The Way Too Early 2028 Election

Danny Bateman said:
Sigh. Anti-trans areguments are so lazy. Is any Democrat anywhere actually stating support for this or are you just parroting GOP culture war nonsense?

I'm of the mind throwing trans folks under the bus is a nonstarter and we need to tell bigots to f#&% off.

Honestly their best strategy is to figure out how to counter the massive advantage the conservative media bubble has in the messaging war so they can actually reach more voters who just aren't hearing their message (which is reality is fairly popular). They've been losing the messaging war since Obama left - losing a generational orator will do that to you. Then they just need to wait until people remember why they dislike Trump and actual Republican governance.
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They're already gearing up and doing what I'm saying. 

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
Unfortunately, it means some internal struggle. You can expect candidates to put on some flannel and go to a midwest state and do a few interviews that go something like:

"Look, we can't be the party of word policing and cancel culture anymore. You can simultaneously be the party of inclusion but not contradict yourself by pouncing on others for a perceived 'Democratic Foul' and frothing at the mouth to cancel them. Stop saying that America is bad. America is pretty amazing; we should expand fracking not because it only helps climate change, but because we can export it to European allies who need energy after their own massive liberal policy failures. We're going to embrace an abundancy agenda. We're going to build houses unlock the morons in charge of California. We're going to pay high wages. We're going to increase trade, not limit it... we're going to increase enforcement of laws so citizens of great American cities can go on the subway without a crazy guy yelling at them" etc.

You basically take a public stance on a multitude of issues that is both anti-woke and pro America, and pro worker. Because, lets be honest, nobody is going to call out that person for not towing the party positions on wokeness after the beat down that happened on Tuesday.
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This.

The dems need a Trump, but smarter.  Not only tell working class men what they want to hear, but share a plan to make it happen.  You can do this without being hateful and bashing minorities and immigrants.

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
They're already gearing up and doing what I'm saying. 
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Man. I could've distilled that down to "learn to speak people's language better."

I'm sure people are tripping over themselves to get to a mic and declare they have the divine knowledge of why Dems lost and what they need to do next. I didn't find her examples particularly insightful, to be honest. The actual Democrats I've seen, voted for and seen win elections aren't thrusting pronouns or labeling to the front of their campaigns. But I have the benefit of being in Michigan where Democrats have won power and actually governed sensibly.

I think the hubbub over pronouns is funny. I can't remember the last time someone asked me to use their preferred pronouns. If they did, I would do so, because it's easy to be kind to others. Mostly the pronoun thing just seems like a lazy punchline for cons, who again, generally want to be a$$h@!es and not get called on their crap.

 
Danny Bateman said:
Man. I could've distilled that down to "learn to speak people's language better."

I'm sure people are tripping over themselves to get to a mic and declare they have the divine knowledge of why Dems lost and what they need to do next. I didn't find her examples particularly insightful, to be honest. The actual Democrats I've seen, voted for and seen win elections aren't thrusting pronouns or labeling to the front of their campaigns. But I have the benefit of being in Michigan where Democrats have won power and actually governed sensibly.

I think the hubbub over pronouns is funny. I can't remember the last time someone asked me to use their preferred pronouns. If they did, I would do so, because it's easy to be kind to others. Mostly the pronoun thing just seems like a lazy punchline for cons, who again, generally want to be a$$h@!es and not get called on their crap.
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I think you're confusing what happens in reality to what is happening on millions of views on tik tok, Joe Rogan's podcast, and Facebook links. The culture war over Trans people is an absolute non-issue brought to the forefront by Republicans.

What I'm saying, if you want to win elections - which I do as a Democrat - is to expunge the weaknesses the party brings to the table and expand the strengths. It doesn't matter if the issue doesn't exist in reality. It matters that it exists in the new media space that Democrats aren't competing in. 

If you want to keep losing elections, that's fine. But I just saw a Republican win the popular vote for the first time in two decades and would very much not like that to happen again.

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
I think you're confusing what happens in reality to what is happening on millions of views on tik tok, Joe Rogan's podcast, and Facebook links. The culture war over Trans people is an absolute non-issue brought to the forefront by Republicans.

What I'm saying, if you want to win elections - which I do as a Democrat - is to expunge the weaknesses the party brings to the table and expand the strengths. It doesn't matter if the issue doesn't exist in reality. It matters that it exists in the new media space that Democrats aren't competing in. 

If you want to keep losing elections, that's fine. But I just saw a Republican win the popular vote for the first time in two decades and would very much not like that to happen again.
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I will say it again, this is the common sense way to do things.

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
I think you're confusing what happens in reality to what is happening on millions of views on tik tok, Joe Rogan's podcast, and Facebook links. The culture war over Trans people is an absolute non-issue brought to the forefront by Republicans.

What I'm saying, if you want to win elections - which I do as a Democrat - is to expunge the weaknesses the party brings to the table and expand the strengths. It doesn't matter if the issue doesn't exist in reality. It matters that it exists in the new media space that Democrats aren't competing in. 

If you want to keep losing elections, that's fine. But I just saw a Republican win the popular vote for the first time in two decades and would very much not like that to happen again.
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Except that down ballot candidates won in states she lost. Joe Rogan is absolutely on a anti trans propaganda push but no one that watches him still is trying to decide between Trump and voting for a Evil Democrat. 

 
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PasstheDamnBallGuy said:
Except that down ballot candidates won in states she lost. Joe Rogan is absolutely on a anti trans propaganda push but no one that watches him still is trying to decide between Trump and voting for a Evil Democrat. 
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I don't disagree, but I think that if you want to really start winning elections and building a repeatable coalition, canceling people who don't use the correct pronouns isn't the answer. I say this because, yes, Trump allowed Democrats to be competitive. Trump will be gone. Republicans will reorganize themselves and nominate candidates that are actually strong.

Democrats have a chance to shore up their weaknesses by embracing a platform that common sense people can get behind, otherwise the party risks becoming only attractive to a college educated, predominately female electorate. Personally, I would like to win the Senate at some point in my lifetime, and to do that they need to figure out how to make inroads in the Midwest, and purple states in the Sunbelt.

 
teachercd said:
I don't watch or listen to Joe, What has he said about trans people?
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Most of his agenda seems to be centered around paranoia that kids are just doing it as a fad. He has people on that confirmation bias his opinions mostly around the Littman study. Which we could get into that study if you want but it immediately got refuted under peer review for very flawed data collection. He likes to have guests on that try to prove that point and as per usual with all his stuff he just has the excuse that he is an idiot asking questions, but having several people on that push a specific agenda and not actually fact checking them is not just an accidental ignorance. He obviously isn't Matt Malsh level but he did have Matt Walsh on and gave very half hearted pushback on his outright lies. He had Elon on recently to check out his day late and dollar short AI attempt and they both got upset and called it woke when they couldn't make it say mean enough things about trans people. 

 
Dr. Strangelove said:
I don't disagree, but I think that if you want to really start winning elections and building a repeatable coalition, canceling people who don't use the correct pronouns isn't the answer. I say this because, yes, Trump allowed Democrats to be competitive. Trump will be gone. Republicans will reorganize themselves and nominate candidates that are actually strong.

Democrats have a chance to shore up their weaknesses by embracing a platform that common sense people can get behind, otherwise the party risks becoming only attractive to a college educated, predominately female electorate. Personally, I would like to win the Senate at some point in my lifetime, and to do that they need to figure out how to make inroads in the Midwest, and purple states in the Sunbelt.
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I haven't seen any democratic politician cancelling people who use the wrong pronouns. In fact I havent really seen anyone at all be cancelled for that and people all over are constantly doing it on purpose. I also feel like it's the weird thing that people think accidentally misgendering someone and you will get yelled at. That's not a thing other than maybe some small sect of individuals who are a$$h@!es. Like yeah every group ever has a$$h@!es who will yell at you for doing something they deem incorrect.

 
PasstheDamnBallGuy said:
I haven't seen any democratic politician cancelling people who use the wrong pronouns. In fact I havent really seen anyone at all be cancelled for that and people all over are constantly doing it on purpose. I also feel like it's the weird thing that people think accidentally misgendering someone and you will get yelled at. That's not a thing other than maybe some small sect of individuals who are a$$h@!es. Like yeah every group ever has a$$h@!es who will yell at you for doing something they deem incorrect.
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I'm not really saying that Democrat politicians are doing that. What I am saying is that there are a lot of elected officials, behind the scenes, who fell really uncomfortable about young people coming out as Trans but can't say anything in public without being labeled transphobic. 

Now look, I'm not saying that this is a major issue in America, but if you want to make inroads among conservative Latino voters or white voters in the rust belt, Democrats need to stop making the above part of their messaging.

 
Danny Bateman said:
Sigh. Anti-trans areguments are so lazy. Is any Democrat anywhere actually stating support for this or are you just parroting GOP culture war nonsense?
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No, not really. When we're talking about presidential candidates and top DNC leadership, they're more or less completely silent on the issue.

But, not actively being in favor of it doesn't matter when you're not actively against it and you get painted with a sympathetic brush. Best of my knowledge Kamala's never said a thing about trans athletes and what good has it done her when half+ of the electorate is convinced that she's a trans athlete activist.

Anyways, as it stands right now I'd be beyond shocked if Gavin Newsome isn't President in 2028.

 
Lorewarn said:
No, not really. When we're talking about presidential candidates and top DNC leadership, they're more or less completely silent on the issue.

But, not actively being in favor of it doesn't matter when you're not actively against it and you get painted with a sympathetic brush. Best of my knowledge Kamala's never said a thing about trans athletes and what good has it done her when half+ of the electorate is convinced that she's a trans athlete activist.

Anyways, as it stands right now I'd be beyond shocked if Gavin Newsome isn't President in 2028.
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I was hoping it would be him "they" picked this year but my guess is "they" talked to him about it and he didn't want to risk jumping in last minute. But I thought they needed a White dude. He probably made the right choice though (if he was asked), given how bad the loss was.

 
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