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Is there any evidence that these people who used to work in an office, but now remotely, are being less productive?

My brother-in-law does HR for a really big hospital.  They sent them home at Covid and have since turned their offices into clinics and other revenue producing things.  They were told they aren’t coming back because them at home is saving the hospital money.

Maybe the DOGE crew is looking at this backwards…

 
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I’m also with @teachercd that teaching from home allowed me to slack off a bit.  But if I’m being honest, I still did the same job.  I just didn’t have to deal with things that only existed because I was in the building.

instead of Teaching for 10 minutes and watching kids work for 40, I could teach for the 10 minutes, and do other things while I waited for questions.  I also could have my “plan” whenever I wanted during the day rather than sitting in my room whether I had anything to do or not.

I also didn’t spend 20 minutes of my day monitoring halls, 50 minute study halls, and a 30 minute lunch duty.

A lot of time is wasteful no matter where we are at.

 
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funhusker said:
I’m also with @teachercd that teaching from home allowed me to slack off a bit.  But if I’m being honest, I still did the same job.  I just didn’t have to deal with things that only existed because I was in the building.

instead of Teaching for 10 minutes and watching kids work for 40, I could teach for the 10 minutes, and do other things while I waited for questions.  I also could have my “plan” whenever I wanted during the day rather than sitting in my room whether I had anything to do or not.

I also didn’t spend 20 minutes of my day monitoring halls, 50 minute study halls, and a 30 minute lunch duty.

A lot of time is wasteful no matter where we are at.
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Eewwww lunch duty!!!!!  Do you get free food???

 
BigRedBuster said:
That might not be what WE are talking about.  If the executive order accounts for this, then I agree 100%.
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Well I did use common sense so it may very well be that Trump has not considered people whose jobs require them to be at locations other than an office or their home. I mean I don’t think he is a very bright man but that would be a new level of cluelessness even for him.

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
I don't want to be completely dismissive
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Then don't. There's no reason to. The idea that you can dismiss what's happening on the ground in Gaza and among Benjamin Netanyahu's far right coalition by pointing to the stupidest excesses of American college students dodges reality and kills any discourse. That you can lump some of the most respected reporters of global news into a Radical Left silo is right out of the Trump playbook.

Be better. Be best.

 
funhusker said:
Is there any evidence that these people who used to work in an office, but now remotely, are being less productive?
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IMO, specifically with government workers, I don’t think this needs to be considered. There may be some very rare cases but for the most part, based on 40+ years of dealing with various governmental departments and employees, it’s pretty safe to assume that they are not being more productive from home with no supervision and limited accountability of their time.

 
BigRedBuster said:
However, take the situation with my future daughter in law.  She's not a federal employee, but she works for the state of Missouri in their ag extension department.  The vast majority of her job is traveling around the state going to and putting on seminars for farmers..etc.  She spends very little time actually in an office....even if she was required to.  She actually lives in Nebraska.  If she were required to go to the office, she would have to quit and find another job.  For her, it really makes no sense if the state of Missouri would demand her have an office in Columbia MO where she would be required to go to
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Sounds like she has what’s called a remote based job based on her travel schedule.  I have the same type job.  My company doesn’t even have an office in the city or states I work in.  This isn’t what Trump is talking about not what anyone of us are talking about. 

 
Archy1221 said:
That’s one uninformed way to look at it I guess.  I’m quite certain that my two boys are not toxic and misogynistic a$$h@!es nor are any of the friends they have come to hang out with or I’ve crossed paths with.   But we don’t live in CA either so can’t speak to that culture.  

It’s possible that the everyone gets a trophy crowd is upset that maybe not everyone is gonna get a trophy for the time being!  
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It may surprise you that I'm a liberal who believes in meritocracy, competition, free speech, and accountability. But this isn't really about that. The internet culture isn't about states and borders, either. It's where young white men from places as far flung as Dodge City and Topeka can gather anonymously to mock the women who won't sleep with them and the racial minorities they still want to consider beneath their social station. Sometimes black and white men can work together to treat women like s#!t. It's still fluid that way. But if we still believe in facts -- and I know we don't -- there's been an uptick in this kind of language since it was popularized and practiced by the President of the United States, who -- let's face it -- was just saying the stuff out loud that polite people had been afraid to utter. 

 
Archy1221 said:
Most of our history GOP was the party of saying “no” and majority of youths wanted the free candy option of democrats and voted accordingly until they finally figured out the free candy wasn’t really the best option now that they are diabetic.  Not the case so much anymore.  
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This is a good analogy, probably not limited to youth. 

But I challenge you to consider who is handing out the candy, now, and what the confection is made of. 

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
But I also think the average left wing voter doesn't understand how unpopular woke stuff is. I'm a reliable Democrat and these things are crazy even to me. And most woke issues only have ~30% approval rates among self identified Democrats! It cannot be stated enough that the woke culture war has been resoundingly defeated, and not just by Republicans. 
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Still, it's interesting that transgender issues came in dead last among voter concerns, yet earned a $200 million television buy from the Trump campaign, the biggest single issue strategy by far.  Along with many if not most of my reliable Democrat friends, we rolled our eyes at the performative excesses of the activist wing, but considered the motives and largely non-binding ideals of diversity, equity, and inclusion to be a reasonable middle ground given the past 60 years of civil rights and the inequities still sitting there in broad daylight. We were told Americans would vote their pocketbook anyway, and both Biden and Harris chose not to run woke campaigns, Harris gravitating immediately to the center. But it seems they were getting a more powerful narrative somewhere about the godless people who wanted to steal their very culture, i.e. reliable Democrats like you and me. 

 
JJ Husker said:
IMO, specifically with government workers, I don’t think this needs to be considered. There may be some very rare cases but for the most part, based on 40+ years of dealing with various governmental departments and employees, it’s pretty safe to assume that they are not being more productive from home with no supervision and limited accountability of their time.
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I hear you, but its kind of my point.  Government offices have always had a reputation of being slow, lazy, and not using their time efficiently.  This wasn't a new thing at COVID.  Now I don't really deal with govt workers outside of our school district on a regular basis, and definitely none working from home; but if you do, did you notice things get worse with them in the last couple of years?

Some school districts, especially rural,  are cutting to 4-day weeks because having the one day out of the building actually saves money.  Parents really struggle with the idea though.

 
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teachercd said:
Dude, this is literally AWESOME.  

You went from looking up Husker Videos to joining the KKK.   You have to KEEP watching the videos, over and over, the entire video and then watch the next one and the next.  That is searching, even if the first search was not for a hate video, the rest of it was.  No need to try and excuse what those hate dorks do, just call them out for it.  It is not an accident when you watch 10 Nazi videos in a row.

Not sure if you have any records at your place, but if you do, DO NOT play them backwards because you are about to hear some REALLY scary s#!t.  
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A few years ago my then 16 year old son walked me through the process on YouTube; it was both hilarious and disturbing how quickly a simple YouTube search went off the rails with its Recommended Videos. Of course it's up to you whether you watch them, but the notion that young people won't keep watching videos out of reflex is adorable. 

Not sure what's going on on Facebook, but yesterday my feed included unsolicited posts for Kid Rock, Donald Trump for the USA, a fanboy appreciation of Elon Musk, two posts celebrating Dana White, and one for Rosanne Barr. Had never seen any of these previously. Maybe it's the balance that's been missing from my life, and my search history has just been asking for it. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Still, it's interesting that transgender issues came in dead last among voter concerns, yet earned a $200 million television buy from the Trump campaign, the biggest single issue strategy by far.  Along with many if not most of my reliable Democrat friends, we rolled our eyes at the performative excesses of the activist wing, but considered the motives and largely non-binding ideals of diversity, equity, and inclusion to be a reasonable middle ground given the past 60 years of civil rights and the inequities still sitting there in broad daylight. We were told Americans would vote their pocketbook anyway, and both Biden and Harris chose not to run woke campaigns, Harris gravitating immediately to the center. But it seems they were getting a more powerful narrative somewhere about the godless people who wanted to steal their very culture, i.e. reliable Democrats like you and me. 
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God forbid people treat other people like humans, with love and compassion....

Wasn't there a famous guy that kind of started a religion about it?  Wonder what ever happened with that?

 
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