The Nebraska Way

[RedRedJarvisRedwine]

My boy SPH keepin it real in here! Y'all better recognize!

 

[desertshox]

Bo had a wife beater on his staff, I never saw the out pouring of hate toward him. What if he had killed her right before the bowl game? Would that have left a stain on our image?? Nobody is perfect in this life. A little fender bender nearly 10 years after his last offense does not need to get him discarded for someone else that likely has skeletons in their closet.

This is easily fixable. Riley suspends him for a few months to send a message to him and the players that nobody is above the rules and the AD redoes his contract to stipulate NO Alcohol consumption for the remainder of the time he is employed by the University, or it is automatic dismissal.

Different scenarios because the offense occurred later. And not relevant.

We already talked about TO. You have your facts wrong. It's a bad idea going with a version of events based on a single prosecutor's press release.

Tom hid a gun in his desk for Abdul Muhammad, he wrote about it in his book. My facts are facts. You just deny and put your opinion out as fact.

I think you missed what CM said - he only speaks FACTS

There's an irony in you calling me out while we are still waiting for a link to the "fact" that TO hid a gun for Muhammad.

the si hit piece has a quote from osborne about the incident. and it was tyrone wiliams gun that steele and osborne hid.

 

[StPaulHusker]

No one is perfect. The question is, do you consistently apply the correct reasoning even if the result isn't always right or preferred. It's literally what the inscription on the stadium means.

You realize that inscription was put there before we were a winning program?

Yep.

I ask again, does your analysis of the handling of LP change at all if you find out that Kate McEwen and her attorney thought he should be reinstated?

No it doesn't. Plenty of battered women defend their abusers. That doesn't make it right.

She wasn't defending him or his actions.

Why is it morally "right" to kick LP off the team with no chance of reinstatement?

For the record, I never stated he should have been kicked off the team. I said TO handled it wrong.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Once we get over this notion that our winning way is so much more special and unique than anyother, that's when we'll truly have a Nebraska way.

I used to be like you. I lived during the 90's. My hard attention began right at about 1991. Pretty damn convenient right? My childhood being that of nothing but success? Then these harder times hit. Firing coaches with wining records. and I see this nebraska way being brought up. So i started thinking. What is it? And the more I think, and see everything going on, and analyzing all that has happened in the past and the what coulda beens had we lost a game or two extra here and there, or won an extra game here and there, tells me that the Nebraska Way is nothing more than just the winning way. it's really that simple.

This is my post from the other thread.......

Thats what you want to believe it means. And you can bet your a$$, that had Osborne never won titles, there wouldntve been all this "back to Nebraska way" stuff. And had Callahan or Bo won some sort of championship, it wouldve been restored in the blink of an eye. Winning. That's all it is. Just winning. We like to think as a fanbase we've won in some unique way. Like we took a harder road than most. Running game. Walk-ons, etc. When it's probably the exact opposite. We used those things cuz they were the best fit for us to make winning easiest. Running a program and cheering for a program is not stoic or special. it goes on everywhere. in every sport. You win, you get to keep going. you lose, youre out and we go in another direction. i think we're a bit blinded by the fact that we had the same coach for 25 years with consistent results, and think everything was alway hunky dory, and use that to legitimize this fictional Nebraska Way. When in fact, it wasnt always hunky dory, and on more than one occasion, that so called Nebraska Way almost died long before the Nebraska Way actually became what it is now perceived to be. If Osborne loses the Liberty bowl and gets fired, leaves for Colorado, or steps aside after 1990, and Nebraska doesnt win to nearly the tick that they did, then there is no Nebraska Way.

And yes, CM I have read Scott Frost's commentary on this. Ive read more books and watched more documentaries on Epply, Stark, Osborne, Devaney etc. to make your head spin. I could pamper you with more history and info of the top of my head that make you go crosseyes. But here's the great thing about humanity. Frost doesnt speak for me. I can develop my own opinion. And I have the confidenece and arrogance that my opinion is right. And Frost is another interesting cog in the Nebraska way discussion. The savior. The gold child. The one who didnt want to be here to begin with. That only came back cuz he figured out fit. And probably one who has no interest in returning.

These values you describe are winning values. They were established as tools to win. Devaney and Osborne, while revered as angels, were competitive sonsabitches. They werent doing some holier than thow methods to make everyone feel good. They were doing things that fit and could win. Its just a concept I look at from afar thinking we're really not anymore unique than anyone else who wants to win. And these last 15 years have finally exposed that. It's a concept that was manufactured by 40 years of consistency and a blind assumption that it was ALWAYS great.

What would you say your thesis is? Because all of those words don't really draw a point, except that you seem to think there's nothing unique about the way Devaney and Osborne built the single greatest program in CFB between the mid 1960s and 2001.

If we weren't doing things in a unique way, why did we have unique results?

And it sounds like we are about the same age; I don't think your knowledge of husker history is better than many on this board.

What results were unique? 1993-1997 was unique. 1962-2000 wasnt unique. Oklahoma has just as much if not more success in that era. Michigan. Ohio St. USC. There were other successful programs with unique amounts of success over such a long stretch. this is simple fanaticism. We want to think we are so much better than everyone else, so we try legitimize with ideas like "the Nebraska way" We're special, cuz we did it this completely different way. And then try to explain those way with things like, we work harder, we have walkons, we run the ball ,etc etc etc. yet changes in things like simple schemes and philosophies were copied from other programs already doing it. in 1980, Osborne copied switzer and went and got him a black qb-stole him from Switzer- to run the option more to get to the next level. In 1992, we copied FSU, Miami and moved everyone up a level on defense to get faster so we could get to the next level. So things like arent very unique, are they? So what was unique? What are these set of values you speak of, the other winning programs dont take part in? What is the winning formula that was so unique that other winning programs-these so called blue bloods of college football-dont have. this is my point on trying to legitimize the uniqueness. By generalizing with vague terms like "values" and "winning formula".

 

[Count 'Bility]

Bo had a wife beater on his staff, I never saw the out pouring of hate toward him. What if he had killed her right before the bowl game? Would that have left a stain on our image?? Nobody is perfect in this life. A little fender bender nearly 10 years after his last offense does not need to get him discarded for someone else that likely has skeletons in their closet.

This is easily fixable. Riley suspends him for a few months to send a message to him and the players that nobody is above the rules and the AD redoes his contract to stipulate NO Alcohol consumption for the remainder of the time he is employed by the University, or it is automatic dismissal.

Different scenarios because the offense occurred later. And not relevant.

We already talked about TO. You have your facts wrong. It's a bad idea going with a version of events based on a single prosecutor's press release.

Tom hid a gun in his desk for Abdul Muhammad, he wrote about it in his book. My facts are facts. You just deny and put your opinion out as fact.

I think you missed what CM said - he only speaks FACTS

There's an irony in you calling me out while we are still waiting for a link to the "fact" that TO hid a gun for Muhammad.

he hid the gun for Williams. Muhammad had the bullet in his buttcheek.

 

[StPaulHusker]

LP is a unique situation. His assault was the only behavioral issue he had in his time at Nebraska. it's not like the guy was causing problems every week. And, probably something forgotten, is he was one of the most well loved teammates unanimously throughout the team. if folks woulda felt like him the way they felt about Frazier, Phillips woulda been long gone. And the players, unity council had just as much if not more to do with this reinstatement as Osborne and the courts. But it is very understandable how it is perceived because of the timing and his performance on January 2, 1996.

Not the ONLY issue

http://articles.philly.com/1995-09-13/sports/25717105_1_nebraska-coach-tom-osborne-cornhuskers-damon-benning

Quote: There have been other run-ins for Phillips, who had spent most of his high school years in a group home in California. He had been suspended for a game in 1993 for fighting with a teammate. In March 1994, police said Phillips grabbed a man around the neck and pulled him away during a confrontation on a Lincoln street. Misdemeanor charges were dropped after Phillips paid the man $400 for a necklace the man said was damaged.

 

[knapplc]

Kate McEwen did not make a plea that Lawrence Philips should be allowed back on the team. The University offered her round-the-clock protection in the wake of Phillips' attack. She left Nebraska after we failed to honor her scholarship.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Kate McEwen did not make a plea that Lawrence Philips should be allowed back on the team. The University offered her round-the-clock protection in the wake of Phillips' attack. She left Nebraska after we failed to honor her scholarship.

Because she "didn't show progress in her basketball abilities."

I wonder what circumstances might have gotten in the way of her succeeding...

 

[BigRedBuster]

Is it the start of the season yet?

 

[huskerfan2000]

Kate McEwen did not make a plea that Lawrence Philips should be allowed back on the team. The University offered her round-the-clock protection in the wake of Phillips' attack. She left Nebraska after we failed to honor her scholarship.

I don't know so I am asking. Do you have any facts to back this up?

 

[cm husker]

judging by all the LP talk, methinks the vast majority didnt read the link.

If you read only that SI hit piece, you'll come away with a wrong (let alone incomplete) view of what happened.

um, i was referring to the fact it also included several more incidents that occurred in the early to mid 90's that have basically been ignored in this discussion.

And I'm referring to the fact that of the four players charged those years, only two were found guilty.

Why should TO have kicked Benning and Muhammad out of the program for crimes they weren't guilty of? Yet, SI tries to draw those incidents into the article in an effort to paint a narrative that simply isn't accurate.

Benning finished school and has become a valued member of the local media.

HEre's what Muhammed appears to be doing: http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/football/former-husker-muhammad-finds-his-reward-helping-youth/article_7d4e1af6-1420-5d97-871b-a59a39cfc753.html

Even C. Peter has turned things around.

 

[Mavric]

For the record, I never stated he should have been kicked off the team. I said TO handled it wrong.

I've generally agreed with you on this situation but I'm curious about this comment. LP only played one more game at Nebraska. So about the only thing to do differently would have been to kick him off the team.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Kate McEwen did not make a plea that Lawrence Philips should be allowed back on the team. The University offered her round-the-clock protection in the wake of Phillips' attack. She left Nebraska after we failed to honor her scholarship.

I don't know so I am asking. Do you have any facts to back this up?

Here is an article about the scholarship not being renewed

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/19/sports/colleges-husker-rebuff-for-phillips-s-assault-victim.html

 

[knapplc]

Kate McEwen did not make a plea that Lawrence Philips should be allowed back on the team. The University offered her round-the-clock protection in the wake of Phillips' attack. She left Nebraska after we failed to honor her scholarship.

I don't know so I am asking. Do you have any facts to back this up?

Yes. I'd like to see a source for this claim that McEwen and her attorney asked for his reinstatement, because that's just about a pure fabrication.

 

[Count 'Bility]

For the record, I never stated he should have been kicked off the team. I said TO handled it wrong.

I've generally agreed with you on this situation but I'm curious about this comment. LP only played one more game at Nebraska. So about the only thing to do differently would have been to kick him off the team.

well, technically, 4 more games. he suited and appeared in the Iowa St, Kansas, and Oklahoma games. But wasnt back to his old form till the Fiesta Bowl. He was glaringly rusty in the other 3.