The Democrat Utopia

Decked said:
I think socialist policies are getting more popular particularly in the 18-20s crowds and Cuomo is a giant d!(k. NYC is an expensive city. The USA right now is incredibly expensive. It makes sense that someone could be enticed into voting for such things. Insert Bernie Sanders. You are both correct to some degree or another but I would align more with the fact that Cuomo sucks rather than socialism is taking roots into NY.
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For the record, I'm not claiming that my post is correct. I'm asking. I know nothing about the race. But, I do know Cuomo is very unpopular right now due to things he's done in office.

Yes, NYC is very expensive. I enjoy visiting every once in a while, but I would not want to live there.
 
The US economy was strongest for the middle class when we had a mix of capitalism and socialism in our policies. But the Cold War propaganda made socialism scary and now we live in a society with socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest. It really shouldn't be a surprise that the pendulum is swinging back the other way.
 
RedDenver said:
The US economy was strongest for the middle class when we had a mix of capitalism and socialism in our policies. But the Cold War propaganda made socialism scary and now we live in a society with socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest. It really shouldn't be a surprise that the pendulum is swinging back the other way.
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The US has ALWAYS been a combination of socialism and capitalism. I just roll my eyes when one side completely demonizes one part of that. The discussion would be what parts of our systems do we want more socialistic and which ones more capitalistic.

But....we can't have that because people believe one side or the other is going to destroy everything good in the world.
 
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Decked said:
I think socialist policies are getting more popular particularly in the 18-20s crowds and Cuomo is a giant d!(k. NYC is an expensive city. The USA right now is incredibly expensive. It makes sense that someone could be enticed into voting for such things. Insert Bernie Sanders. You are both correct to some degree or another but I would align more with the fact that Cuomo sucks rather than socialism is taking roots into NY.
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I think that Cuomo representing the worst parts of a politician did not help. The worry is that lesson Democrats draw from this are that they should run his campaign politics nationally, which would be a disaster.

knapplc said:
I haven't paid attention to the NYC mayor's race. Is this an endorsement of Mamdani, or an indictment of Cuomo?

What are Mamdani's "toxic" policies?
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His politics are typical for a progressive candidate in a large city: Things like freezing rent to combat housing prices (a bad idea), creating city run grocery stores in "food deserts" (an expensive and really bad idea) and to make transit like subways and busses free (a terrible idea).

He's defended the phrase "globalized the intifada" because he's embraced the pro-palestian elements of the progressive wing, which might be the single dumbest thing I've ever seen by a politician - A considerable accomplishment. It's why we need to contain whatever sort of liberal hell this is and contain it to NYC so it doesn't leak to states like New Jersey, which Trump nearly won.
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
I think that Cuomo representing the worst parts of a politician did not help. The worry is that lesson Democrats draw from this are that they should run his campaign politics nationally, which would be a disaster.


His politics are typical for a progressive candidate in a large city: Things like freezing rent to combat housing prices (a bad idea), creating city run grocery stores in "food deserts" (an expensive and really bad idea) and to make transit like subways and busses free (a terrible idea).

He's defended the phrase "globalized the intifada" because he's embraced the pro-palestian elements of the progressive wing, which might be the single dumbest thing I've ever seen by a politician - A considerable accomplishment. It's why we need to contain whatever sort of liberal hell this is and contain it to NYC so it doesn't leak to states like New Jersey, which Trump nearly won.
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That's saying something from someone living around San Fran.
 
RedDenver said:
The US economy was strongest for the middle class when we had a mix of capitalism and socialism in our policies. But the Cold War propaganda made socialism scary and now we live in a society with socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest. It really shouldn't be a surprise that the pendulum is swinging back the other way.
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How do we have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest?
 
Archy1221 said:
How do we have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest?
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Capitalism, as a pure idea, involves little to zero state influence, where winning or losing is determined by market forces only and your own success or failure is only yours and nobody elses.

Socialism, as a pure idea, is a collective approach to risk sharing, redistributing and/or sharing resources together towards stability and security.

While it's not a true or pure binary, you don't have to look any further than the 2008 collapse to understand the idea of socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest. The people and institutions who caused the collapse not only weren't prosecuted, didn't lose any bonuses or income, but were also given trillions of dollars in bailouts that we paid for, while we also lost our homes, jobs, life savings and stability.

Their gains are privatized. Their risk is socialized.
 
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