What Did We Learn - Ohio State Edition

Cy the Cyclone said:
I learned something doesn’t have to leave your hand to be considered “slammed down”.  Come on people…the headset never left Day’s hand.  
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Probably because it's literally attached to him and he realized it last second.  Now tell us about how the bottles didn't actually hit the players.

 
After rewatching quite a bit of our offense in this game. I’m convinced that RB is quite possibly the worst offensive group. Worse than WR by far. 
 

These guys have no clue where the hole is in the line. There will be a big hole to the left and the just run into the back of the line to the right. 

 
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I learned something doesn’t have to leave your hand to be considered “slammed down”.  Come on people…the headset never left Day’s hand.  

desertshox said:
When I slam my fist down it never leaves my hand.
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Does it hit something or do you just slam it into the air…in which case it’s just a piss poor fist bump.

 
BigRedBuster said:
After rewatching quite a bit of our offense in this game. I’m convinced that RB is quite possibly the worst offensive group. Worse than WR by far. 
 

These guys have no clue where the joke is in the line. There will be a big hole to the left and the just run into the back of the line to the right. 
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Preach brother!  :wasted

 
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Cy the Cyclone said:
I learned something doesn’t have to leave your hand to be considered “slammed down”.  Come on people…the headset never left Day’s hand.  
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I know you're mostly a troll here but your big gotcha after all the blown calls that game was that we thought the coach should get an unsportsmanlike because his headset didn't hit the ground. I guess Bo should have not go in trouble because that hat never left his hand. 

 
Nebfanatic said:
I understand where you are coming from but at the end of the day we need those throws to connect. There have been several throughout the season. He is elite but those are the plays we need him to make to go from OK at best to great on offense. The elite guys he wants to be like connect on those throws 9/10.

He is a freshman, it will get better but in my opinion he rushed the throw a hair. That timing will become natural with more reps and he will give it that extra half beat it needs to become a completed pass. It seems like he is trying to anticipate but does so a hair too early and just doesn't have the natural feel for the perfect timing quite yet.

To your point it's much better he is jumping the gun by an inch than throwing too late. Those throws turn into interceptions. 
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its prolly a mix of what you outlined.  To me, those lofty throws that he air mails are typically a result of not the best footwork and foundation setting.  Adrian martinez, while a completely different throwing wise compared to raiola, suffered from this tremendously.  You tend to air mail the ball more often than not.  Theres been a few instances where a simple dart throw would've sufficed instead of making it a more complicated touch pass.

The great news is he has natural skill that you can't teach.  His misses right now are 100% correctable and easily improved upon with the right coaching.  My fear is we don't have that 2nd part right at the moment

 
Again I think bird's eye recaps are helpful:

  • The "Chasing 3" thing was predicated largely on this idea that if we have a QB with a pulse that doesn't turn the ball over like crazy, we take last year's 5-7 result with that schedule and it's 8-4.
  • It turns out that this year's schedule is measurably tougher than last year's, so that whole premise is kind of moot in a lot of ways. It would take a lot of improvement to even go 8-4 this year.
  • We sign this phenom passing QB and in doing so it causes the coaches to do what I would consider at this point to be a major overhaul of the playbook. We're not running zone read at all anymore, really.
  • The staff decided to try to replace a big chunk of last year's run plays with swing passes and screens this year. It worked decently against lesser competition but is looking bad against better competition.
  • The staff also has claimed they'd "be aggressive" this year.



I think what's been happening over the last three games is that our playbook and offensive strategy is actually being exposed as not being very aggressive. Swing passes & screens on 1st and 2nd & long are comfort zone plays. Inside zone read handoffs to Dowdell are not aggressive.

So I think some of our fans are probably conflating "bad play calling in-game" with what is probably more of a larger issue with what our offensive philosophy is. And if Satterfield is ultimately to blame for that, that's fine.

At this point, "aggressive" to me would look like curl routes to Barney, lots of quick slants to Neyor, big wheel routes to Rahmir. We're deceptively not being aggressive at all.

 
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Undone said:
Again I think bird's eye recaps are helpful:

  • The "Chasing 3" thing was predicated largely on this idea that if we have a QB with a pulse that doesn't turn the ball over like crazy, we take last year's 5-7 result with that schedule and it's 8-4.
  • It turns out that this year's schedule is measurably tougher than last year's, so that whole premise is kind of moot in a lot of ways. It would take a lot of improvement to even go 8-4 this year.
  • We sign this phenom passing QB and in doing so it causes the coaches to do what I would consider at this point to be a major overhaul of the playbook. We're not running zone read at all anymore, really.
  • The staff decided to try to replace a big chunk of last year's run plays with swing passes and screens this year. It worked decently against lesser competition but is looking bad against better competition.
  • The staff also has claimed they'd "be aggressive" this year.



I think what's been happening over the last three games is that our playbook and offensive strategy is actually being exposed as not being very aggressive. Swing passes & screens on 1st and 2nd & long are comfort zone plays. Inside zone read handoffs to Dowdell are not aggressive.

So I think some of our fans are probably conflating "bad play calling in-game" with what is probably more of a larger issue with what our offensive philosophy is. And if Satterfield is ultimately to blame for that, that's fine.

At this point, "aggressive" to me would look like curl routes to Barney, lots of quick slants to Neyor, big wheel routes to Rahmir. We're deceptively not being aggressive at all.
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I think the biggest problem with these plays is that the perimeter blocking is so far laughable you just stop laughing. How many times did we do a swing pass on Saturday only for the receiver to get hit by the guy our outside receiver is attempting to block. If they could just be passable, nothing great, then we would be getting 4-5 yards on those plays. While the fanbase would still b!^@h about the play calling, like they always do with these types of plays, they would be just as effective as we would want the running game to be.

 
Undone said:
We sign this phenom passing QB and in doing so it causes the coaches to do what I would consider at this point to be a major overhaul of the playbook. We're not running zone read at all anymore, really.
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But we still keep throwing Haarberg in there now and then for some reason...

 
MyBloodIsRed16 said:
I learned the announcers brought up OSU's backup left tackle every chance they got.  Don't recall them saying anything about Nebraska's 3rd string left tackle.  
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On the rewatch I was impressed with 77. Not perfect, but a rFR going up against those two ends isn’t easy. Both 5 stars coming out of high school. He has a bright future. 

 
admo said:
Ohio State came into this game with one loss already.  They still have to play undefeated Penn State, undefeated Indiana, the rivalry game vs Michigan, and a B1G championship game, possibly against Oregon.  

There was no way OSU was going to be allowed to lose to Nebraska in an upset.  That would be 2 losses, and The conference would lose their minds if that happened.

In other words, they needed some help to beat Nebraska.  And remain #4 in the Country and play #3 Penn State next Saturday.  

They cannot afford to lose one more game before the CCG.  Because a 2 loss tOSU would probably make it. 

If OSU has 2 losses going into the CCG and loses, they do not make the playoffs.  With one loss already and a big challenge ahead of them, there was no way they lose to Nebraska, even if the zebras need to help them to do it.
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Quote of the week.. when I heard about stats like Ohio state is now 45-0 against unranked teams and Nebraska is 0-27 against ranked teams these are just a little too coincidental.. the saying comes to mind, ‘nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems’, in other words Ohio state is not that good and Nebraska is not that bad.. you can’t tell me officiating in the BIG isn’t looking more and more fixed to the point that these stats are eye popping..  

 
Akees said:
On the rewatch I was impressed with 77. Not perfect, but a rFR going up against those two ends isn’t easy. Both 5 stars coming out of high school. He has a bright future. 
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I thought the same thing.  Dylan didn't do him any favors on the first possesion when he tried to go outside him and got sacked.  I know in years past if we were playing the 3rd guy it would have been bad news

 
Redux said:
Probably because it's literally attached to him and he realized it last second.  Now tell us about how the bottles didn't actually hit the players.
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Between Day's unsportsmanlike conduct, and the fan's unsportsmanlike conduct, I was hoping we got an extra 30 yards out of that little debacle.

 
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