The Oscar Boycott
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Scratchtown
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Honestly? I haven't in a while. (Student teaching, looking for jobs, etc...). I try to leave the P&R forum alone especially in times of "controversy". You know how it goes though. It's offseason. My specialty lies within the sports/coaching realm. But, it's hard to stay away and read up on others opinions. Even though most of the time they are directly opposite of mine.
So, to attempt to take your advice and contribute. I get tired of hearing how black people aren't treated fairly. I read everyone's (on this board, mostly you, LOMS) reasoning for why or how this is taking place but I just can't get my head around it when the biggest societal industry has more blacks participating in them than whites. That's the sports industry. I don't see a problem with it. Sports are generally black dominated, and movies are white dominated.
Maybe there is just a higher percentage of whites that are better at the fine arts? I don't know. I'm not doing any research, these are just my thoughts I'm trying to put together at 9:23 at night.
StPaulHusker
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There is no way to know this if blacks, or other people of color, aren't given a chance to read or audition for a part in the fine arts.
In sports, there are tryouts. And it doesn't matter what your race is. You can either run faster than the other person. Or tackle better. or jump higher......
You show me an owner living today that is running a team that says, "Don't bring in any white people to tryout because I won't be able to fill the arena."
In sports, there are tryouts. And it doesn't matter what your race is. You can either run faster than the other person. Or tackle better. or jump higher......
You show me an owner living today that is running a team that says, "Don't bring in any white people to tryout because I won't be able to fill the arena."
Scratchtown
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So if there is no way to REALLY know if it's a race issue in Hollywood...why do we have to declare it as such?
Landlord
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Generally, I've found it more helpful than not to at least take a posture of taking things seriously when tons and tons of people are trying to explain that they exist. That's not empirical proof of anything, but it's hard to look my black friends in the face on a lot of race-related tensions and declare, "I don't believe what you say you're experiencing is real."
zoogs
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I'd go further than saying "There's no way to know" in response to a statement like "Maybe whites are more frequently good at acting than blacks".
A far simpler explanation is that Hollywood has a homogeneous history that continues to persist in some areas, the hows of which you can get a sense of by reading about folks' experiences. Any homogeneous institution takes a little active effort to break through at first; see the Rooney rule in the NFL for a sports example.
A far simpler explanation is that Hollywood has a homogeneous history that continues to persist in some areas, the hows of which you can get a sense of by reading about folks' experiences. Any homogeneous institution takes a little active effort to break through at first; see the Rooney rule in the NFL for a sports example.
B.B. Hemingway
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Sure, but not every individual injustice can be linked to racial discrimination. They (African-Americans) can't always be the victim of unfair circumstances, not with so many examples to the contrary..... And I'm not necessarily referring to the Hollywood situation.
Landlord
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Yes, and I don't disagree with that at all. All I'm talking about is a very general disposition to at least be able to really listen, be slow to speak, and not have any rush to discredit someone who, as evidenced and proven by tons of empirical data, is overall more disadvantaged than I am.
zoogs
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I think a lot of the tendency to diminish the issue comes from feeling a need to be defensive. But recognizing race issues is not an attack on people, it's simply 'please understand that these are different experiences people go through.' Usually these differences arise from institutions that no individual has much power to change on their own, but recognition instead of dismissal goes a long way.
For example, here's a conversation with Latinos on race: http://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000004237305/a-conversation-with-latinos-on-race.html The apartment renting story stuck out to me, and that's not something only Latinos face, either.
For example, here's a conversation with Latinos on race: http://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000004237305/a-conversation-with-latinos-on-race.html The apartment renting story stuck out to me, and that's not something only Latinos face, either.
JJ Husker
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So now we have to worry about hue, tint, degree of typical features, etc.? *shakes head, wonders how things got so messed up*
BTW- Zoe played the hottest green chick I've ever seen in a movie in Guardians of the Galaxy. Wonder if there are green people somewhere complaining that she was cast the part.
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Landlord
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On one hand I understand the sentiment in that link - more fair-skinned black women with closer-to-white features generally end up being considered more beautiful by the public and media (quick, name a DARK skinned woman that you can ever remember being on a list of hottest 25/50/100/whatever). At the same time, though, the degree to which that is a problem probably doesn't warrant the amount of vitriol it's gotten. Social media is ugly.
B.B. Hemingway
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Is it racist to say that fair-skinned black women are better looking then dark-skinned black women?.... Or is it just by and large, true...
Mierin
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What the f#*k, man. Yes, it is racist to say that as a fact. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To think your views, which are apparently that dark-skinned black women aren't as attractive, apply to or should apply to everyone is in fact racist.
To say you personally are more attracted to others is not racist.
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