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After the season ended as sadly as it could have for the Husker men's basketball team, we got good and bad news about Miles and that means both good and bad news about Coach Mike Riley.

After making the NCAA tourney in his second year, the last three seasons could not have gone much worse for Miles. Actually they went worse in each of those years. But SE has stood right by Miles the whole way. It's that positive vibe thing. Don't be a negator or something like that. Good news, no revolving door at the Pinnacle. Bad news.... raise your hand if you think we are going to be significantly better next year. Nobody? Thought so.

Going into 2017 with Husker football, I just can't escape the thought that we are just going to be a mess of a team. Replacing every position of significance on offense and ripping up a defensive plan in favor of a 3-4 that will certainly take time to implement. We need players that fit the system and the players we have on the team now need to figure out how to run the system. Meanwhile. Coach Riley has been waiting and waiting to throw-throw-throw. And he will indeed have a throwing QB. Look for us to use every excuse in the books to throw the ball... because we're too far behind, because the last run was for only three yards, because we have to be balanced and lastly.... the worst... the game got out of control.

Did I mention the special teams should be a mess too? *Sigh*

The bad news in that situation was, I thought, was that Coach Riley would be shown the door for a dismal season of horrid results. We would have to start over with a new coach, would lose a recruiting class and .... well, etc.

Now we have good news from this Miles situation. We know that SE will stand behind Riley after this year. He won't fire him.

The question is when will he fire him. I don't want to start over but the thought of having a bad 2017, followed by a bad 2018 and 2019 makes me wonder if we are slowly becoming Kansas.

And the only way I want to be more like Kansas is if Miles turns the thing around for the basketball team.

 
Did you have a Rough day? Good to vent frustrations on a message board.

If Miles has no expectations next year that is the only way we will do good. When he has expectations he does not do well(We all have big expectations so we will see). He will have to try to have a worse record next year than this year.

Mike has went out and got some good coaches, one point you forgot to add to your gloomy post. All of the tough games are at home sans Oregon, which will be huge for this young yet talented football team. We will be better defensively even though we are transitioning defenses and with a passing qb our offense will be better. The jury is still out on the running game, but the passing game will vastly improve in 2017.

 
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Did you have a Rough day? Good to vent frustrations on a message board.

If Miles has no expectations next year that is the only way we will do good. When he has expectations he does not do well(We all have big expectations so we will see). He will have to try to have a worse record next year than this year.

Mike has went out and got some good coaches, one point you forgot to add to your gloomy post. All of the tough games are at home sans Oregon, which will be huge for this young yet talented football team. We will be better defensively even though we are transitioning defenses and with a passing qb our offense will be better. The jury is still out on the running game, but the passing game will vastly improve in 2017.
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While it might feel like that since Eichorst gave him the what I call the sigh of relief tweet yesterday there isn't a job especially at any Div. 1 school where there are no expectations. Eichorst has also basically said the same thing before while at Miami.

Eichorst's statement on Al Golden's job who's since been fired from Miami after going 32-25 overall and 17-18 in conference while at Miami. This statement by Eichorst was after Golden's Miami team went 6-6.

“I look forward to working side-by-side with Coach Golden for many years,” athletic director Shawn Eichorst said in a statement released by the school around 6 p.m. Friday. “Al has done a fantastic job of rebuilding and solidifying the foundation of our football program while fostering success both on and off of the field. He has been a first-class representative of our University and I am confident that with Al leading the way, our future is very bright.”

 
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another sport season ends without a coach getting fired. what the heck is happening around here?

 
tmfr15 said:
After the season ended as sadly as it could have for the Husker men's basketball team, we got good and bad news about Miles and that means both good and bad news about Coach Mike Riley.

After making the NCAA tourney in his second year, the last three seasons could not have gone much worse for Miles. Actually they went worse in each of those years. But SE has stood right by Miles the whole way. It's that positive vibe thing. Don't be a negator or something like that. Good news, no revolving door at the Pinnacle. Bad news.... raise your hand if you think we are going to be significantly better next year. Nobody? Thought so.

Going into 2017 with Husker football, I just can't escape the thought that we are just going to be a mess of a team. Replacing every position of significance on offense and ripping up a defensive plan in favor of a 3-4 that will certainly take time to implement. We need players that fit the system and the players we have on the team now need to figure out how to run the system. Meanwhile. Coach Riley has been waiting and waiting to throw-throw-throw. And he will indeed have a throwing QB. Look for us to use every excuse in the books to throw the ball... because we're too far behind, because the last run was for only three yards, because we have to be balanced and lastly.... the worst... the game got out of control.

Did I mention the special teams should be a mess too? *Sigh*

The bad news in that situation was, I thought, was that Coach Riley would be shown the door for a dismal season of horrid results. We would have to start over with a new coach, would lose a recruiting class and .... well, etc.

Now we have good news from this Miles situation. We know that SE will stand behind Riley after this year. He won't fire him.

The question is when will he fire him. I don't want to start over but the thought of having a bad 2017, followed by a bad 2018 and 2019 makes me wonder if we are slowly becoming Kansas.

And the only way I want to be more like Kansas is if Miles turns the thing around for the basketball team.
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As frustrating as 9 wins is, comparing us to Kansas seems like a stretch to say the least. A year of "horrid results" at Nebraska would be a cause for celebration at Kansas. Riley's 6 win year, which is about as bad as it gets and will get under him I believe, still had more wins than Kansas's last 3 seasons combined. Maybe you were being sarcastic, but either way pick a more viable comparison.

 
TM will have to produce next year or be gone. MR inherited a mess. He now has his players, the next 2 years will be crucial for MR. MR can/will be put under a microscope if he doesn't succeed. So far the only mistake that i can pin on MR was not bringing in a QB when he came. The underside of it, the players may have declared mutiny if he had!. By the second year the players had learned enuff about the QB to not even elect him captain. If TM think the seat was hot this year; It will now be turned up for the whole year. Injuries and transfers, ain't going to mean squat; perform or be gone because SE is going to be hunting for someone to take over. Sorta like the free year that bo got.

 
One man's mess of a team is another man's breakout squad haha there are mixed opinions of what 2017 will look like. Some of us are actually......excited?

 
Nine win season? This year?

I am not so sure you can count on that.

Nebraska is going into a very challenging season where 6-6 might be the best it can do. Consider that the Huskers play four tough games (Oregon, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State.) Then there's Iowa and Northwestern that will be at least respectable. Not hard to see a break even season.

Anytime you transition from one thing to another, there's chance that it will go badly. And we are transitioning. This might as well be a new coach with us going from a running QB to a throwing QB, going from a 4-3 to a 3-4 hybrid and coming up with some new approach to the special teams game as well.

We haven't been recruiting especially well. And by that, I mean that there aren't any 5* players or Junior College studs coming to save us.

HuskerMan, you noted that I didn't mention the great new coaches. Diaco coached three years as the head man of the Huskies. Every year he was worse. Last year, he went 3-9 and 1-7 in league play. As a coordinator, Diaco presided over the Notre Dame defense during their run to the national championship game. In that year, the Irish won several games by very close margins, which gave the appearance that maybe they were lucky more than they were good. Alabama confirmed those thoughts in a 42-14 beat down that was never close. Bob Elliott has a lot of coaching experience, but up until Nebraska hired him to coach the safety position, I had not heard much about the dude. He came here because of the connection to Diaco.

Adding a layer to that, even if these coaches are GREAT, why are they just getting here now. We all said that when MR came here he should have brought good coaches with him and not just signaled a mass move from Corvallis to Lincoln simply out of loyalty. But that's exactly what he did. The guys that he fired were not going to be able to do the job. As fans, we figured that out, particularly about Banker, before he ever coached in a game.

It doesn't inspire confidence to have to course correct like this in year three.

Strategy wise, the most annoying comment MR has made was in reference to our running game. It is very telling. The guy said that he doesn't yet know or we haven't yet established, take your pick, Nebraska's identity run. What the heck? This guy has a long coaching resume leading teams in all kind of different leagues and settings from the NCAA to the NFL to the CFL and he doesn't know what the identity run of his offense is. That's a joke.

Most veteran coaches know exactly what their strategies are and wouldn't bend from those strategies. Coaches are just stubborn as heck that way.

Coach Riley tells you what you want to hear and then his team's struggles to perform. His reaction is, "Shucks guys. I thought it was going to work."

Someday those will be the last words he utters as the coach of this program. He's going to say that he gave it his best. And that he wishes the Huskers the best in the future. And then he'll ride off in the sun set leaving us to start over. AGAIN. No fret though, it's only working on 20 years since our program has mattered to anybody outside of the direct fan base. Guess we'll just have to get used to it.

And, lastly, I said I feared we were becoming Kansas. I didn't say we were Kansas yet. If in 10 years, we have goals like, go to a bowl game, then I was right.

 
tmfr15 said:
After the season ended as sadly as it could have for the Husker men's basketball team, we got good and bad news about Miles and that means both good and bad news about Coach Mike Riley.

After making the NCAA tourney in his second year, the last three seasons could not have gone much worse for Miles. Actually they went worse in each of those years. But SE has stood right by Miles the whole way. It's that positive vibe thing. Don't be a negator or something like that. Good news, no revolving door at the Pinnacle. Bad news.... raise your hand if you think we are going to be significantly better next year. Nobody? Thought so.

Going into 2017 with Husker football, I just can't escape the thought that we are just going to be a mess of a team. Replacing every position of significance on offense and ripping up a defensive plan in favor of a 3-4 that will certainly take time to implement. We need players that fit the system and the players we have on the team now need to figure out how to run the system. Meanwhile. Coach Riley has been waiting and waiting to throw-throw-throw. And he will indeed have a throwing QB. Look for us to use every excuse in the books to throw the ball... because we're too far behind, because the last run was for only three yards, because we have to be balanced and lastly.... the worst... the game got out of control.

Did I mention the special teams should be a mess too? *Sigh*

The bad news in that situation was, I thought, was that Coach Riley would be shown the door for a dismal season of horrid results. We would have to start over with a new coach, would lose a recruiting class and .... well, etc.

Now we have good news from this Miles situation. We know that SE will stand behind Riley after this year. He won't fire him.

The question is when will he fire him. I don't want to start over but the thought of having a bad 2017, followed by a bad 2018 and 2019 makes me wonder if we are slowly becoming Kansas.

And the only way I want to be more like Kansas is if Miles turns the thing around for the basketball team.
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-Miles got another year for being a quality person, if he can't get it together next year hen is done.

-Theres a decent chance Nebrasketball improves next year, if not...

-Going into 2017 we finally will have a QB who can throw and a stable of backs who can run and a strong WR corps. The Defense was young last year and we upgraded in a big way as far as staff goes.

-Sorry, did tmr15 want to retain our awful ST coach?

-Riley isn't being retained because ADSE is overly confident or afraid to fire he and Miles, that's just silly.

-Why is the question when will he fire him? He has to do something justifiable first, so far he hasn't.

-The rest is just gibberish.

 
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What makes you think Nebrasketball has a decent chance to improve next year?

 
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tmfr15 said:
After the season ended as sadly as it could have for the Husker men's basketball team, we got good and bad news about Miles and that means both good and bad news about Coach Mike Riley.

After making the NCAA tourney in his second year, the last three seasons could not have gone much worse for Miles. Actually they went worse in each of those years. But SE has stood right by Miles the whole way. It's that positive vibe thing. Don't be a negator or something like that. Good news, no revolving door at the Pinnacle. Bad news.... raise your hand if you think we are going to be significantly better next year. Nobody? Thought so.

Going into 2017 with Husker football, I just can't escape the thought that we are just going to be a mess of a team. Replacing every position of significance on offense and ripping up a defensive plan in favor of a 3-4 that will certainly take time to implement. We need players that fit the system and the players we have on the team now need to figure out how to run the system. Meanwhile. Coach Riley has been waiting and waiting to throw-throw-throw. And he will indeed have a throwing QB. Look for us to use every excuse in the books to throw the ball... because we're too far behind, because the last run was for only three yards, because we have to be balanced and lastly.... the worst... the game got out of control.

Did I mention the special teams should be a mess too? *Sigh*

The bad news in that situation was, I thought, was that Coach Riley would be shown the door for a dismal season of horrid results. We would have to start over with a new coach, would lose a recruiting class and .... well, etc.

Now we have good news from this Miles situation. We know that SE will stand behind Riley after this year. He won't fire him.

The question is when will he fire him. I don't want to start over but the thought of having a bad 2017, followed by a bad 2018 and 2019 makes me wonder if we are slowly becoming Kansas.

And the only way I want to be more like Kansas is if Miles turns the thing around for the basketball team.
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tmfr15 said:
After the season ended as sadly as it could have for the Husker men's basketball team, we got good and bad news about Miles and that means both good and bad news about Coach Mike Riley.

After making the NCAA tourney in his second year, the last three seasons could not have gone much worse for Miles. Actually they went worse in each of those years. But SE has stood right by Miles the whole way. It's that positive vibe thing. Don't be a negator or something like that. Good news, no revolving door at the Pinnacle. Bad news.... raise your hand if you think we are going to be significantly better next year. Nobody? Thought so.

Going into 2017 with Husker football, I just can't escape the thought that we are just going to be a mess of a team. Replacing every position of significance on offense and ripping up a defensive plan in favor of a 3-4 that will certainly take time to implement. We need players that fit the system and the players we have on the team now need to figure out how to run the system. Meanwhile. Coach Riley has been waiting and waiting to throw-throw-throw. And he will indeed have a throwing QB. Look for us to use every excuse in the books to throw the ball... because we're too far behind, because the last run was for only three yards, because we have to be balanced and lastly.... the worst... the game got out of control.

Did I mention the special teams should be a mess too? *Sigh*

The bad news in that situation was, I thought, was that Coach Riley would be shown the door for a dismal season of horrid results. We would have to start over with a new coach, would lose a recruiting class and .... well, etc.

Now we have good news from this Miles situation. We know that SE will stand behind Riley after this year. He won't fire him.

The question is when will he fire him. I don't want to start over but the thought of having a bad 2017, followed by a bad 2018 and 2019 makes me wonder if we are slowly becoming Kansas.

And the only way I want to be more like Kansas is if Miles turns the thing around for the basketball team.
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Wow, you may need to go take an aspirin and lie down for a bit.

You need to look at things a little more logically and take a little of the pessimism out of your thought process.

Every college football team loses good players every year and has holes to fill. Iowa has to replace a QB just like NU and talent at RB and on defense. Wisconsin loses its top 2 RB a TE that seems like he has been there forever and its best 2 LBs and a 3 year starter at safety. They also lose there DC for the 2nd year in a row.

The switch from the 4-3 to a 3-4 doesn't mean the defense absolutely has to be bad because of a learning curve. Lots of defenses switch schemes and see a jump in production right away. When Wisconsin switched to a 3-4 they showed immediate results. Nebraska's personelle fits very well with the switch other than an Ideal NG, and lots of teams play the 3/4 without a prototypical NG.

Offense has a lot of talent, some is untested, but there is a lot there.

I would take a wait and see view of things before you decide the sky is fallling.

 
tmfr15 said:
Nine win season? This year?

I am not so sure you can count on that.

Nebraska is going into a very challenging season where 6-6 might be the best it can do. Consider that the Huskers play four tough games (Oregon, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State.) Then there's Iowa and Northwestern that will be at least respectable. Not hard to see a break even season.

Anytime you transition from one thing to another, there's chance that it will go badly. And we are transitioning. This might as well be a new coach with us going from a running QB to a throwing QB, going from a 4-3 to a 3-4 hybrid and coming up with some new approach to the special teams game as well.

We haven't been recruiting especially well. And by that, I mean that there aren't any 5* players or Junior College studs coming to save us.

HuskerMan, you noted that I didn't mention the great new coaches. Diaco coached three years as the head man of the Huskies. Every year he was worse. Last year, he went 3-9 and 1-7 in league play. As a coordinator, Diaco presided over the Notre Dame defense during their run to the national championship game. In that year, the Irish won several games by very close margins, which gave the appearance that maybe they were lucky more than they were good. Alabama confirmed those thoughts in a 42-14 beat down that was never close. Bob Elliott has a lot of coaching experience, but up until Nebraska hired him to coach the safety position, I had not heard much about the dude. He came here because of the connection to Diaco.

Adding a layer to that, even if these coaches are GREAT, why are they just getting here now. We all said that when MR came here he should have brought good coaches with him and not just signaled a mass move from Corvallis to Lincoln simply out of loyalty. But that's exactly what he did. The guys that he fired were not going to be able to do the job. As fans, we figured that out, particularly about Banker, before he ever coached in a game.

It doesn't inspire confidence to have to course correct like this in year three.

Strategy wise, the most annoying comment MR has made was in reference to our running game. It is very telling. The guy said that he doesn't yet know or we haven't yet established, take your pick, Nebraska's identity run. What the heck? This guy has a long coaching resume leading teams in all kind of different leagues and settings from the NCAA to the NFL to the CFL and he doesn't know what the identity run of his offense is. That's a joke.

Most veteran coaches know exactly what their strategies are and wouldn't bend from those strategies. Coaches are just stubborn as heck that way.

Coach Riley tells you what you want to hear and then his team's struggles to perform. His reaction is, "Shucks guys. I thought it was going to work."

Someday those will be the last words he utters as the coach of this program. He's going to say that he gave it his best. And that he wishes the Huskers the best in the future. And then he'll ride off in the sun set leaving us to start over. AGAIN. No fret though, it's only working on 20 years since our program has mattered to anybody outside of the direct fan base. Guess we'll just have to get used to it.

And, lastly, I said I feared we were becoming Kansas. I didn't say we were Kansas yet. If in 10 years, we have goals like, go to a bowl game, then I was right.
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Your argument seems to be we're transitioning and that could go badly... So fire hcmr? Because new coaches aren't a transition?

 
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