Tim Miles and Husker football

No, we would hire like Gary Patterson or Les Miles or John Gruden or Chip Kelly and we would instantly win a Playoff!
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Get busy livin or get busy dyin.

MR fired weak sauce and brought in some new spice. It'll work or it won't. Glad he's a least trying to find the right pieces.

 
tmfr15 said:
Nine win season? This year?

I am not so sure you can count on that.

Nebraska is going into a very challenging season where 6-6 might be the best it can do. Consider that the Huskers play four tough games (Oregon, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State.) Then there's Iowa and Northwestern that will be at least respectable. Not hard to see a break even season.

Anytime you transition from one thing to another, there's chance that it will go badly. And we are transitioning. This might as well be a new coach with us going from a running QB to a throwing QB, going from a 4-3 to a 3-4 hybrid and coming up with some new approach to the special teams game as well.

We haven't been recruiting especially well. And by that, I mean that there aren't any 5* players or Junior College studs coming to save us.

HuskerMan, you noted that I didn't mention the great new coaches. Diaco coached three years as the head man of the Huskies. Every year he was worse. Last year, he went 3-9 and 1-7 in league play. As a coordinator, Diaco presided over the Notre Dame defense during their run to the national championship game. In that year, the Irish won several games by very close margins, which gave the appearance that maybe they were lucky more than they were good. Alabama confirmed those thoughts in a 42-14 beat down that was never close. Bob Elliott has a lot of coaching experience, but up until Nebraska hired him to coach the safety position, I had not heard much about the dude. He came here because of the connection to Diaco.

Adding a layer to that, even if these coaches are GREAT, why are they just getting here now. We all said that when MR came here he should have brought good coaches with him and not just signaled a mass move from Corvallis to Lincoln simply out of loyalty. But that's exactly what he did. The guys that he fired were not going to be able to do the job. As fans, we figured that out, particularly about Banker, before he ever coached in a game.

It doesn't inspire confidence to have to course correct like this in year three.

Strategy wise, the most annoying comment MR has made was in reference to our running game. It is very telling. The guy said that he doesn't yet know or we haven't yet established, take your pick, Nebraska's identity run. What the heck? This guy has a long coaching resume leading teams in all kind of different leagues and settings from the NCAA to the NFL to the CFL and he doesn't know what the identity run of his offense is. That's a joke.

Most veteran coaches know exactly what their strategies are and wouldn't bend from those strategies. Coaches are just stubborn as heck that way.

Coach Riley tells you what you want to hear and then his team's struggles to perform. His reaction is, "Shucks guys. I thought it was going to work."

Someday those will be the last words he utters as the coach of this program. He's going to say that he gave it his best. And that he wishes the Huskers the best in the future. And then he'll ride off in the sun set leaving us to start over. AGAIN. No fret though, it's only working on 20 years since our program has mattered to anybody outside of the direct fan base. Guess we'll just have to get used to it.

And, lastly, I said I feared we were becoming Kansas. I didn't say we were Kansas yet. If in 10 years, we have goals like, go to a bowl game, then I was right.
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I don't know what will happen, but the list of unknowns for next year's Nebraska team are as potentially exciting as they are potentially daunting.

Being the off-season, I'll lean towards optimism.

Looking forward to the new players and coaches myself.

 
I'm not sure why everyone seems to be piling on tmfr15..He makes some valid points and raises some valid questions.

As I see it, Nebraska does have some real questions about the '17 team:

  • Is the new 3-4 defense being installed going to resemble UConn's or Alabama's?
  • Will the offensive line be able to protect a QB who can't run away from pressure?
  • Speaking of the OL, can they get a push in the running game?
  • Where is this team mentally?
  • If we lose another close game to Wisconsin, does the team fall apart...again?
  • Will our special teams be special or will they continue to be mediocre to poor?
  • Can we take advantage of Lindsay and Pierson-El's punt return abilities?

All these questions aside, I remain optimistic that Mike Riley can and will get the job done.

 
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Making Chimichangas said:
I'm not sure why everyone seems to be piling on tmfr15..He makes some valid points and raises some valid questions.
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Because he is assuming that everything that could go wrong will go wrong. He's already written this season off and thinks we are simply waiting to fire HCMR.

 
Making Chimichangas said:
I'm not sure why everyone seems to be piling on tmfr15..He makes some valid points and raises some valid questions.

As I see it, Nebraska does have some real questions about the '17 team:

  • Is the new 3-4 defense being installed going to resemble UConn's or Alabama's?
  • Will the offensive line be able to protect a QB who can't run away from pressure?
  • Speaking of the OL, can they get a push in the running game?
  • Where is this team mentally?
  • If we lose another close game to Wisconsin, does the team fall apart...again?
  • Will our special teams be special or will they continue to be mediocre to poor?
  • Can we take advantage of Lindsay and Pierson-El's punt return abilities?

All these questions aside, I remain optimistic that Mike Riley can and will get the job done.
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Sure. But these questions are equally valid:

• Will the new 3-4 defense provide the change this defense has needed for years?

• Will a slightly more seasoned OL and a more accurate QB open up all phases of the offense?

• Can the OL get the same push on crucial 3rd and 4th & shorts that they did last season, but more consistently?

• Where is this team mentally?

• What if we lose another close game to Wisconsin? Will HuskerBoard fall apart....again?

• Will Mike Riley's firing of his two closest coaches signal a serious re-commitment to defense and special teams?

• Is Pierson-El is returning for his senior year, a last chance to prove himself, and with new special teams coach?

 
All of you guys want to be positive and believe in the rhetoric that's coming out of Nebraska. New coaches, new quarterback. Exciting stuff.

Remember all the great things people said in fall 2015. Then the games started and it was all of a sudden a great big rebuild that required tons of time and an entirely new culture.

There are lots of positive energy about the defense. Are we going to hear later that the terminology and strategy requires time to digest? The passing game is supposed to be great. Are we going to hear about how young they are and that they need more time?

I believed in all the rainbows the first time around. A bit hesitant this time

I am just preparing myself for what is likely going to be a pretty depressing fall.

If we keep the coaches we have at the end of the 2017, then we can avoid the dreaded transition to a new regime and the multiple year transition that comes with it.

I just hope there are positive things to build upon come this time next year. That's about all the sunshine I can offer.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Making Chimichangas said:
I'm not sure why everyone seems to be piling on tmfr15..He makes some valid points and raises some valid questions.

As I see it, Nebraska does have some real questions about the '17 team:

  • Is the new 3-4 defense being installed going to resemble UConn's or Alabama's?
  • Will the offensive line be able to protect a QB who can't run away from pressure?
  • Speaking of the OL, can they get a push in the running game?
  • Where is this team mentally?
  • If we lose another close game to Wisconsin, does the team fall apart...again?
  • Will our special teams be special or will they continue to be mediocre to poor?
  • Can we take advantage of Lindsay and Pierson-El's punt return abilities?

All these questions aside, I remain optimistic that Mike Riley can and will get the job done.
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Sure. But these questions are equally valid:

• Will the new 3-4 defense provide the change this defense has needed for years?

• Will a slightly more seasoned OL and a more accurate QB open up all phases of the offense?

• Can the OL get the same push on crucial 3rd and 4th & shorts that they did last season, but more consistently?

• Where is this team mentally?

• What if we lose another close game to Wisconsin? Will HuskerBoard fall apart....again?

• Will Mike Riley's firing of his two closest coaches signal a serious re-commitment to defense and special teams?

• Is Pierson-El is returning for his senior year, a last chance to prove himself, and with new special teams coach?
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Sure.
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tmfr15 said:
All of you guys want to be positive and believe in the rhetoric that's coming out of Nebraska. New coaches, new quarterback. Exciting stuff.

Remember all the great things people said in fall 2015. Then the games started and it was all of a sudden a great big rebuild that required tons of time and an entirely new culture.

There are lots of positive energy about the defense. Are we going to hear later that the terminology and strategy requires time to digest? The passing game is supposed to be great. Are we going to hear about how young they are and that they need more time?

I believed in all the rainbows the first time around. A bit hesitant this time

I am just preparing myself for what is likely going to be a pretty depressing fall.

If we keep the coaches we have at the end of the 2017, then we can avoid the dreaded transition to a new regime and the multiple year transition that comes with it.

I just hope there are positive things to build upon come this time next year. That's about all the sunshine I can offer.
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Seriously, WTH? This is year 3, not a rebuild.

Yes we fired our DC and awful ST coach, but that doesn't exactly mean we are starting over. Yes our QB will be brand new, but that happens every 1-4 years anyways.

Yeah, if this season falls apart maybe some big changes happen. But giving up on it before the spring game is just not the approach I take.

 
tmfr15 said:
Nine win season? This year?

I am not so sure you can count on that.

Nebraska is going into a very challenging season where 6-6 might be the best it can do. Consider that the Huskers play four tough games (Oregon, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State.) Then there's Iowa and Northwestern that will be at least respectable. Not hard to see a break even season.

Anytime you transition from one thing to another, there's chance that it will go badly. And we are transitioning. This might as well be a new coach with us going from a running QB to a throwing QB, going from a 4-3 to a 3-4 hybrid and coming up with some new approach to the special teams game as well.

We haven't been recruiting especially well. And by that, I mean that there aren't any 5* players or Junior College studs coming to save us.

HuskerMan, you noted that I didn't mention the great new coaches. Diaco coached three years as the head man of the Huskies. Every year he was worse. Last year, he went 3-9 and 1-7 in league play. As a coordinator, Diaco presided over the Notre Dame defense during their run to the national championship game. In that year, the Irish won several games by very close margins, which gave the appearance that maybe they were lucky more than they were good. Alabama confirmed those thoughts in a 42-14 beat down that was never close. Bob Elliott has a lot of coaching experience, but up until Nebraska hired him to coach the safety position, I had not heard much about the dude. He came here because of the connection to Diaco.

Adding a layer to that, even if these coaches are GREAT, why are they just getting here now. We all said that when MR came here he should have brought good coaches with him and not just signaled a mass move from Corvallis to Lincoln simply out of loyalty. But that's exactly what he did. The guys that he fired were not going to be able to do the job. As fans, we figured that out, particularly about Banker, before he ever coached in a game.

It doesn't inspire confidence to have to course correct like this in year three.

Strategy wise, the most annoying comment MR has made was in reference to our running game. It is very telling. The guy said that he doesn't yet know or we haven't yet established, take your pick, Nebraska's identity run. What the heck? This guy has a long coaching resume leading teams in all kind of different leagues and settings from the NCAA to the NFL to the CFL and he doesn't know what the identity run of his offense is. That's a joke.

Most veteran coaches know exactly what their strategies are and wouldn't bend from those strategies. Coaches are just stubborn as heck that way.

Coach Riley tells you what you want to hear and then his team's struggles to perform. His reaction is, "Shucks guys. I thought it was going to work."

Someday those will be the last words he utters as the coach of this program. He's going to say that he gave it his best. And that he wishes the Huskers the best in the future. And then he'll ride off in the sun set leaving us to start over. AGAIN. No fret though, it's only working on 20 years since our program has mattered to anybody outside of the direct fan base. Guess we'll just have to get used to it.

And, lastly, I said I feared we were becoming Kansas. I didn't say we were Kansas yet. If in 10 years, we have goals like, go to a bowl game, then I was right.
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Kansas doesn't have goals like get to a bowl game. They have goals like win 3 games.
You also stated that most coaches are stubborn and stick to a set plan and know exactly what they'll do. You also stated Mike Riley isn't like that. Since when is flexibility and tailoring your plan to your players a bad thing? You can't be stuck in your ways. The best teams are always adapting.

Diaco's record as a head coach has no bearing on his ability as a defensive coordinator. That topic has been discussed to death so shouldn't even be brought up. As the DC they WON the close games which you don't consistently do UNLESS you're good. Alabama was just doing Alabama things. Good luck finding a team that would have done a huge amount better outside of the SEC that year.

Patience. It's year three. He's just now getting his own system and players in. Maybe it won't work but you've got to at least give it a chance before you say well gee dang it, guess we are about to be Kansas.

 
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