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zoogs said:
Trump's also shown little interest in representing people who didn't vote for him, hasn't he? What gets his attention are what voters from Trump districts want.
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Other presidents have done this too. He will not be the first nor the last.

Getting out of the agreement in my mind is good, because now other countries have to learn to survive on their own instead of allow the US to continually bail them out.

I found this article interesting on the take, getting out saves jobs for lots of people.

http://www.breitbart.com/economics/2017/05/31/every-bad-thing-avoided-rejecting-paris-climate-accords/

 
HuskermanMike said:
zoogs said:
Trump's also shown little interest in representing people who didn't vote for him, hasn't he? What gets his attention are what voters from Trump districts want.
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Other presidents have done this too. He will not be the first nor the last.Getting out of the agreement in my mind is good, because now other countries have to learn to survive on their own instead of allow the US to continually bail them out.

I found this article interesting on the take, getting out saves jobs for lots of people.

http://www.breitbart.com/economics/2017/05/31/every-bad-thing-avoided-rejecting-paris-climate-accords/
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Example Breitbart headline:

"Here's Why There Ought to Be a Cap on Women Studying Science and Maths"

Eff anyone who uses it as a source for anything other than to induce vomiting.

 
dudeguyy said:
knapplc said:
Maybe it was this woman from Fox News. She says Trump called her this morning to discuss the climate deal, taxes, etc.
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Could it be any more obvious he's a figurehead?

Vox with a takedown asserting Trump quite honestly has no idea about anything he's doing at any given time.

An incredibly telling thing Trump said at today’s Paris event wasn’t about climate at all

Perhaps the most telling thing President Trump said in his rambling justification of his decision to pull out of the Paris accords on climate change wasn’t about climate change at all. It was, rather, about the speedy advance of his administration’s tax bill in the United States Congress.



The thing about this is there is, literally, no tax bill.

  • No tax bill has been introduced to the US House of Representatives.
  • No tax bill has been introduced to the US Senate.
  • The White House has not released a tax plan that is detailed enough for experts to assess its economic or fiscal impact.
Indeed, just a week ago, Trump’s Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney explained that what most experts saw as a $2 trillion accounting mistake in the White House budget was actually deliberate.

“It is and was too early to make any assumptions about what the final tax bill looks like," he told members of the House Budget Committee, and that’s why the proposal does not assume any fiscal cost of the tax legislation.

Trump has no idea what he’s talking about

This is, to me, the scariest aspect of Trump’s approach to issues like the Paris accords.
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I have to agree wt Morning Joe here - Bannon is the president behind the president. Is Trump a policy wonk - we all know that he isn't. His knowledge of policy is skin deep if that. The primary candidates exposed him for that, yet mesmerized (by a few envy evoking words Make America Great Again), voters nominated him. His policy ideas are evolving because he only had to really learn and thing about policy during the last 2 years. So, he gets up to speak and it sounds shallow. However, the real policy wonk is directing his actions - Steve Bannon.

https://www.axios.com/scarborough-steve-bannon-is-the-real-president-2430129219.html

 
dudeguyy said:
knapplc said:
Maybe it was this woman from Fox News. She says Trump called her this morning to discuss the climate deal, taxes, etc.
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Could it be any more obvious he's a figurehead?

Vox with a takedown asserting Trump quite honestly has no idea about anything he's doing at any given time.

An incredibly telling thing Trump said at today’s Paris event wasn’t about climate at all

Perhaps the most telling thing President Trump said in his rambling justification of his decision to pull out of the Paris accords on climate change wasn’t about climate change at all. It was, rather, about the speedy advance of his administration’s tax bill in the United States Congress.



The thing about this is there is, literally, no tax bill.

  • No tax bill has been introduced to the US House of Representatives.
  • No tax bill has been introduced to the US Senate.
  • The White House has not released a tax plan that is detailed enough for experts to assess its economic or fiscal impact.
Indeed, just a week ago, Trump’s Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney explained that what most experts saw as a $2 trillion accounting mistake in the White House budget was actually deliberate.

“It is and was too early to make any assumptions about what the final tax bill looks like," he told members of the House Budget Committee, and that’s why the proposal does not assume any fiscal cost of the tax legislation.

Trump has no idea what he’s talking about

This is, to me, the scariest aspect of Trump’s approach to issues like the Paris accords.
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https://www.axios.com/scarborough-steve-bannon-is-the-real-president-2430129219.html

Have to agree wt Morning Joe here. Trump is no policy wonk. He's only had to think about policy for 2 years. The primaries exposed his shallowness, but his voters were mesmerized by these 4 words: Make America Great Again. So Steve Bannon is the tail waging the dog. The policy wonk behind the president. Trump gets up to speak and it sounds shallow because he doesn't have the depth of understanding to make it all sound believable. Bannon is the president behind the president.

 
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Here's the attitude I'm taking on this.

OK...in his speech yesterday, he said he will start renegotiating this deal so it is not a negative for the US.

So......here we are, out of the agreement. It's time to put up or shut up. There isn't any going back for the administration. He specifically said, "If we reach a new agreement, it will be great. If not...fine."

Well, he needs to rethink that "Fine". If the Republicans absolutely hated the Paris Accord, then they obviously don't want a new agreement signed by the Democrats in the future either. How do you prevent that? By putting in place an agreement yourself.

If a Democrat would come to office in 2020 or 2024 without an environmental agreement in place world wide, it's going to be one of THE top priorities and the Republicans are going to be right back where they started by hating whatever the Dems did.

The same goes for trade deals. We've heard one hell of a lot of bluster from Trump. That's easy to do. He hasn't done anything that takes guts, determination and smarts to do. BUT, now that he has done what he's done, he's on the clock. Now he has to prove what he claims he can do as the world's greatest negotiator.

 
How many times do people have to see Trump + the GOP rail against something endlessly for how horrible it is and how much better they could do it, only to see them fail to follow through, before we just start calling them a bunch of frauds filled with hot air?

Healthcare...

Economic growth...

Tax reform...

International climate agreements...

They're on the clock for all of them.

 
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/336036-mit-officials-trump-misunderstood-our-climate-research

"Even if the Paris Agreement were implemented in full, with total compliance from all nations, it is estimated it would only produce a two-tenths of one degree Celsius reduction in global temperature by the year 2100," [Trump] said. The White House attributed the claim to the MIT study, according to Reuters.

…But MIT officials rejected that assertion, saying that, without the agreement, the temperature could rise more dramatically.

"If we don't do anything, we might shoot over 5 degrees or more and that would be catastrophic," John Reilly, the co-director of the university's Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change, told Reuters.
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dudeguyy said:
And in other words, Mike Pence still doesn't get what all the fuss is about...
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and the flat earthers in the republican party don't recognize the threat. f#*k this party...i am changing to democratic and voting based on candidates not having an R by their names. this party is f'ing retarded.

 
dudeguyy said:
And in other words, Mike Pence still doesn't get what all the fuss is about...
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Can't be hassled by this silly climate change crap when the big issues like taking away peoples healthcare, closing down planned parenthood and making sure gay people cannot marry each other need addressing.

 
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