What do you guys think?

But you fail to realize we sold our football soul to the football devil when we didn't give another coach here a chance. NU fell right in line with how many other top programs are handling their programs. Either win and win all the time or you are out. It doesn't matter what fans said about Osbourne or McBride because we're not at that place any longer. If TO was hired today at NU, he'd never be given 25 years. He'd be fired in 5 years or less.

I'm placing my bet right now that Coker is fired either right before or after a bowl game down in Miami. It doesn't matter that graduation rates among football players are at their highest at Miami. It doesn't matter that he's won a title. It doesn't matter that he put together one of the greatest 3 years stretches in college football. It's all about what have you done for me lately. If we go 8 and 4 this year and don't make the Big 12 title game. Those same boosters, regents, etc. will be calling for the head of BC. Sure, we'll go through the motions and make him fire Cosgrove first. However, we all know where we go from there. I guess I just keep hearing the same words about Osbourne early in his career and look where we ended up. A career like Osbourne's will never happen here again. Those eras and days are long behind us.

 
indianahusker said:
I saw this on another board. I didn't write it, so don't roast me for it

We're already seeing it after the OSU debacle: blaming the players to excuse the coaches. If you're one of those people blaming the defensive issues on the "talent", ask yourself these questions next time you feel like deflecting blame away from the gameplan:

-Were Grixby and Jones "highly recruited"? (Hint: the answer is "yes"; both were either 4 or 5 star depending on the rating service you look at. Bowman was a 5 star. Incidently, 3 out of 4 members of the "untalented" secondary of 2004 were selected on the 1st day of the NFL draft; one in the first round. Currently, all three on on NFL rosters...including 2 starters.)

-It's been three years. If you believe Nebraska doesn't have "talent", whose fault is that? Who recruited these players?

-Why were these players "talented" enough to hold Texas to 22 points and only 2 field goals in the entire second half but not talented enough to hold Kansas and Oklahoma State to less than 500 yards? What, do the players become less and more talented week-to-week?

Finally, if you want to blame the players on defense, you must ask yourself two additional questions:

-Have you ever played defense across from a tackle or tight end and been assigned outside containment? If so, have you ever been given this task while being assigned to line up inside shoulder?

-Have you ever been assigned to cover a receiver and been aligned 8-10 yards off the ball and then been asked to cover that receiver man-to-man?

If you can't answer "yes" to either of those questions, you don't have the experience necessary to determine whether the issues at corner and outside linebacker/defense end are because of scheme or talent.

What do you guys think?
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This is one of the most insightful posts I've seen and not just because I agree with it. It's not the talent. OSU was not more talented than the Huskers. I firmly believe it's the coaching, or lack thereof.

For example, as this poster points out, despite being drilled relentlessly utilizing a 8 to 10 yard soft zone coverage scheme by the corners, (EVEN WHEN THE OPPONENT ONLY NEEDS 5 FOR A FIRST DOWN), the coaches don't make adjustments. It's like the defense is always in prevent defense, and all that does is prevent winning. It sure doesn't prevent big plays or even medium plays.

For another example, despite being run ragged off tackle, with the same play a dozen times, the defensive scheme which has been beaten is left in place. Rush ends still slant inside and the LB doesn't scrape out to cover.

Failure to adapt, failure to motivate, failure to lead. That's coaching.

:bonez

 
SNIP:

Finally, if you want to blame the players on defense, you must ask yourself two additional questions:

-Have you ever played defense across from a tackle or tight end and been assigned outside containment? If so, have you ever been given this task while being assigned to line up inside shoulder?

-Have you ever been assigned to cover a receiver and been aligned 8-10 yards off the ball and then been asked to cover that receiver man-to-man?

If you can't answer "yes" to either of those questions, you don't have the experience necessary to determine whether the issues at corner and outside linebacker/defense end are because of scheme or talent.

---Ah yes. So, according to this logic, only baseball players can become baseball writers and critics. Football players replace all the football analysts, and on down the line. This is a cop out said by athletes when they do not want to defend thier actions and swallowed by those who can't see the forest for the trees.

Worst. Argument. Ever.

While I have never lined up against a reciever in a college football game I do know what getting outplayed looks like. It looks like Grixby. I also know what popping off at the mouth and having everyone offer up the inexpierence excuse looks like. It looks like Andre Jones.

Bottom line, this season is 2/3 over. That is plenty of expierience, and contrary to popular sunshine pumping Jones in NOT getting better. Grix., what can I say, the guy has heart but not much else.

Injuries happen to everyone, and these coaches and players have had 9 games to try and find a plan. It seems to me there isn;t one.

OK. I finall feel better now.

Let's beat Mizzou

 
NUpolo8 said:
SNIP:

Finally, if you want to blame the players on defense, you must ask yourself two additional questions:

-Have you ever played defense across from a tackle or tight end and been assigned outside containment? If so, have you ever been given this task while being assigned to line up inside shoulder?

-Have you ever been assigned to cover a receiver and been aligned 8-10 yards off the ball and then been asked to cover that receiver man-to-man?

If you can't answer "yes" to either of those questions, you don't have the experience necessary to determine whether the issues at corner and outside linebacker/defense end are because of scheme or talent.

---Ah yes. So, according to this logic, only baseball players can become baseball writers and critics. Football players replace all the football analysts, and on down the line. This is a cop out said by athletes when they do not want to defend thier actions and swallowed by those who can't see the forest for the trees.

Worst. Argument. Ever.

OK. I finall feel better now.

Let's beat Mizzou
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Glad you feel better, :) and yes, "let's" beat Mizzou. :bonez

But, the quoted post is not saying you have to have played in order to comment. It's saying that anyone with any experience, at playing, coaching, watching, commenting, etc, can see that the coaching scheme is at fault because no one, no matter how talented, can succeed at outside containment when the coaches line you up on the inside shoulder, and you can't succeed at man to man 5 yard pass defense when the coaches line you up in a ten yard zone.

At least that's how I interpret it.

 
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Fans, without knowing, over simplfy the game. Classic example,corner back play on short routes.

Elmo has said that in possession downs, it's best to play press coverage for obvious reasons (disrupting routes, etc). However it entirely depends on who you are playing against. If you are in a press and the QB sees favorable coverage, you no longer have the guarantee of the short route that you can press. It could be an over the top route. What happens then? If you ask me, the guy running forward will win UNLESS your corners are unreal.

If you ask me, break downs like what happened are a combination of things. It's not always one part of the teams fault, or another part of the teams fault. Fans easily point fingers because they partition the team into "talent" and "coaching". Or rather, "talent" vs. "coaching". Then they'll have you believe that the coaches literally have no idea what they are doing. Like they haven't been coaching the game for longer than some have been alive. Sorry guys, most of these coaches have more football experience than some of us have years. If you listen to some of them talk about it, you'd believe it too. Eric can tell you the same thing. I am sure they have facets of their coaching style that people don't like, but to say they don't know the game is truely assinine.

I think that's the point the guy is trying to get across with saying that if you haven't done it, you don't know what it takes to do it. Sure, people who haven't played can know. But just because you think you know how to play the game doesn't mean you do. Asking why corners play 5 yards off the ball on a 3rd and less than 5 is a good question, but the real answer isn't good enough for some folk because really, they don't understand. Which is fine. They don't.

 
Quite in the court!!! quite in the court!! I am not here to blame but state the facts.

Offense:

As a team we have the talent play anyone. Key word TEAM. Sure we have some weaknesses. every team does but we have some very strong spots on our team too. Our Offense is by far very strong as whole. Qb, Rbs,WRs. Our skilled positions are exceptional. Our O-line is questionable . The key to our Offense is the coaching. The coaches have to know how to balance the play calling. Some games they done well and others stink all to he**. Skip the script plays and play ball. Go with works and ride it!! So if Zach is on fire, let it rip. If Jackson is banging that rock. Roll with it. Many games this year this was the case. I am not blaming the coaches but I will say they need to step it up. Change the offensive lines blocking schemes if their current one is not working. Call quick slant route pass plays where Zach only holds the ball a few counts. Think of the Old Miami Hurricanes. We have the speed and depth to do so. There is no excuse why our offense should not be dominating every game. Period.

Defense:

The same goes!! We have to play better as a team. The key the schemes. We have by far one of the most talented d-line in the country! Use it well!! We have ok LBs and the weakest link is the secondary! Ok. The schemes we've been using in the secondary sucks !!! Change it up. Bring the little cbs and cheat with a safety. We have two back there. Use them wisely! Yeah they are not the best as a TEAM they could be decent. Just change the coverage up just to keep the opponent guessing!! Blitz more!! We have nothing left to lose. Be aggressive. Play to Win.. Blackshirts, show some heart! Until the last play!!!!!!

 
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