Watson a candidate for the Miami(OH) head coach position

[huskerscott]

Watson himself publicly refuted this. He said straight up that he asked Martinez to simply watch the game and observe, and said that criticism of Martinez's sideline demeanor was uncalled for.

I do remember Watson saying this.... But can you really see the game when standing about 4 rows of players back from the sidelines???? He needed to be up their next to Green or Lee as they are signaling in the plays and talking with QB/Offense when they get off the field. Basically supporting his team becoming a cheerleader/student of the game. you can learn alot by just watching the game, but when you look uninterseted as to what is going on, its sends the wrong message whether intended or not.

Good point. If only there were some kind of giant television screen somewhere in the stadium that would give him a better view of the game then the sideline view.

Not sure if you're trying to be funny, but the fact is that Taylor was disconnected with the game when he was on the sideline.

Every time I've seen Martinez on the sideline, he appeared exactly as he does any other time I've seen him. And probably half the time I've seen him on the sideline, he's turned to look at the big screen in Memorial Stadium. So unless he's trying to figure out which helmet the pizza is under, i'm guessing he's watching the game.

And anyone who continues to tell me that Taylor is disconnected with the game, just because they think he looks disconnected from watching on TV is going to get a :facepalm: from me. You can't see a kid on TV for a couple seconds once a week and know what's going through his head.

This multiple times throughout multiple games, even the games we played where he wasnt injured. Remember they ISU game where he had to come in for Green on that one play.

First- he couldnt find his friggin helmet.

Second-he had to call timeout because his playcard on his QB wrist band was upside down.

Seriously how could you screw up these 2, these are like most important things you check off before going out on the field. Plus you should always be carrying your helmet or wearing it. Elementary stuff.

"Ok I got my shoulders pads on, where is my helmet?? Ahh screw it, Im not gonna play today anyway. Well, thats funny my playcard is upside down." "Hey Niles look my playcard is upside down." "You funny Tmagic."

You cant tell me he is watching the game on HuskerVision and actually learning something.

 

[Hercules]

Watson himself publicly refuted this. He said straight up that he asked Martinez to simply watch the game and observe, and said that criticism of Martinez's sideline demeanor was uncalled for.

I do remember Watson saying this.... But can you really see the game when standing about 4 rows of players back from the sidelines???? He needed to be up their next to Green or Lee as they are signaling in the plays and talking with QB/Offense when they get off the field. Basically supporting his team becoming a cheerleader/student of the game. you can learn alot by just watching the game, but when you look uninterseted as to what is going on, its sends the wrong message whether intended or not.

Good point. If only there were some kind of giant television screen somewhere in the stadium that would give him a better view of the game then the sideline view.

Not sure if you're trying to be funny, but the fact is that Taylor was disconnected with the game when he was on the sideline.

Every time I've seen Martinez on the sideline, he appeared exactly as he does any other time I've seen him. And probably half the time I've seen him on the sideline, he's turned to look at the big screen in Memorial Stadium. So unless he's trying to figure out which helmet the pizza is under, i'm guessing he's watching the game.

And anyone who continues to tell me that Taylor is disconnected with the game, just because they think he looks disconnected from watching on TV is going to get a :facepalm: from me. You can't see a kid on TV for a couple seconds once a week and know what's going through his head.

This multiple times throughout multiple games, even the games we played where he wasnt injured. Remember they ISU game where he had to come in for Green on that one play.

First- he couldnt find his friggin helmet.

Second-he had to call timeout because his playcard on his QB wrist band was upside down.

Seriously how could you screw up these 2, these are like most important things you check off before going out on the field. Plus you should always be carrying your helmet or wearing it. Elementary stuff.

"Ok I got my shoulders pads on, where is my helmet?? Ahh screw it, Im not gonna play today anyway. Well, thats funny my playcard is upside down." "Hey Niles look my playcard is upside down." "You funny Tmagic."

You cant tell me he is watching the game on HuskerVision and actually learning something.

And you can't tell me you know anything about the kid's psyche from your grand total of about 60 seconds of intense body language analysis you've gotten from the comfort of your very own living room.

 

[knapplc]

And you can't tell me you know anything about the kid's psyche from your grand total of about 60 seconds of intense body language analysis you've gotten from the comfort of your very own living room.

That knife cuts both ways.

 

[huskerscott]

Watson himself publicly refuted this. He said straight up that he asked Martinez to simply watch the game and observe, and said that criticism of Martinez's sideline demeanor was uncalled for.

I do remember Watson saying this.... But can you really see the game when standing about 4 rows of players back from the sidelines???? He needed to be up their next to Green or Lee as they are signaling in the plays and talking with QB/Offense when they get off the field. Basically supporting his team becoming a cheerleader/student of the game. you can learn alot by just watching the game, but when you look uninterseted as to what is going on, its sends the wrong message whether intended or not.

Good point. If only there were some kind of giant television screen somewhere in the stadium that would give him a better view of the game then the sideline view.

Not sure if you're trying to be funny, but the fact is that Taylor was disconnected with the game when he was on the sideline.

Every time I've seen Martinez on the sideline, he appeared exactly as he does any other time I've seen him. And probably half the time I've seen him on the sideline, he's turned to look at the big screen in Memorial Stadium. So unless he's trying to figure out which helmet the pizza is under, i'm guessing he's watching the game.

And anyone who continues to tell me that Taylor is disconnected with the game, just because they think he looks disconnected from watching on TV is going to get a :facepalm: from me. You can't see a kid on TV for a couple seconds once a week and know what's going through his head.

This multiple times throughout multiple games, even the games we played where he wasnt injured. Remember they ISU game where he had to come in for Green on that one play.

First- he couldnt find his friggin helmet.

Second-he had to call timeout because his playcard on his QB wrist band was upside down.

Seriously how could you screw up these 2, these are like most important things you check off before going out on the field. Plus you should always be carrying your helmet or wearing it. Elementary stuff.

"Ok I got my shoulders pads on, where is my helmet?? Ahh screw it, Im not gonna play today anyway. Well, thats funny my playcard is upside down." "Hey Niles look my playcard is upside down." "You funny Tmagic."

You cant tell me he is watching the game on HuskerVision and actually learning something.

And you can't tell me you know anything about the kid's psyche from your grand total of about 60 seconds of intense body language analysis you've gotten from the comfort of your very own living room.

Im not saying that I know the kids psyche or what he is thinking. Im using my own observations and basing that off what Ive seen other teams with injured QBs and their behavior on the sidelines.

He gives the impression that he is uninterseted, thats all.

Watching the game on HuskerVision was a lame excuse.

Im not the only one....My link

 

[Hercules]

If I was going to observe the game, like Watson said he wanted Martinez to do, I'd watch on Huskervision rather than from the sideline perspective.

... and you just linked the very article where Watson says that, and then says people are being overly critical of Taylor.

 

[huskerscott]

If I was going to observe the game, like Watson said he wanted Martinez to do, I'd watch on Huskervision rather than from the sideline perspective.

... and you just linked the very article where Watson says that, and then says people are being overly critical of Taylor.

Yes I know that. I just pointed out Im not only one observing this. Who cares what Watson says, its all coach speak anyway.

 

[Hercules]

If I was going to observe the game, like Watson said he wanted Martinez to do, I'd watch on Huskervision rather than from the sideline perspective.

... and you just linked the very article where Watson says that, and then says people are being overly critical of Taylor.

Yes I know that. I just pointed out Im not only one observing this. Who cares what Watson says, its all coach speak anyway.

It might be coach-speak, it might not be. But people just use what the coaches say when it backs up their own argument, and anytime it contradicts their point of view, they disregard it as coach-speak. It's reality shopping.

Besides, linking that article to prove that other people noticed Taylor's sideline demeanor doesn't mean anything to me. As far as I can tell, the people driving that train are the people on message boards, which journalists like Sipple and Christopherson read. Threads like this one have the ability to take something as petty as "Well, Taylor doesn't look as excited as I think he should," to the point where they'll ask the coaches about it, if for no other reason than that it's a topic that their lowest common denominator readers would be interested in because it's dramatic and gossipy.

 

[zoogs]

You keep repeating the bold as if it has any validity. This team relied no more on the "big play" than any other team. Every single play from every single team is designed to score a TD. The fact that so many of ours did early in the season has a lot more to do with the superlative abilities of our QB (the "huge gamble" of the revisionist history you keep mentioning).

The 'big play' line is not about the scheme or the playcall, it's about the criteria for QBs and what we are looking for out of the offense. In fact it is mostly a response to a lot of criticism on how Watson has become too reliant on big plays. It's true, but it is dictated by circumstance. Taylor's big-play running ability, how he can torch defenses at any given moment, is what pushed him over the top as starter. That was something the other 2 were not going to give us as a starting QB.

The gamble isn't revisionist history. Back in August when we were talking about Lee/Green/Martinez, it was what was said then. You can go back and look at those threads and see posts like, "Taylor is going to give us some huge big plays at times, and he is going to make some maddening mistakes at other times." Maybe gamble is not being charitable; it was a carefully made decision, but regardless, it was a decision that had its upsides and its downsides. What we have seen this whole year are no less than both coming to fruition.

It isn't really like we had a horrible year offensively either, we were very good until Taylor's home run threat was taken away.

"Lucky" big plays are busts in coverage, Hail Mary passes, and blown assignments. When you execute your blocking schemes to perfection and Roy Helu sprints 60 yards to the end zone, that's not "relying on big plays," that's executing your offense. Every play is schemed to put a hat on a hat, or to out-think or outrun the opponent. The fact that these plays work doesn't mean we cannot grind out long drives, they meant that we didn't need to. And that's not a bad thing - in fact, that's offense to perfection.

zoogies seems to be insinuating that the fact that a healthy Taylor Martinez can outrun pretty much everyone we've played all year is a bad thing.

Not at all. It is really some anti-SW posters that have said that this is a bad thing. "Sure we put up yards on Missouri, but it was just some big plays from Roy." "Yeah we scored touchdowns against OU, but one of them was just one run by Roy." "We rely too much on the big play, it's Shawn Watson's fault." Yadda yadda...

Like I've said many times, the decision to go with Taylor really hasn't turned out all that badly. I have no idea why people keep saying we have had a horrid offense, it's not true. But if you are going to criticize things that are a direct consequence of the Taylor decision, then realize you are not criticizing everyone's favorite fall guy, but the head coach everyone (including me) loves, who made that call. Now, there are still arguments either way to be made for the call, IMO...but I guess we shouldn't go there.

My biggest gripe with Bo is the CCG, and Taylor playing there. He hurt us more than helped us as QB, in that half.

 

[huskerscott]

If I was going to observe the game, like Watson said he wanted Martinez to do, I'd watch on Huskervision rather than from the sideline perspective.

... and you just linked the very article where Watson says that, and then says people are being overly critical of Taylor.

Yes I know that. I just pointed out Im not only one observing this. Who cares what Watson says, its all coach speak anyway.

It might be coach-speak, it might not be. But people just use what the coaches say when it backs up their own argument, and anytime it contradicts their point of view, they disregard it as coach-speak. It's reality shopping.

Besides, linking that article to prove that other people noticed Taylor's sideline demeanor doesn't mean anything to me. As far as I can tell, the people driving that train are the people on message boards, which journalists like Sipple and Christopherson read. Threads like this one have the ability to take something as petty as "Well, Taylor doesn't look as excited as I think he should," to the point where they'll ask the coaches about it, if for no other reason than that it's a topic that their lowest common denominator readers would be interested in because it's dramatic and gossipy.

So whats your point????

 

[Hercules]

If I was going to observe the game, like Watson said he wanted Martinez to do, I'd watch on Huskervision rather than from the sideline perspective.

... and you just linked the very article where Watson says that, and then says people are being overly critical of Taylor.

Yes I know that. I just pointed out Im not only one observing this. Who cares what Watson says, its all coach speak anyway.

It might be coach-speak, it might not be. But people just use what the coaches say when it backs up their own argument, and anytime it contradicts their point of view, they disregard it as coach-speak. It's reality shopping.

Besides, linking that article to prove that other people noticed Taylor's sideline demeanor doesn't mean anything to me. As far as I can tell, the people driving that train are the people on message boards, which journalists like Sipple and Christopherson read. Threads like this one have the ability to take something as petty as "Well, Taylor doesn't look as excited as I think he should," to the point where they'll ask the coaches about it, if for no other reason than that it's a topic that their lowest common denominator readers would be interested in because it's dramatic and gossipy.

So whats your point????

My point is can we please stop with the bulls%$t topics like Taylor's sideline demeanor. It ranks right up there along with, "Shouldn't Bo be nicer?" or, "What did Lindsey Lohan do this weekend?"

 

[huskerscott]

If I was going to observe the game, like Watson said he wanted Martinez to do, I'd watch on Huskervision rather than from the sideline perspective.

... and you just linked the very article where Watson says that, and then says people are being overly critical of Taylor.

Yes I know that. I just pointed out Im not only one observing this. Who cares what Watson says, its all coach speak anyway.

It might be coach-speak, it might not be. But people just use what the coaches say when it backs up their own argument, and anytime it contradicts their point of view, they disregard it as coach-speak. It's reality shopping.

Besides, linking that article to prove that other people noticed Taylor's sideline demeanor doesn't mean anything to me. As far as I can tell, the people driving that train are the people on message boards, which journalists like Sipple and Christopherson read. Threads like this one have the ability to take something as petty as "Well, Taylor doesn't look as excited as I think he should," to the point where they'll ask the coaches about it, if for no other reason than that it's a topic that their lowest common denominator readers would be interested in because it's dramatic and gossipy.

So whats your point????

My point is can we please stop with the bulls%$t topics like Taylor's sideline demeanor. It ranks right up there along with, "Shouldn't Bo be nicer?" or, "What did Lindsey Lohan do this weekend?"

This thread shouldve been locked about 4 pages ago. We got pissing match after pissing match going on this thread, very few posts actually relate to the topic at hand. I tried to stay on topic but its hard when the whole thread smells like urine. The only reason this thread isnt locked is because zoogies is defending his boyhood hero Watson.

What did Lindsay Lohn do this weekend? Im guessing the entire Boise State team as crappy as their playing.

 

[huskerSoldier321]

+1 just looking at this thread makes my head hurt. Boise is way overrated. The spread is +17.

If I was going to observe the game, like Watson said he wanted Martinez to do, I'd watch on Huskervision rather than from the sideline perspective.

... and you just linked the very article where Watson says that, and then says people are being overly critical of Taylor.

Yes I know that. I just pointed out Im not only one observing this. Who cares what Watson says, its all coach speak anyway.

It might be coach-speak, it might not be. But people just use what the coaches say when it backs up their own argument, and anytime it contradicts their point of view, they disregard it as coach-speak. It's reality shopping.

Besides, linking that article to prove that other people noticed Taylor's sideline demeanor doesn't mean anything to me. As far as I can tell, the people driving that train are the people on message boards, which journalists like Sipple and Christopherson read. Threads like this one have the ability to take something as petty as "Well, Taylor doesn't look as excited as I think he should," to the point where they'll ask the coaches about it, if for no other reason than that it's a topic that their lowest common denominator readers would be interested in because it's dramatic and gossipy.

So whats your point????

My point is can we please stop with the bulls%$t topics like Taylor's sideline demeanor. It ranks right up there along with, "Shouldn't Bo be nicer?" or, "What did Lindsey Lohan do this weekend?"

This thread shouldve been locked about 4 pages ago. We got pissing match after pissing match going on this thread, very few posts actually relate to the topic at hand. I tried to stay on topic but its hard when the whole thread smells like urine. The only reason this thread isnt locked is because zoogies is defending his boyhood hero Watson.

What did Lindsay Lohn do this weekend? Im guessing the entire Boise State team as crappy as their playing.

 

[Big Red 40]

Ok back to the original question. nobody but the parties involved know the all the facts, but i think if Watson can get a division 1 HC job he'll take it.If the 2nd interview thing is true, he'll probably get an offer. I dont think him leaving is the solution to all of our offensive problems, as many of you do, but the show will go on with or without him.

 

[CornKing]

We were building off of what we saw in the Holiday bowl, when we broke out of the conservative rut we had been in for most of last year. That was what we were working towards, but that is not what we had this season at all. jliehr breaks this down specifically much better than I could. It is not like we changed every fundamental component of the offense, but it changed very appreciably. Both in scope (a lot less) and in philosophy (riding the big play over ball control/less flashy) and even just in more simple terms as pass-run split.

You keep repeating the bold as if it has any validity. This team relied no more on the "big play" than any other team. Every single play from every single team is designed to score a TD. The fact that so many of ours did early in the season has a lot more to do with the superlative abilities of our QB (the "huge gamble" of the revisionist history you keep mentioning).

We had every single play in this offense in our playbook last year. We've run specific plays this year that are geared toward the talents of our players. Shockingly, this is actually done by most every team in America (not coached by Bill Callahan, that is).

You can't necessarily say that. Obviously taking a knee but seriously the real point is the good teams can churn out tough drives instead of big play or bust as our offense seemed to be once Taylor got injured.

I figured the fourth-and-short, kickoff, punt and victory formation plays would be obviously excluded. Thanks for reminding me that everything must be spelled out.

The issue regarding injuries doesn't make much sense. Injured players mean little production regardless of the play.

"Lucky" big plays are busts in coverage, Hail Mary passes, and blown assignments. When you execute your blocking schemes to perfection and Roy Helu sprints 60 yards to the end zone, that's not "relying on big plays," that's executing your offense. Every play is schemed to put a hat on a hat, or to out-think or outrun the opponent. The fact that these plays work doesn't mean we cannot grind out long drives, they meant that we didn't need to. And that's not a bad thing - in fact, that's offense to perfection.

zoogies seems to be insinuating that the fact that a healthy Taylor Martinez can outrun pretty much everyone we've played all year is a bad thing. Or something along those lines - I've never figured out what the problem with scoring from 80 yards out is. Mostly it seems like a way to cast blame away from Shawn Watson and onto Bo, since he made the decision that about 99% of other head coaches would make in his shoes - you've got a guy who's routinely torching your top-ten defense in practice, so the logical move would be to play him.

In Bizarro Shawn Watson Is Never Wrong World, this is a "gamble," and one that was wrong to make. We know it was wrong because Taylor got injured and couldn't run anymore. Or... something like that. Like I said, I've never followed the logic.

Thread is done..........You won. +700 It will be my SIG in honor

 

[bshirt]

In Bizarro Shawn Watson Is Never Wrong World, zoogies reigns supreme on mount ZeroTD.