Trump’s Accomplishments…at levels never seen before (2025 version)

Lorewarn said:
I'm personally not all that terribly interested in focusing on fault in an abstract sense, partly because the lowest amount of fault lies with the people most vulnerable and affected, and partly because it's a complex issue with a large confluence of multiple factors including terrible realities of poverty, education, rape, violence, drug usage, and so on. 

Regardless, this is just one example, so let's not get bogged down in an unnecessary focus on South Africa and it's HIV/AIDS epidemic. If you want to center a conversation around fault, would you contest that there's plenty of fault to be found in a reckless, poorly thought out 'plan' to immediately and absolutely turn off the mechanism for these treatments and studies, with no thought or strategy as to the actual damage and consequences to millions across the world? 

Your questions are good questions. They're the types of questions that you would love to see DOGE asking in their deliberation process, you know? Assuming they had a deliberation process, because their strategy doesn't seem to have any more nuance to it other than, "Just turn it off."
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Well, you were the one who brought HIV issue examples twice now of all the examples you hearing about so I figured that should be a focus.   
 

I had a post to @Enhance I believe already stating I would prefer a 60 day notice window type system before shutting something down.  So yeah, there is a rashness to this process.  
 

I would add that if you don’t ever focus on the fault of the problem then the funding to fix or help said problems end up being funded in perpetuity sometimes.   
 

I would also add that these questions of funding should have been asked for years by our incompetent legislatures but the nature of budgeting now is all or nothing  which doesn’t allow “questions” because of one votes no then the campaign ads about getting rid of Medicare, not supporting troops, not supporting this or that start flying.    

 
Archy1221 said:
Well, you were the one who brought HIV issue examples twice now of all the examples you hearing about so I figured that should be a focus.   
 

I had a post to @Enhance I believe already stating I would prefer a 60 day notice window type system before shutting something down.  So yeah, there is a rashness to this process.  
 

I would add that if you don’t ever focus on the fault of the problem then the funding to fix or help said problems end up being funded in perpetuity sometimes.   
 

I would also add that these questions of funding should have been asked for years by our incompetent legislatures but the nature of budgeting now is all or nothing  which doesn’t allow “questions” because of one votes no then the campaign ads about getting rid of Medicare, not supporting troops, not supporting this or that start flying.    
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Rashness is a good word I wanted to find earlier. 

I agree with all of this. Something like a 60 day notice window is the absolute, simplest, bare minimum type of policy safeguard for something as big as gutting or crippling an entire agency who is, for better or worse/right or wrong, crucially entwined with a myriad of partnerships that prove literally life-or-death crucial to vast numbers of people across the globe. 

As is often the case, my issue isn't the what, it's the how. I am entirely ready to be eagerly enthusiastic about some actual, bona fide reform and pruning of the bloat and waste and abuse in our government.. IF it's informed, reasoned, and done in such a way with any legitimate intention to mitigate the damage as much as can be reasonably mitigated.

Trump & Musk are not serious people and this is not a serious solution that's focusing on faults or asking questions in any genuinely integrated or beneficial way. It's funny when it's something like a harmless temper tantrum, and it's more or less forgivable when you're just running a big company - it f#&%ing sucks when lives are lost or ruined when they really didn't need to be.

 
Lorewarn said:
Rashness is a good word I wanted to find earlier. 

I agree with all of this. Something like a 60 day notice window is the absolute, simplest, bare minimum type of policy safeguard for something as big as gutting or crippling an entire agency who is, for better or worse/right or wrong, crucially entwined with a myriad of partnerships that prove literally life-or-death crucial to vast numbers of people across the globe. 

As is often the case, my issue isn't the what, it's the how. I am entirely ready to be eagerly enthusiastic about some actual, bona fide reform and pruning of the bloat and waste and abuse in our government.. IF it's informed, reasoned, and done in such a way with any legitimate intention to mitigate the damage as much as can be reasonably mitigated.

Trump & Musk are not serious people and this is not a serious solution that's focusing on faults or asking questions in any genuinely integrated or beneficial way. It's funny when it's something like a harmless temper tantrum, and it's more or less forgivable when you're just running a big company - it f#&%ing sucks when lives are lost or ruined when they really didn't need to be.
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Why is South Africa NOT funding these programs?   Largest economy on the continent.  

 
MLB 51 said:
Does it really matter? Why is he receiving $260 mill?
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Of course it matters.

For instance, in the five minutes I've spent looking at this, I've found the following.

George Soros never received any money from USAID. The $270 million in question, which is actually $260 million, went to East-West Management Institute over the course of the last 15 years. Does George Soros own it, or did he found it? No, but they are partnered with one of Soros' many non-profits, Open Society Foundations. 

The East-West Management Institute is a left-leaning nonprofit international aid and advocacy organization located in New York City that is partially funded by several notable left leaning grantmaking groups. The organization was founded in 1988 and focuses on issues in former soviet states in central and eastern Europe. 1  The organization is funding by a combination of government grants and grants from private foundations, including several notable left-leaning funders such as George Soros’s Open Society Foundations, the Rockefeller Brother Fund, and the Charles Stewart Mott Foundation.
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Th East-West Management Institute was founded in 1988 to support the developing governments of former states of the dissolving Soviet bloc in central and eastern Europe. The organization states that its work began a year before the fall of the Berlin Wall and was founded with the intent of helping states transition to post-Soviet life. The work of the Institute focuses on policy creation in European countries that supports government administration, court systems, economic development, and technical support. The institute also engages in advocacy programs to push for certain policies among citizens and encourage citizens to participate in the government. While most of the work conducted by the Institute still focusses on central and eastern Europe, it has expanded to conduct much of the same type of work in other countries in other parts of the world. 4


The East West Management Institute operates under four main areas of expertise that its programs fall under. These include the Rule of Law, supporting judicial systems; Economic Development, which supports infrastructure projects; Civil Society, which includes advocacy work around cultural issues; and Environment, which support environmentalist policies in target nations.
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