Turner embracing new opportunity at receiver

Doesnt really matter how good Turner, K Bell or any other WR becomes. They will never get a chance to be consistent in play making because we will rotate about 6 Diff recievers every game and if one does well he will dissappear. Most offenses that have star Wr's only take them off the field when they need a breather. They get to stay in the game and RUN or BEAT the guy covering him up all game to set up that big play.

I know you will all say i dont know what i am talkin about..
I don't think that you're off base there. Last year, Kenny Bell was definitely in the game a majority of the time. Maybe not as much as a star WR should, as you referenced. But from what I've seen, as of right now, "that guy" at WR hasn't completely stuck out yet. I hope the next couple of years will be the J. Turner and K. Bell show out there. Two explosive, speedy guys that make defenses think twice about stacking the box. From there, it all depends on how effective Taylor can be throwing the ball consistently.

 
Doesnt really matter how good Turner, K Bell or any other WR becomes. They will never get a chance to be consistent in play making because we will rotate about 6 Diff recievers every game and if one does well he will dissappear. Most offenses that have star Wr's only take them off the field when they need a breather. They get to stay in the game and RUN or BEAT the guy covering him up all game to set up that big play.

I know you will all say i dont know what i am talkin about..
I don't think that you're off base there. Last year, Kenny Bell was definitely in the game a majority of the time. Maybe not as much as a star WR should, as you referenced. But from what I've seen, as of right now, "that guy" at WR hasn't completely stuck out yet. I hope the next couple of years will be the J. Turner and K. Bell show out there. Two explosive, speedy guys that make defenses think twice about stacking the box. From there, it all depends on how effective Taylor can be throwing the ball consistently.

I agree with you on this. I am just saying Our Bell / Turner wont get the chance. They do not and will not see the field enough times to become that guy.

 
As long as we don't obviously separate wide receiver sets depending on whether we're running, or throwing, I don't think it matters much.

We've had this discussion about Turner multiple times - the dude straight up admitted to not giving 100% last year, dogging it in practice, not knowing the playbook well enough, etc. Outside of him, what other receivers disappeared? I can't think of any. Bell had a pretty good year this last year and he was on the field often.
I'm thinking more back to a guy like Currenski - whatever his issue was I don't remember - but this certainly isn't the first time we've seen flashes of brilliance that quickly fades into a spot on the bench within our WR groups. It's not individual to the coach either...just seems to be the Nebraska way. Consistent receiver play would be nice...but if they aren't consistently off the field, or have 1 rough game or a couple rough practices and they are sitting for the rest of the season...then that's on the coaches as much as the players. They are motivators as much as anything. Turner seems like a great kid - why the heck was he not motivated enough that he'd be dogging it in practice?

 
As long as we don't obviously separate wide receiver sets depending on whether we're running, or throwing, I don't think it matters much.

We've had this discussion about Turner multiple times - the dude straight up admitted to not giving 100% last year, dogging it in practice, not knowing the playbook well enough, etc. Outside of him, what other receivers disappeared? I can't think of any. Bell had a pretty good year this last year and he was on the field often.
I'm thinking more back to a guy like Currenski - whatever his issue was I don't remember - but this certainly isn't the first time we've seen flashes of brilliance that quickly fades into a spot on the bench within our WR groups. It's not individual to the coach either...just seems to be the Nebraska way. Consistent receiver play would be nice...but if they aren't consistently off the field, or have 1 rough game or a couple rough practices and they are sitting for the rest of the season...then that's on the coaches as much as the players. They are motivators as much as anything. Turner seems like a great kid - why the heck was he not motivated enough that he'd be dogging it in practice?
Gilleylen wasn't keeping up in practice and lost his spot. If anything, that should be a reflection on his poor attitude. Coaches can only tell players what to do - it's up to the player to actually do it.

Some people insinuate the coaches have no idea what they're doing, play favorites, can't judge talent, have some proverbial dog house that's near impossible to escape from, etc. They don't come out and say it, but it's what they unintentionally (or intentionally) imply. Many Nebraska fans think that these kinds of things are, as you mentioned, the "Nebraska way" - as in this is something that only goes on at Nebraska and other universities don't have these problems. This is so wrong that it just infuriates me every time I see it. These kinds of thoughts pop up on every message board I've ever been to outside of Huskerboard. There is nothing 'Nebraska' about it - it's football.

Why was Turner not motivated? It could be any number of things. He was 18, he was playing at a division one university, it was his first semester of college, it probably was the first time he ever spent significant amount of time away from home, etc. Fans tend to think 'FOOTBALLFOOTBALLFOOTBALL' without realizing they're young men, some still teenagers, who go through every thing life throws at them (including college) and then have to go to work for hours every day. It's not as easy as some people on this board make it out to be.

The players say Pelini treats everybody on the team like family, and cares deeply for all of them. If a player isn't playing, I feel very confident in saying there's a damn good reason for it, and it has nothing to do with it being how 'Nebraska' does things.

 
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except for Burkehead, i can't think of another true freshman that ever got significant playing time at NU, yet you see true freshman all over D-1 schools, starting and playing out the season as starters........so, what the hell is wrong with our program, we can't seem to get or keep them on the field? don't tell me the other kids seeing the field in other programs are big character guys......IMHO there is more going on here........we almost killed Burkehead last season, i hope Pelini/Beck aren't dumb enough to do that again.....the NW loss was due to Burkehead receiving a constant pounding in previous games, reminded me of TM playing hurt, made no damn sense at all....we had seasoned fullbacks that could have run inside as well, but they seldom saw the field or got the ball.

 
As long as we don't obviously separate wide receiver sets depending on whether we're running, or throwing, I don't think it matters much.

We've had this discussion about Turner multiple times - the dude straight up admitted to not giving 100% last year, dogging it in practice, not knowing the playbook well enough, etc. Outside of him, what other receivers disappeared? I can't think of any. Bell had a pretty good year this last year and he was on the field often.
I'm thinking more back to a guy like Currenski - whatever his issue was I don't remember - but this certainly isn't the first time we've seen flashes of brilliance that quickly fades into a spot on the bench within our WR groups. It's not individual to the coach either...just seems to be the Nebraska way. Consistent receiver play would be nice...but if they aren't consistently off the field, or have 1 rough game or a couple rough practices and they are sitting for the rest of the season...then that's on the coaches as much as the players. They are motivators as much as anything. Turner seems like a great kid - why the heck was he not motivated enough that he'd be dogging it in practice?
Gilleylen wasn't keeping up in practice and lost his spot. If anything, that should be a reflection on his poor attitude. Coaches can only tell players what to do - it's up to the player to actually do it.

Some people insinuate the coaches have no idea what they're doing, play favorites, can't judge talent, have some proverbial dog house that's near impossible to escape from, etc. They don't come out and say it, but it's what they unintentionally (or intentionally) imply. Many Nebraska fans think that these kinds of things are, as you mentioned, the "Nebraska way" - as in this is something that only goes on at Nebraska and other universities don't have these problems. This is so wrong that it just infuriates me every time I see it. These kinds of thoughts pop up on every message board I've ever been to outside of Huskerboard. There is nothing 'Nebraska' about it - it's football.

Why was Turner not motivated? It could be any number of things. He was 18, he was playing at a division one university, it was his first semester of college, it probably was the first time he ever spent significant amount of time away from home, etc. Fans tend to think 'FOOTBALLFOOTBALLFOOTBALL' without realizing they're young men, some still teenagers, who go through every thing life throws at them (including college) and then have to go to work for hours every day. It's not as easy as some people on this board make it out to be.

The players say Pelini treats everybody on the team like family, and cares deeply for all of them. If a player isn't playing, I feel very confident in saying there's a damn good reason for it, and it has nothing to do with it being how 'Nebraska' does things.
It is amazing how consistent those charges are stated on this NU forum and others. Posters who have never played or coached one single snap of Div1 cfb or even attended NU's practices are fully convinced Bo plays only his favorite players and leaves the far more talented and productive players on the bench.

J. Turner, B. Carnes, etc, etc were all easily our best players at their position but "they're in Bo's doghouse!". Over & over & over. No amount of contrary evidence even stated from those players themselves will sway their judgement as their minds are made up and that's that. Any internet rumor from any previously unheard of source suffices as written on stone proof to back their claims.

It's a sad state of affairs.

 
except for Burkehead, i can't think of another true freshman that ever got significant playing time at NU, yet you see true freshman all over D-1 schools, starting and playing out the season as starters........so, what the hell is wrong with our program, we can't seem to get or keep them on the field? don't tell me the other kids seeing the field in other programs are big character guys......IMHO there is more going on here........we almost killed Burkehead last season, i hope Pelini/Beck aren't dumb enough to do that again.....the NW loss was due to Burkehead receiving a constant pounding in previous games, reminded me of TM playing hurt, made no damn sense at all....we had seasoned fullbacks that could have run inside as well, but they seldom saw the field or got the ball.
You've never heard of Ameer Abdullah? Tyler Moore? That's just last year. How about Tommie Frazier?

But here's the funny thing - you act as if starting true freshmen is a virtue. It's not - it means you lack depth on your roster. Starting true freshmen is a stop-gap measure for the most part. It's not a good thing, and because we don't typically do it doesn't mean that we're somehow lacking where other schools aren't.

How many true freshmen can you name that lead their team to conference championships every year? Now how many seniors can you name that do that?

 
except for Burkehead, i can't think of another true freshman that ever got significant playing time at NU, yet you see true freshman all over D-1 schools, starting and playing out the season as starters........so, what the hell is wrong with our program, we can't seem to get or keep them on the field? don't tell me the other kids seeing the field in other programs are big character guys......IMHO there is more going on here........we almost killed Burkehead last season, i hope Pelini/Beck aren't dumb enough to do that again.....the NW loss was due to Burkehead receiving a constant pounding in previous games, reminded me of TM playing hurt, made no damn sense at all....we had seasoned fullbacks that could have run inside as well, but they seldom saw the field or got the ball.
There was this one kid name Ahman Green who got a little playing time as a freshman. But I don't remember where he played.

 
Doesnt really matter how good Turner, K Bell or any other WR becomes. They will never get a chance to be consistent in play making because we will rotate about 6 Diff recievers every game and if one does well he will dissappear. Most offenses that have star Wr's only take them off the field when they need a breather. They get to stay in the game and RUN or BEAT the guy covering him up all game to set up that big play.

I know you will all say i dont know what i am talkin about..
Actually you're pretty much spot on.

 
except for Burkehead, i can't think of another true freshman that ever got significant playing time at NU, yet you see true freshman all over D-1 schools, starting and playing out the season as starters........so, what the hell is wrong with our program, we can't seem to get or keep them on the field? don't tell me the other kids seeing the field in other programs are big character guys......IMHO there is more going on here........we almost killed Burkehead last season, i hope Pelini/Beck aren't dumb enough to do that again.....the NW loss was due to Burkehead receiving a constant pounding in previous games, reminded me of TM playing hurt, made no damn sense at all....we had seasoned fullbacks that could have run inside as well, but they seldom saw the field or got the ball.
You've never heard of Ameer Abdullah? Tyler Moore? That's just last year. How about Tommie Frazier?

But here's the funny thing - you act as if starting true freshmen is a virtue. It's not - it means you lack depth on your roster. Starting true freshmen is a stop-gap measure for the most part. It's not a good thing, and because we don't typically do it doesn't mean that we're somehow lacking where other schools aren't.

How many true freshmen can you name that lead their team to conference championships every year? Now how many seniors can you name that do that?

USC, Alabama, Michigan and others have made a habit of starting freshman, Pete Carroll was a master at getting these kids on the field in their first year, historically we don't do that, sure there are exceptions, but they are uncommon.....starting true freshman is a stop gap measure? not at some of the top programs it sure is not......

 
Hunter94, on 15 March 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

except for Burkehead, i can't think of another true freshman that ever got significant playing time at NU, yet you see true freshman all over D-1 schools, starting and playing out the season as starters........so, what the hell is wrong with our program, we can't seem to get or keep them on the field? don't tell me the other kids seeing the field in other programs are big character guys......IMHO there is more going on here........we almost killed Burkehead last season, i hope Pelini/Beck aren't dumb enough to do that again.....the NW loss was due to Burkehead receiving a constant pounding in previous games, reminded me of TM playing hurt, made no damn sense at all....we had seasoned fullbacks that could have run inside as well, but they seldom saw the field or got the ball.

Dude you couldn't more wrong if you tried. Not only did Rex Burkhead play as a true freshman but so has Ameer Abdullah, Tyler Moore, Ciante Evans, Aaron Green, Braylon Heard, Eric Martin and Jamal Turner.

 
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Hunter94, on 15 March 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

except for Burkehead, i can't think of another true freshman that ever got significant playing time at NU, yet you see true freshman all over D-1 schools, starting and playing out the season as starters........so, what the hell is wrong with our program, we can't seem to get or keep them on the field? don't tell me the other kids seeing the field in other programs are big character guys......IMHO there is more going on here........we almost killed Burkehead last season, i hope Pelini/Beck aren't dumb enough to do that again.....the NW loss was due to Burkehead receiving a constant pounding in previous games, reminded me of TM playing hurt, made no damn sense at all....we had seasoned fullbacks that could have run inside as well, but they seldom saw the field or got the ball.

Dude you couldn't more wrong if you tried. Not only did Rex Burkhead play as a true freshman but so has Ameer Abdullah, Tyler Moore, Ciante Evans, Aaron Green, Braylon Heard, Eric Martin and Jamal Turner.

yes, they were all on the field for most of their freshman year......right?

 
except for Burkehead, i can't think of another true freshman that ever got significant playing time at NU, yet you see true freshman all over D-1 schools, starting and playing out the season as starters........so, what the hell is wrong with our program, we can't seem to get or keep them on the field? don't tell me the other kids seeing the field in other programs are big character guys......IMHO there is more going on here........we almost killed Burkehead last season, i hope Pelini/Beck aren't dumb enough to do that again.....the NW loss was due to Burkehead receiving a constant pounding in previous games, reminded me of TM playing hurt, made no damn sense at all....we had seasoned fullbacks that could have run inside as well, but they seldom saw the field or got the ball.
You've never heard of Ameer Abdullah? Tyler Moore? That's just last year. How about Tommie Frazier?

But here's the funny thing - you act as if starting true freshmen is a virtue. It's not - it means you lack depth on your roster. Starting true freshmen is a stop-gap measure for the most part. It's not a good thing, and because we don't typically do it doesn't mean that we're somehow lacking where other schools aren't.

How many true freshmen can you name that lead their team to conference championships every year? Now how many seniors can you name that do that?

USC, Alabama, Michigan and others have made a habit of starting freshman, Pete Carroll was a master at getting these kids on the field in their first year, historically we don't do that, sure there are exceptions, but they are uncommon.....starting true freshman is a stop gap measure? not at some of the top programs it sure is not......
You're talking about very rare exceptions of extreme talent. That is not the rule in college football, it is an aberration.

USC, Alabama, Michigan "and others" almost exclusively start upperclassmen. Go through their rosters. True freshmen starting is a rarity across college football.

 
Hunter94, on 15 March 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

except for Burkehead, i can't think of another true freshman that ever got significant playing time at NU, yet you see true freshman all over D-1 schools, starting and playing out the season as starters........so, what the hell is wrong with our program, we can't seem to get or keep them on the field? don't tell me the other kids seeing the field in other programs are big character guys......IMHO there is more going on here........we almost killed Burkehead last season, i hope Pelini/Beck aren't dumb enough to do that again.....the NW loss was due to Burkehead receiving a constant pounding in previous games, reminded me of TM playing hurt, made no damn sense at all....we had seasoned fullbacks that could have run inside as well, but they seldom saw the field or got the ball.

Dude you couldn't more wrong if you tried. Not only did Rex Burkhead play as a true freshman but so has Ameer Abdullah, Tyler Moore, Ciante Evans, Aaron Green, Braylon Heard, Eric Martin and Jamal Turner.

yes, they were all on the field for most of their freshman year......right?
I'm not going to parse playing time into a certain amount of snaps because that's not the point. Nebraska has started and played far more freshman than you are giving them credit for.

 
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