My father and uncle and grandfather went to many of those games and told me quite a bit about those guys. All were great QBs. If you want to attempt to argue that Martinez is better than any of those be my guest but you will be wrong.
You just lost the little cred your argument had....do you remember Northwestern 2011? Taylor was one of the very few bright spots. He did everything in his power to win that game. Also career stats are favorable for him but you can't deny him breaking the jr year record, most of our great qb's played their jr year and he broke their records too. Anyone in our fan base that still hates Taylor just has blind hate towards him and he wont ever be able to change that.
I wasn't comparing athleticism or anything like that. Just the gunslinger mentality they both have. Their intangibles are similar. Both have started even when injured, both always put their all into all four quarters. Stuff like that is why I'm reminded so much of Favre when I see Taylor. And I'm usually on your side on most things Hedley, but you're wrong on this one. Taylor deserves our support win/lose/draw.
You can when calling a QB one of the best because of the career numbers he is accumulating
Basing our arguments off of second-hand information? I'll leave that too you....
I agree with you that TM will go down as one of the better QB's we have had, I also think its silly to base the decision on stats alone because of different era's, playing time, etc...I think top five is a stretch, and when I think of 5 that are better all I can think of is who would I rather have play a big game and Frazier, crouch, gill, frost, Berringer, and possibly taggee come immediately to mind
I never said hate. He struggles against better teams. check. he throws atleast 1 interception a game in conference almost. check. We never said he wasn't good just that to think he is one of the best is well stupd.
Stats are a huge part of how you're measured as a player. There is a reason everyone is making a huge deal out of Peterson's chance to break the single-season rushing record this weekend. Championships, and stats.... That is how legacies are determined. In Martinez's case, with his stats, nobody will be even close after his senior season..... Not even close....
With all due respect, what did Berringer, Humm, and Ferragamo do that was so impressive as compared to guys like Jamall Lord, Joe Ganz, and Zach Taylor. Give Jamal Lord the o-line and backs and defense that Frazier and Crouch had, and he would be known as the best ever. Same goes for Taylor and Ganz.
No no not at all, you can't hold that against him, it's just viewing stats within context. I mean Marlon Lucky finished 4th in all-purpose yards in his career here, and he was a pretty good player, but does that make him one of the best backs to come through here? I don't think so; he got more opportunity to put up numbers than most of his competition.
