The Nebraska Way

[Count 'Bility]

Bo had a wife beater on his staff, I never saw the out pouring of hate toward him. What if he had killed her right before the bowl game? Would that have left a stain on our image?? Nobody is perfect in this life. A little fender bender nearly 10 years after his last offense does not need to get him discarded for someone else that likely has skeletons in their closet.

This is easily fixable. Riley suspends him for a few months to send a message to him and the players that nobody is above the rules and the AD redoes his contract to stipulate NO Alcohol consumption for the remainder of the time he is employed by the University, or it is automatic dismissal.

Different scenarios because the offense occurred later. And not relevant.

We already talked about TO. You have your facts wrong. It's a bad idea going with a version of events based on a single prosecutor's press release.

Tom hid a gun in his desk for Abdul Muhammad, he wrote about it in his book. My facts are facts. You just deny and put your opinion out as fact.

I think you missed what CM said - he only speaks FACTS

There's an irony in you calling me out while we are still waiting for a link to the "fact" that TO hid a gun for Muhammad.

the si hit piece has a quote from osborne about the incident. and it was tyrone wiliams gun that steele and osborne hid.

In contrast to Saber, you at least seem to know some of the "facts" around that incident, like who was involved.

Now I recommend you look for the additional information that the prosecutor didn't release in his press statements.

Some of those facts will include that TO and his staff immediately notified police of the gun, kept it secure (didn't try to "hide" it or destroy it) and held it for only two days, turning it over immediately when a police officer came to retrieve it.

If you go only off of an SI article and Lacey's statements, I understand why you come away with the impression that TO obstructed justice.

But, one only has to ask: was he or his staff even investigated for, let alone charged with, obstruction or hiding evidence? The answer is a resounding no. AND, Williams was not guilty of the underlying crime allegedly involving the gun.

People need to stop believing that prosecutor press releases are gospel.

Taking Osborne's word for everything is great if you believe he has unimpeachable character. He's shown he doesn't, and therefore should be scrutinized heavily, as should his statements and actions.

When you treat coaches like infallible gods, taking their word only, you get situations like Art Briles and Joe Paterno. Those aren't mistakes I'd like to see replicated at Nebraska. Stop putting coaches on pedestals, and start looking at them as they are. Use all the facts.

I'm not taking Osborne's word on everything.

Hiding a gun is a felony. Was TO, his staff or anyone else investigated - let alone charged with - this crime?

Or is it all a vast coverup that only a single prosecutor would air?

Paterno went 30 years letting some guy butt rape boys in the shower and never said anything and was never questioned. This is all the point Knapp is making. Your point on TO not being investigated or charged for this doesnt mean he shouldntve been and is absolved of all possible wrong doing. fact is, no one for sure really knows. This topic is like anything else. Opinion vs opinion.

So you're equating TO to Paterno.

This is sickening.

People aren't stating "TO hid a gun" as an opinion. They are stating it as fact.

This is why ppl here cant stand you. Your reading comprehension sucks. Just frickin sucks. No one is equating one to the other (Though Osborne has been open about his freindship with Paterno, LOL). The point is all about Knapps concept of putting coaches of a game on pedestals as god like creatures that can do no wrong. You get instances of ignorance and all trusting. Which leads to things like the Penn St issues.

hooked on phonics man. Give it a shot.

 

[knapplc]

The hero-worship of Tom Osborne is out of control. He's human. He'd be the first to admit he didn't handle all of those situations the way he should.

So let's chill with the knee-jerk defense of everything he's ever done. He's made mistakes, some of them pretty egregious.

 

[cm husker]

It's hard for that claim to hold up when many people, including the victim, thought he handled it in a reasonable way.

This is a flat lie. Kate McEwen did not say this.

From an October, 2015 news conference which McEwen didn't even attend because she had already left the state:

Last Oct. 24, after Phillips was reinstated to the football team, Beck read McEwen's only public statement since the assault in an emotional news conference. "While there have been sanctions imposed by the university and the team," it said in part, "nothing can be done to change what has happened to me. I'm glad the situation is finally coming to an end and I'm anxious to get on with my life and basketball."

Knapp, does that say they handled it wrong? It says they can't undo what happened, which is true.

And man, check your sources. That was not from a 2015 news conference.

McEwen's scholarship was not pulled because of the Phillips' incident. It simply wasn't. And that's a pretty nasty accusation to throw at Beck (and one not supported by McEwen's own words).

I don't think it's unreasonable too see that the incident, and the aftermath may have affected her development as a player. Which would indirectly lead to a revocation of her scholarship by the coach.

Again, you obviously are out of your depth and now you're just creating a fictional narrative.

She had played barely at all prior to the incident and had been on a medical hardship for a year. Two other players were also taken off financial scholarship that year for similar reasons.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Bob Devany would have drank Keith Williams under the table, the Nebraska way.

Jeebus. Post of the year. Dude never fails.

 

[TAKODA]

Jezuz,

This thread is akin to our current presidential election process.

 

[cm husker]

Bo had a wife beater on his staff, I never saw the out pouring of hate toward him. What if he had killed her right before the bowl game? Would that have left a stain on our image?? Nobody is perfect in this life. A little fender bender nearly 10 years after his last offense does not need to get him discarded for someone else that likely has skeletons in their closet.

This is easily fixable. Riley suspends him for a few months to send a message to him and the players that nobody is above the rules and the AD redoes his contract to stipulate NO Alcohol consumption for the remainder of the time he is employed by the University, or it is automatic dismissal.

Different scenarios because the offense occurred later. And not relevant.

We already talked about TO. You have your facts wrong. It's a bad idea going with a version of events based on a single prosecutor's press release.

Tom hid a gun in his desk for Abdul Muhammad, he wrote about it in his book. My facts are facts. You just deny and put your opinion out as fact.

I think you missed what CM said - he only speaks FACTS

There's an irony in you calling me out while we are still waiting for a link to the "fact" that TO hid a gun for Muhammad.

the si hit piece has a quote from osborne about the incident. and it was tyrone wiliams gun that steele and osborne hid.

In contrast to Saber, you at least seem to know some of the "facts" around that incident, like who was involved.

Now I recommend you look for the additional information that the prosecutor didn't release in his press statements.

Some of those facts will include that TO and his staff immediately notified police of the gun, kept it secure (didn't try to "hide" it or destroy it) and held it for only two days, turning it over immediately when a police officer came to retrieve it.

If you go only off of an SI article and Lacey's statements, I understand why you come away with the impression that TO obstructed justice.

But, one only has to ask: was he or his staff even investigated for, let alone charged with, obstruction or hiding evidence? The answer is a resounding no. AND, Williams was not guilty of the underlying crime allegedly involving the gun.

People need to stop believing that prosecutor press releases are gospel.

Taking Osborne's word for everything is great if you believe he has unimpeachable character. He's shown he doesn't, and therefore should be scrutinized heavily, as should his statements and actions.

When you treat coaches like infallible gods, taking their word only, you get situations like Art Briles and Joe Paterno. Those aren't mistakes I'd like to see replicated at Nebraska. Stop putting coaches on pedestals, and start looking at them as they are. Use all the facts.

I'm not taking Osborne's word on everything.

Hiding a gun is a felony. Was TO, his staff or anyone else investigated - let alone charged with - this crime?

Or is it all a vast coverup that only a single prosecutor would air?

Paterno went 30 years letting some guy butt rape boys in the shower and never said anything and was never questioned. This is all the point Knapp is making. Your point on TO not being investigated or charged for this doesnt mean he shouldntve been and is absolved of all possible wrong doing. fact is, no one for sure really knows. This topic is like anything else. Opinion vs opinion.

So you're equating TO to Paterno.

This is sickening.

People aren't stating "TO hid a gun" as an opinion. They are stating it as fact.

This is why ppl here cant stand you. Your reading comprehension sucks. Just frickin sucks. No one is equating one to the other (Though Osborne has been open about his freindship with Paterno, LOL). The point is all about Knapps concept of putting coaches of a game on pedestals as god like creatures that can do no wrong. You get instances of ignorance and all trusting. Which leads to things like the Penn St issues.

hooked on phonics man. Give it a shot.

The hero-worship of Tom Osborne is out of control. He's human. He'd be the first to admit he didn't handle all of those situations the way he should.

So let's chill with the knee-jerk defense of everything he's ever done. He's made mistakes, some of them pretty egregious.

So, anyone who doesn't believe TO "hid a gun" is engaged in hero worship.

Interesting conclusion. And obviously piles of facts to the contrary won't impact your conclusion at all.

 

[Mavric]

When someone states "he acted with no integrity" that implies a very specific thing about a person.

It's hard for that claim to hold up when many people, including the victim, thought he handled it in a reasonable way.

Does anyone think that TO kept LP on the team for selfish reasons? Does anyone think that TO kept LP on the team but would not have kept a less valuable player on the team for the same offense?

Yes answers to those questions would be evidence of a lack of integrity.

But no one, including those critical in this thread, have argued those were his motives for making what may be considered a wrong decision.

That's my central issue: People equate a wrong decision (and I'm not sure it was wrong) with a lack of integrity. That's fundamentally wrong to do.

St Paul and Knapp, do you think that Riley lacks integrity for how he handled the gang rape he was aware of?

Yes TO was selfish in letting Phillips continue to play and eventually start the NC game. I believe he thought he needed LP to win the NCG. Nothing will change my mind from that because there is no other plausible explanation as to why LP was on the field at all the rest of the year.

Now before you read into it more than what is there. I said play and start. I said nothing about keeping him on the team. That is a lack of integrity on TO's part.

And I haven't read enough about Riley and the gang rape and what he did or didn't know to comment.

This part I would disagree with. I'm pretty sure TO has stated that he thought it would help LP overcome him upbringing and give him a better chance in life.

Now you can choose not to believe that if you want or say that was misguided or not a good enough reason but it's definitely plausible.

I don't doubt that keeping him on the team would help LP overcome his problems. But playing and starting him had no bearing on him for that. That's what i believe.

And you're fine to believe that and are probably right. But that's different than saying the reason he did it was because he thought he needed him to win the national championship.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Quite the s***t storm we got here.

Can we all just agree that we all have our own opinions on the Nebraska way, and that they are all equally irrelevant? There is now 'way', period.

Just a set of loose moral and ethic guidelines we would like the coaches and admin to follow, but as has been seen in the past decades not strictly followed.

This multi page pissing match is pointless and unproductive.

unproductive? its a message board. there is no productive.

no "way"? no "way"!!??

You can show your way out.

 

[knapplc]

It was from an October 1995 news conference. Pardon my typo.

What did McEwen say when they pulled her scholarship, cm husker? Please post that quote.

I already did. And by October of 1995, LP was indefinitely suspended. So what's your criticism of the situation at that moment in time?

McEwen said, ``I have made a decision to remain at the University of Nebraska and complete my degree next season. And although I will no longer play basketball, I will continue to support the team and the program.''[/size]

Another lie. You didn't say she supported the basketball team (which is what her quote is saying), you said she supported the decision to reinstate Phillips, that "he handled it in a reasonable way."

She said no such thing.

It's hard for that claim to hold up when many people, including the victim, thought he handled it in a reasonable way.

This is a flat lie. Kate McEwen did not say this.

From an October, 2015 news conference which McEwen didn't even attend because she had already left the state:

Last Oct. 24, after Phillips was reinstated to the football team, Beck read McEwen's only public statement since the assault in an emotional news conference. "While there have been sanctions imposed by the university and the team," it said in part, "nothing can be done to change what has happened to me. I'm glad the situation is finally coming to an end and I'm anxious to get on with my life and basketball."

 

[cm husker]

LP is a unique situation. His assault was the only behavioral issue he had in his time at Nebraska. it's not like the guy was causing problems every week. And, probably something forgotten, is he was one of the most well loved teammates unanimously throughout the team. if folks woulda felt like him the way they felt about Frazier, Phillips woulda been long gone. And the players, unity council had just as much if not more to do with this reinstatement as Osborne and the courts. But it is very understandable how it is perceived because of the timing and his performance on January 2, 1996.

Not the ONLY issue

http://articles.philly.com/1995-09-13/sports/25717105_1_nebraska-coach-tom-osborne-cornhuskers-damon-benning

Quote: There have been other run-ins for Phillips, who had spent most of his high school years in a group home in California. He had been suspended for a game in 1993 for fighting with a teammate. In March 1994, police said Phillips grabbed a man around the neck and pulled him away during a confrontation on a Lincoln street. Misdemeanor charges were dropped after Phillips paid the man $400 for a necklace the man said was damaged.

He fights a teammate - interesting one to be critical of considering how people talk about the fights at practice with glee.

He pulled a guy away from a confrontation - some would say that is "breaking up a fight"

In the effort to pillory NU's history to justify the present decisions, you guys are really jumping the shark.

 

[knapplc]

So, anyone who doesn't believe TO "hid a gun" is engaged in hero worship.

Please show where someone has said this.

 

[Count 'Bility]

So, anyone who doesn't believe TO "hid a gun" is engaged in hero worship.

Please show where someone has said this.

This is what he does. He's either really stupid or really clever, in that he gets to a point where he's certain he's on the wrong side of an arguement, so he quickly puts a sharp spin on comment to try and flip the narrative in his favor. He just did it a bit ago by saying we were comparing TO to Paternon in their behavior.

 

[StPaulHusker]

It's hard for that claim to hold up when many people, including the victim, thought he handled it in a reasonable way.

This is a flat lie. Kate McEwen did not say this.

From an October, 2015 news conference which McEwen didn't even attend because she had already left the state:

Last Oct. 24, after Phillips was reinstated to the football team, Beck read McEwen's only public statement since the assault in an emotional news conference. "While there have been sanctions imposed by the university and the team," it said in part, "nothing can be done to change what has happened to me. I'm glad the situation is finally coming to an end and I'm anxious to get on with my life and basketball."

Knapp, does that say they handled it wrong? It says they can't undo what happened, which is true.

And man, check your sources. That was not from a 2015 news conference.

McEwen's scholarship was not pulled because of the Phillips' incident. It simply wasn't. And that's a pretty nasty accusation to throw at Beck (and one not supported by McEwen's own words).

I don't think it's unreasonable too see that the incident, and the aftermath may have affected her development as a player. Which would indirectly lead to a revocation of her scholarship by the coach.

Again, you obviously are out of your depth and now you're just creating a fictional narrative.

She had played barely at all prior to the incident and had been on a medical hardship for a year. Two other players were also taken off financial scholarship that year for similar reasons.

Can you say that the incident played no part whatsoever just because of her past playing and what 2 other people had happen to them?

 

[Enhance]

Does everyone really want to know the secret to "The Nebraska Way?"

It's called the Ignore function.

 

[cm husker]

Did Devaney cause a car accident while intoxicated?

What's funny is I don't even think Williams should necessarily be fired. Or that Riley was necessarily wrong in how he handled the players accused of gang rape. But you guys are impossible in your hypocrisies.