What level of "infractions" would you be okay with?

[JJ Husker]

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

You're never going to get "proof" of something like that, hope not anyway, that wouldn't be good. These things aren't advertised.

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

I can't remember any that NU has bought...but there have really only been a few that I have ever heard that have been bought...like the SMU team and that cat that started at Bama and ended up at Memphis but I can't remember his name...Oh...and the entire team in the movie Blue Chips...

Cash changes hands in recruiting quite a bit, especially down south where you have to do it to compete with everybody else. The numbers aren't usually big like Cam Newton's recruitment, but it's enough to get in the ballgame.

Here's an interesting article from a couple years ago

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

Until I see proof, its just a baseless allegation.

I thought we were adults here. Believe what you need to believe to make college sports (Nebraska) palatable for you, it's just entertainment after all. No Nebraska player has ever taken money. (puts head back into sand)

I would be surprised if it hasn't happened in every big time program. I don't think anyone here is naive. But, as you said, we're all adults here. I would assume that should mean that anyone who makes such a claim is responsible for providing the proof to back it up. You can't just state it has happened here as a fact and then not provide proof. That's not how "facts" work.

 

[alwayshusking]

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

You're never going to get "proof" of something like that, hope not anyway, that wouldn't be good. These things aren't advertised.

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

I can't remember any that NU has bought...but there have really only been a few that I have ever heard that have been bought...like the SMU team and that cat that started at Bama and ended up at Memphis but I can't remember his name...Oh...and the entire team in the movie Blue Chips...

Cash changes hands in recruiting quite a bit, especially down south where you have to do it to compete with everybody else. The numbers aren't usually big like Cam Newton's recruitment, but it's enough to get in the ballgame.

Here's an interesting article from a couple years ago

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

Until I see proof, its just a baseless allegation.

I thought we were adults here. Believe what you need to believe to make college sports (Nebraska) palatable for you, it's just entertainment after all. No Nebraska player has ever taken money. (puts head back into sand)

I would be surprised if it hasn't happened in every big time program. I don't think anyone here is naive. But, as you said, we're all adults here. I would assume that should mean that anyone who makes such a claim is responsible for providing the proof to back it up. You can't just state it has happened here as a fact and then not provide proof. That's not how "facts" work.

Fair enough. I won't be providing proof nor names. Couldn't even provide actual evidence if I wanted to

 

[cm husker]

Is speeding cheating, since it's against the law?

Is murder cheating, since it's against the law?

Is paying recruits cheating, since it is against the rules?

What kind of moral relativism game are you trying play here?

Yes, some infractions are worse than others. Murder is worse than speeding, etc. But cheating is still cheating, whether or not you get caught. I guess I don't get any message that claims otherwise.

Yeah, you really aren't getting it.

It's not at all moral relativism, by the way.

Cheating is cheating and it's wrong. Trying to justify it because someone else is doing it (or for any other reason), IS moral relativism.

Even war has rules that most of the international community has agreed upon.

 

[Elf]

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

You're never going to get "proof" of something like that, hope not anyway, that wouldn't be good. These things aren't advertised.

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

I can't remember any that NU has bought...but there have really only been a few that I have ever heard that have been bought...like the SMU team and that cat that started at Bama and ended up at Memphis but I can't remember his name...Oh...and the entire team in the movie Blue Chips...

Cash changes hands in recruiting quite a bit, especially down south where you have to do it to compete with everybody else. The numbers aren't usually big like Cam Newton's recruitment, but it's enough to get in the ballgame.

Here's an interesting article from a couple years ago

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

Until I see proof, its just a baseless allegation.

I thought we were adults here. Believe what you need to believe to make college sports (Nebraska) palatable for you, it's just entertainment after all. No Nebraska player has ever taken money. (puts head back into sand)

I would be surprised if it hasn't happened in every big time program. I don't think anyone here is naive. But, as you said, we're all adults here. I would assume that should mean that anyone who makes such a claim is responsible for providing the proof to back it up. You can't just state it has happened here as a fact and then not provide proof. That's not how "facts" work.

Fair enough. I won't be providing proof nor names. Couldn't even provide actual evidence if I wanted to

I +1'd JJ because I couldn't have said it better.

If Nebraska was ever proven to to have been a consistent cheater in the past, I'd probably stop watching. I'd find something else to do with my time.

So...I guess that means we are back to baseless allegations....

 

[alwayshusking]

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

You're never going to get "proof" of something like that, hope not anyway, that wouldn't be good. These things aren't advertised.

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

I can't remember any that NU has bought...but there have really only been a few that I have ever heard that have been bought...like the SMU team and that cat that started at Bama and ended up at Memphis but I can't remember his name...Oh...and the entire team in the movie Blue Chips...

Cash changes hands in recruiting quite a bit, especially down south where you have to do it to compete with everybody else. The numbers aren't usually big like Cam Newton's recruitment, but it's enough to get in the ballgame.

Here's an interesting article from a couple years ago

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

Until I see proof, its just a baseless allegation.

I thought we were adults here. Believe what you need to believe to make college sports (Nebraska) palatable for you, it's just entertainment after all. No Nebraska player has ever taken money. (puts head back into sand)

I would be surprised if it hasn't happened in every big time program. I don't think anyone here is naive. But, as you said, we're all adults here. I would assume that should mean that anyone who makes such a claim is responsible for providing the proof to back it up. You can't just state it has happened here as a fact and then not provide proof. That's not how "facts" work.

Fair enough. I won't be providing proof nor names. Couldn't even provide actual evidence if I wanted to

I +1'd JJ because I couldn't have said it better.

If Nebraska was ever proven to to have been a consistent cheater in the past, I'd probably stop watching. I'd find something else to do with my time.

So...I guess that means we are back to baseless allegations....

Interesting. That's what I was wondering about, if you (or anyone that says they are completely against cheating) would actually stop watching knowing that it happens.

I generally think that people would rather just pretend it doesn't happen at their school. Which is fine if they do, no judgement.

FWIW, I don't think Nebraska has been involved in breaking the rules as much as most other schools that have become football powerhouses.

 

[Huskers19911]

I don't agree with any of the OP's list of what is acceptable of cheating. I do know that many colleges do these things, but I disagree with them.

On the textbook issue that happened a few years ago, couldn't there be a way to counter this somehow, to prevent selling the books back right away? In my opinion, it shouldn't be against the rules to get free textbooks (but this is easily abused), but there should be someway to counter it. Example, what if student athletes received locked-down nooks or kindle fires (surely, this is possible), and their textbooks were accessed as an ebook? No selling the books back, they have to take care of their device and pay for damages (which, is less than their textbook fees would be). Not sure if these devices all have finger print scanners, but if they do, that would be helpful in preventing them from sharing their textbooks with other students on their devices.

I think the NCAA should look into the textbook issue and try to find ways to solve that problem. Academics are the priority when compared to sports.

 

[Bowfin]

As a fan, what level of cheating would you be okay with when it comes to "your team"

I always hear the end all and be all of sports was that it instilled character, values, and discipline...and here we have a portion of a large and loyal fan base discussing how much cheating, bribing, and swindling should be tolerated to build character, values and discipline...and win, of course!

Props to all who have said, "none, nada, zero, absolutely, not, no way!" The rest of you...whatever...the following is for you:

"We have met the enemy, and they is us!"--Pogo Comic Strip

 

[Elf]

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

You're never going to get "proof" of something like that, hope not anyway, that wouldn't be good. These things aren't advertised.

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

I can't remember any that NU has bought...but there have really only been a few that I have ever heard that have been bought...like the SMU team and that cat that started at Bama and ended up at Memphis but I can't remember his name...Oh...and the entire team in the movie Blue Chips...

Cash changes hands in recruiting quite a bit, especially down south where you have to do it to compete with everybody else. The numbers aren't usually big like Cam Newton's recruitment, but it's enough to get in the ballgame.

Here's an interesting article from a couple years ago

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview

Until I see proof, its just a baseless allegation.

I thought we were adults here. Believe what you need to believe to make college sports (Nebraska) palatable for you, it's just entertainment after all. No Nebraska player has ever taken money. (puts head back into sand)

I would be surprised if it hasn't happened in every big time program. I don't think anyone here is naive. But, as you said, we're all adults here. I would assume that should mean that anyone who makes such a claim is responsible for providing the proof to back it up. You can't just state it has happened here as a fact and then not provide proof. That's not how "facts" work.

Fair enough. I won't be providing proof nor names. Couldn't even provide actual evidence if I wanted to

I +1'd JJ because I couldn't have said it better.

If Nebraska was ever proven to to have been a consistent cheater in the past, I'd probably stop watching. I'd find something else to do with my time.

So...I guess that means we are back to baseless allegations....

Interesting. That's what I was wondering about, if you (or anyone that says they are completely against cheating) would actually stop watching knowing that it happens.

I generally think that people would rather just pretend it doesn't happen at their school. Which is fine if they do, no judgement.

FWIW, I don't think Nebraska has been involved in breaking the rules as much as most other schools that have become football powerhouses.

If it came out that Tom Osborne was a fraud and had cheated as bad or worse than Barry Switzer I'd quit watching and throw away all my Husker gear. One of the things that made Osborne's era special to me is that we didn't cheat to get to where we wanted to be.

To be clear, I'm not talking about minor incidents like the complimentary ticket deal back in the mid 80's that threatened to suspend nearly half the team, or Eric Crouch's sandwich, or giving players more textbooks or even the drug/steroid use that happened in the early-mid 80s. These are examples of individuals cheating and complete stupidity on the part of the NCAA. (Extra textbooks comes to mind...). I'm not ok with this type of cheating by individuals either.

I'm talking about institutionalized cheating. The kind of crap the Sooners pulled that nearly got them the death sentence. If this type of cheating happened at NU, I probably would stop watching.

 

[olddominionhusker]

Yeah I think that's really the line for me as well Elf. No program is completely clean. We would be naive to think that Nebraska has never had overzealous boosters or unscrupulous players who broke the rules. That stuff is impossible to stamp out completely. It's when it occurs with the knowledge and is facilitated by official members of the athletic department that it crosses a line with me.

 

[Landlord]

Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory.

 

[Enhance]

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

Just to be clear, do you believe Nebraska has never committed an NCAA violation in regards to recruiting, or do you believe they've just never once tried to pay for a recruit in a way that would violate NCAA rules? Or both?

Or is it something you think people shouldn't talk about unless there's actual proof to back it up?

I'm not trying to put you on the defensive - just trying to understand what you're saying.

 

[Elf]

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

Just to be clear, do you believe Nebraska has never committed an NCAA violation in regards to recruiting, or do you believe they've just never once tried to pay for a recruit in a way that would violate NCAA rules? Or both?

Or is it something you think people shouldn't talk about unless there's actual proof to back it up?

I'm not trying to put you on the defensive - just trying to understand what you're saying.

I believe it would be unreasonable to think NU has never committed a recruiting violation, there are so many rules how can you not break one from time to time due to any number of factors.

I believe Osborne and Solich both had enough integrity to not pay players to come to NU. Callahan, probably. Pelini, I don't think he would have either, not smart enough to do it without getting caught, or blabbing it out in a burst of anger. Riley, I think he belongs in the same category as Tom and Frank. That said, I would be very disappointed to find out we had paid players to come to Lincoln. That would be an example of the kind of institutionalized cheating I just couldn't abide. I can understand mistakes, we all make them including me but paying players could never be construed as a simple mistake.

You shouldn't state it as fact without being willing and able to back it up with proof. If you want to speculate, fine, just don't call it fact when you are unwilling/unable to provide proof that it is indeed a fact.

I hope this clears things up a bit.

 

[huskerfan2000]

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

Just to be clear, do you believe Nebraska has never committed an NCAA violation in regards to recruiting, or do you believe they've just never once tried to pay for a recruit in a way that would violate NCAA rules? Or both?

Or is it something you think people shouldn't talk about unless there's actual proof to back it up?

I'm not trying to put you on the defensive - just trying to understand what you're saying.

I believe it would be unreasonable to think NU has never committed a recruiting violation, there are so many rules how can you not break one from time to time due to any number of factors.

I believe Osborne and Solich both had enough integrity to not pay players to come to NU. Callahan, probably. Pelini, I don't think he would have either, not smart enough to do it without getting caught, or blabbing it out in a burst of anger. Riley, I think he belongs in the same category as Tom and Frank. That said, I would be very disappointed to find out we had paid players to come to Lincoln. That would be an example of the kind of institutionalized cheating I just couldn't abide. I can understand mistakes, we all make them including me but paying players could never be construed as a simple mistake.

You shouldn't state it as fact without being willing and able to back it up with proof. If you want to speculate, fine, just don't call it fact when you are unwilling/unable to provide proof that it is indeed a fact.

I hope this clears things up a bit.

Couldn't agree more!

 

[Stumpy1]

It usually isn't the coach or any university official that hands the money over. It is done through boosters, businesses and other back channel ways.

I would like to think that it hasn't happened here but I am sure it probably has to some extent.

 

[Enhance]

Are people naive enough to think some of our players don't get taken care of by boosters once they get to campus? It happens here, it happens everywhere. No competitive advantage is gained doing that though.

NU hasn't been in the business of buying recruits recently, but that would certainly help us win. NU's done it in the past. Plenty of schools at the top do it now.

I would like to see proof of that.

Just to be clear, do you believe Nebraska has never committed an NCAA violation in regards to recruiting, or do you believe they've just never once tried to pay for a recruit in a way that would violate NCAA rules? Or both?

Or is it something you think people shouldn't talk about unless there's actual proof to back it up?

I'm not trying to put you on the defensive - just trying to understand what you're saying.

I believe it would be unreasonable to think NU has never committed a recruiting violation, there are so many rules how can you not break one from time to time due to any number of factors.

I believe Osborne and Solich both had enough integrity to not pay players to come to NU. Callahan, probably. Pelini, I don't think he would have either, not smart enough to do it without getting caught, or blabbing it out in a burst of anger. Riley, I think he belongs in the same category as Tom and Frank. That said, I would be very disappointed to find out we had paid players to come to Lincoln. That would be an example of the kind of institutionalized cheating I just couldn't abide. I can understand mistakes, we all make them including me but paying players could never be construed as a simple mistake.

You shouldn't state it as fact without being willing and able to back it up with proof. If you want to speculate, fine, just don't call it fact when you are unwilling/unable to provide proof that it is indeed a fact.

I hope this clears things up a bit.