This is exactly what I thought as well. He is young also, but the change for a series would have helped I think. If Martinez is that mentally frail then I don't think he should be our QB. I do not want to throw T-mart under the bus, but wasting another QB on the bench is just as bad IMO.
But dont you think that there comes a time where that needs to be his "thing" for us to be successful? We dont have the personnel to absolutely tear competition apart with the run game like we did in the glory days. At that time we were bigger and stronger than everyone else. I dont mind pounding the rock all game, but bottom line is, if we need a 2 min drill the length of the field to win the game, we might as well close up shop. We dont need a Peyton Manning arm, nor do we need Michael Vick legs, we need a QB that is that, a quarterback.
If you would have grabbed the full quote string you would have seen that I wasn't the one who made that comparison.
If we're going down that road, don't we also have to go down the road that it has to be "the thing" of our O Line to blow up opposing defenses, too? There are a lot of positions out there that need to develop a different "thing" for us to relive the success we used to enjoy.
You still have to be able to hit open receivers when asked to do so. I saw MULTIPLE times where we had guys running WIDE open on Saturday and Martinez either throws it way behind them and misses the read completely. I'm sorry, but yes you don't need to be able to pass 20-30 times a game to be successful but when you are throwing it 10-15 times you should be able to complete at least half of those. Martinez is completely failing on reads and has not improved what so ever. I'm all for supporting our players but there comes a point where they just need to start getting better. He has not shown that yet.
Absolutely agree. Missed checkdowns, bad passes to wide-open receivers, underthrown balls, fumbles - these are all legitimate things he HAS TO fix. There's no other way to say it.
That all depends on your definition of successful. If you are content to win eight or nine games and go to mid-level bowl then yes. If you want to compete for the MNC I believe you have to be able to throw the ball, and throw it with a measure of compentcy. We did prove for decades that you can win running the ball....decades ago (decade and a half actually). Look back at the last 20 or so national champions and see how many of them could not throw the efficently.
The only problem with this is that coaches these days (see Beck and Watson) seem to think otherwise. I would give anything to run 80% of the time. I think you can be very successful doing this. Martinez could be very successful in an offense like that. Good luck convincing our coaches though. Beck proved my greatest fear against Wisconsin in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. He is just like Watson in that he is going to "take what the defense gives" instead of "taking what we want." This is what I hated most with Watson. Who cares if you think you can throw against certain opponents. If you are a running team, you run the ball, regardless of what the opponent gives you. I don't think our game plan should ever change much offensively from game to game. I certainly don't think Osborne did this. I guess I just don't understand how you can go from being a passing team in one game and then a running team in the next game. It is impossible to switch like this.
Well I guess that is where we agree to disagree, I think that the caliber of talent has changed, or rather improved on every other squad that running only will only get you so far with success. I think its important to note that our QB's which had success for years running the ball had a distinct running style. I am not really sure how to explain it. Crouch, Frost, Fraiser, etc, they were running backs. They had a running style. Taylor has speed, but when the option to the short side of the field is closed, he slows up and braces for a hit. He doesn't really have the ability to juke or power his way for the extra yard or two. I guess it comes down to the opportunity cost of Taylor hitting the big one occasionally to being stopped for a loss or no gain more often.
Yes, I have, which is exactly why I posted that in response to a comment that Martinez needs to become a passing quarterback to succeed. This is what we're asking Martinez to do - heck, it's what we asked him to do between the first and second quarters Saturday. We went from a team predominantly running the ball to a team that passed on something-teen successive plays. That is not putting him in a position to succeed.