some dignity and actually thank them. Honestly, I feel sorry for these coaches (and their families). All they did was work their hearts out and do their best. The results were not there and the time is now to go elsewhere for leadership. But the bitterness and rancor against these guys is just wrong. And the arrogant notion that just because we root for the Big Red we DESERVE a winning team every year is unrealistic, wrong and as well needs to change.
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What is so wrong about thinking that you can have a winning team every year? If you don't believe that there is that possibility, then you are accepting mediocrity... Every season I believe that we will have a winning program...this year we weren't even competitive. That is a problem.

There is no sense of entitlement. We know it takes talent and hard work to win. We recruit players that we believe have the talent and are willing to work towards the goal of winning a National Championship. In return we offer the opportunity to play in a quality program with quality coaching. It isn't so much that we DESERVE anything, we try and take the right steps to be at least competitive, hopefully more, by hiring quality coaches, recruiting top players that are willing to work towards winning, and provide some of the best facilities, if not the best, in the country. We do EXPECT some return...and for the money that BC and company was paid, we should have done better than being ranked at the bottom in defense. We have never in the history of Husker football sunk to that level, and have maintained a better team for far less money over the years. These coaches were supposed to be good...and they were far from it. There has been no leadership on this team, and that starts with the coaches.

There are other threads, where I have stated that their families and they do not deserve the treatment that some have given them. The some is a very small minority. But there is no reason that these coaches cannot be criticized for not producing. Anyone that says otherwise should be living out in CA where there are no winners and there are no losers....everyone feels good. Football is all about competition...there are winners, there are losers. The losers should be the teams that are not taking the steps that are needed to win. The University has taken the steps that should have made us competitive, but because these coaches have a philosophy that doesn't work in Nebraska...we aren't. When you have a tumor, you cut it out. These coaches have become a tumor, they need to be removed to save the rest of the program. And any fan that sees this has the right to say so...

So, if your so worried about their feelings being hurt because of the criticism of their job performance, too bad...move to California with the liberals. If your argument is with the people that are taking personal attacks...I am with you brother...nobody deserves that. They are paid the big bucks to come up with a program that wins, or at least is competitive...they haven't done it. It has gone down hill since they arrived on scene. The people that are here they recruited for the most part...they have run out of excuses. It is time for them to go.

 
robsker said:
REDSTEEL said:
OH how terrible other fans might think were no better then them. How could I act Elitist if they think that they are just like me. :sarcasm

If thats the way you think maybe your the ones with the problems.
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If you are referring to me, and might not be --- but in the event that you are --- please reread my earlier posts. I am not concerned with how we as fans are viewed. Reputation is not the issue. And, like you, it is the elitism that I am countering --- elitism in the form of the arrogant notion of entitlement. I am simply saying we collectively need to allow this staff to leave in dignity and then to support the next staff no matter what happens expecting only their best and not wanting to lynch them if NU is not Top 10 within a few years. Only 10 out of 115 or so in any year are Top 10 --- why should we expect and demand that NU be there? Hope for, root for, and cheer for --- sure. But to expect that level of performance (or even something approaching it) every year and then cry like babies when it does not happen, attacking those "responsible" (somehow thinking that we are more deserving as fans to be Top 10 than are the fans of the other 105 teams that are not) --- that is elitism and is wrong.

So we are in agreement. No elitism.
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Nope never even read your post.

 
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