I think you're off your rocker if you think clone was trying to discredit FF
Try reading what i said instead of skimming through posts. I never said anything about clone discrediting FF. I said Clone used a common sense approach by doing some research to figure out the differences between Callahan and Ferentz in terms of wins and losses. From that you got "discredit" :WTH
He just gave him more ammo by showing those stats
Ahhhh i see. So i guess me and Clone providing documented statistics is now giving him more ammo to do what? Argue something that isn't there? Discredit information that been documented? Exactly how does that work? Like this:
######: Here are the stats you requested formerfan
Junior4949: No i protest, those stats don't mean anything
######: But..these are actual stats that have been DOCUMENTED
Junior4949: No, i still protest, me and Formerfan don't believe in stats"
Formerfan might have some insane ideas at times, but i doubt he wants to argue proven stats, unless he wants the board to think he's an idiot. That would be like someone trying to argue (regardless if someone presented documented information) and swear up and down that NU never went 5-6 last year
Fact: Ferentz did inherit a lot bigger problem program than BC, and he's turned it around
Yeah and Ferentz changed the offense a litte bit, but nothing 180 degrees from a run based attack to a balanced attack. With little changes, Ferentz did it in 4 years, Callahan is only in his second year, which was the whole point of this thread that asked about talent.
The first year, he slipped from the previous year.
Correct, he won 1 game against Northern Illinois compared to 3 wins from Hayden Fry the year before.
The second year, he won just as many as the coach before him did his last year
Correct again, so far you are making sense. Ferentz won 3 his second year, Haden won 3 his last year.
We don't have enough teams left on the schedule to win 9 this year dude.
:WTH
Please explain where you got 9 wins? Ferentz won 7 games and lost 5 his third year.
The research shows me Iowa had a plan, and their plan has worked
Isn't that what i was getting at? The average turnaround is 3-4 years, except Callahan is doing it with a whole new offense, while Kirk did it with almost the same type of offense, except with more passing???? So what you are really saying is you don't want to give Callahan the 3 or 4 year average to see if his plan worked. Oddly enough, that's what Bama, UCLA, Iowa fans felt before they began rolling.
The research shows me Pud had no plan
Where's the research in this thread that shows that, or you just assuming again?
Another thing I find puzzling is how such progress can be made in 3 years when year 1 had the 59th ranked class, year 2 had 60th, and year 3 51st class. Solich left BC with a hell of a lot better classes than that, and we sure aren't going 7 and 5 or 11 and 2!
His first recruiting class, when they became Junior went 7-5. His First recruiting class when they were Seniors went 11-2. Callahan is still on his first full recruiting class, so you expect to see progress immediately? Maybe if you fast forward 2 years from now, you will see this "progress" but for anyone expecting progress in 1 recruiting class is fooling themselves, which is exactly what you are trying to do, fool yourself.
