where are the critics now

[NamelessHusker]

Oh no! This is the WCO offense that can score in under a minute given the right play call. This is the "New Nebraska."

The old nebraska could score in under a minute given the right play call. Hell anyone can score under a minute given the right play call.

NU fan in Denver said: Hell anyone can score under a minute given the right play call.

Anyone? So you saying 1-10 Rice, 1-10 Duke, 1-10 Buffalo, 0-11 Temple, and 0-12 New Mexico St could score on USC in under a minute? Pass the bong around, i think i need a hit.

What exactly constitues the "right play call". Looking into a magic crystal ball which will tell you what your opponent is going to do on that particular play that will be called?

Formerfan said:I can answer that easily. NU should beat teams like that by 30-40 points. Anything less is unacceptable.

Were you saying TO's performance was unacceptable when his team beat central Florida 38-24 AT HOME in 1997 when central Florida had only been a DIV-A team for 1 year? Central Florida went into halftime leading 17-14 but NU came back and won. You know, the same team that won a national title that year :blink:

Were you calling for TO's head after that game? Campigning to out him from Lincoln? I am sure like many other people, you said "we won, lets move on, regardless how bad we played"

 

[husker rob]

just for informational purposes,

David Humm was drafted and played QB for the raiders for one, not sure who else but i remember him playing for them.

jamal lord was a back up to crouch, remember when NU played ND and one of our fans had a sign that said "Hey Notre Dame, the Lord is a Husker and he is second string"?

i believe any system will work if you have the right coaches and right players in place to run them. the spead offense was not working to T.O. liking so he switched to the option. Callihan would never be able to coach the option especially with Norvell as OC, so he will never try.

i will say this again, the passing game is a lot better this year with the right player in place to throw the ball. taylor is much better then dailey was. yes the running game is worse but look at the players that returned this year that started last year (2) mann and koch. so this years line was very inexperienced. next year should be better with murtha, austin, mann, patrick, slausen and possibly thomas all coming back. add in the pasture boys and the new recruits gaining some experience i cant believe that they wont be alot better

GBR

 

[NU fan in Denver]

Oh no! This is the WCO offense that can score in under a minute given the right play call. This is the "New Nebraska."

The old nebraska could score in under a minute given the right play call. Hell anyone can score under a minute given the right play call.

NU fan in Denver said: Hell anyone can score under a minute given the right play call.

Anyone? So you saying 1-10 Rice, 1-10 Duke, 1-10 Buffalo, 0-11 Temple, and 0-12 New Mexico St could score on USC in under a minute? Pass the bong around, i think i need a hit.

What exactly constitues the "right play call". Looking into a magic crystal ball which will tell you what your opponent is going to do on that particular play that will be called?

Formerfan said:I can answer that easily. NU should beat teams like that by 30-40 points. Anything less is unacceptable.

Were you saying TO's performance was unacceptable when his team beat central Florida 38-24 AT HOME in 1997 when central Florida had only been a DIV-A team for 1 year? Central Florida went into halftime leading 17-14 but NU came back and won. You know, the same team that won a national title that year :blink:

Were you calling for TO's head after that game? Campigning to out him from Lincoln? I am sure like many other people, you said "we won, lets move on, regardless how bad we played"

That is exactly what I was eluding to. If you would read the previous posts you might understand that. I will just wait for some more "insider information" about the CU logo.

 

[Utah_Husker]

The option isn't dead. The problem is(as another poster had eluded to) that kids don't want to play it. They want to go some place that will get them to the pros. If NU would have Vince Young and Adrian Peterson running the option with a solid athletic line, I would pretty safely say that the offense would still work. It takes good blocking, solid running backs and a quarterback with good decision-making skills. If Lord was the best NU could do for 2 years, than that tells you one of two things; either he wasn't properly coached(which I doubt because his predecessors excelled) or he just wasn't all that good and would have been a back up behind a guy like gill, taylor, frazier, gadowski, frost and crouch. I think the problem is that Jammal Lord was the best that we had and he had to play, not that the offense he was trying to run didn't work anymore. As long as kids shy away from that offense to play for the glitz and glam of a pro-style/WCO offense, then it will be hard to run the triple option offense.

I totally agree. And thanks for the very objective analysis. I don't have my panties in a bunch because the option's gone, and my perspective isn't so limited that I think Nebraska isn't Nebraska if they don't run it. It just hits a sore spot when people say it won't work any more. Very naive in my opinion.

 

[formerfan]

Anyone? So you saying 1-10 Rice, 1-10 Duke, 1-10 Buffalo, 0-11 Temple, and 0-12 New Mexico St could score on USC in under a minute? 

Yes, they could. Is it conceivable, yes. Is it possible, yes. Is it probable, no.

Pass the bong around, i think i need a hit.

Actually, you'd probably do best to back away from the bong :dumdum

What exactly constitues the "right play call". Looking into a magic crystal ball which will tell you what your opponent is going to do on that particular play that will be called?

So now even the simple concept playcalling has you stymied???? :dumdum

Were you saying TO's performance was unacceptable when his team beat central Florida 38-24 AT HOME in 1997 when central Florida had only been a DIV-A team for 1 year?  Central Florida went into halftime leading 17-14 but NU came back and won. You know, the same team that won a national title that year  :blink:

Yes, that was unacceptable. Sure CFU was an "upstart" program, but they shouldnt have made the game that close. Beside, if you remember (which I highly doubt) NU actually got better that year, and improved :blink:

Were you calling for TO's head after that game? Campigning to out him from Lincoln? I am sure like many other people, you said "we won, lets move on, regardless how bad we played"

Big difference, TO had one game every so often, maybe one game every 2-3 years like that, not 5 or six per year. Get it??? :wacko:

 

[formerfan]

The option isn't dead.  The problem is(as another poster had eluded to) that kids don't want to play it.  They want to go some place that will get them to the pros.  If NU would have Vince Young and Adrian Peterson running the option with a solid athletic line, I would pretty safely say that the offense would still work.  It takes good blocking, solid running backs and a quarterback with good decision-making skills.  If Lord was the best NU could do for 2 years, than that tells you one of two things; either he wasn't properly coached(which I doubt because his predecessors excelled) or he just wasn't all that good and would have been a back up behind a guy like gill, taylor, frazier, gadowski, frost and crouch.  I think the problem is that Jammal Lord was the best that we had and he had to play, not that the offense he was trying to run didn't work anymore.  As long as kids shy away from that offense to play for the glitz and glam of a pro-style/WCO offense, then it will be hard to run the triple option offense.

I totally agree. And thanks for the very objective analysis. I don't have my panties in a bunch because the option's gone, and my perspective isn't so limited that I think Nebraska isn't Nebraska if they don't run it. It just hits a sore spot when people say it won't work any more. Very naive in my opinion.

:yeah

Agree with both of you :thumbs

 

[NamelessHusker]

Yes, they could. Is it conceivable, yes. Is it possible, yes. Is it probable, no.

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Are you dillusional or something? If you think TEMPLE could POSSIBLY score an offensive touchdown (keep up, not a field goal, but an actual TOUCHDOWN) on USC or any other team ranked in the .....HeLL..i will even extend it to TOP 25 for that matter, then your just plain ignorant. Temple could play USC 200 times and you know what the score of each game would be? Temple without an offensive touchdown UNLESS (keyword here, keep up) someone from USC happened to fumble the ball at the 1 yard line. Get your head out of your a$$ and deal with reality.

BCS conference teams Temple has played:

Temple vs Wisconsin: 0-65 (Not ranked)

Temple vs #5 Miami: 3-34 (Ranked)

Temple vs Virginia: 3-51 (Not ranked)

Temple vs Arizona St: 16-63 (Not ranked)

Temple vs Clemson: 7-37 (Not ranked)

Temple vs Maryland: 7-38 (Not Ranked)

I know your tactic and i know what you are going to respond with "oh but they scored 16 on Arizona St when ASU was ranked 16th at the begining of the year. Sorry but you are not going to get that card to use. Just like Purdue, Iowa, Michigan, Florida St were overrated this year, so was Arizona St. There's a reason they are 6-5. I await your "excuse" Formerfan as you always do.

Yes, that was unacceptable. Sure CFU was an "upstart" program, but they shouldnt have made the game that close. Beside, if you remember (which I highly doubt) NU actually got better that year, and improved

Hahah..wait, im not done. Hahhahaha. Comparing an offense that has been in place for 1,000 years at Nebraska is the same as comparing it to a offense that's still being installed without all the key players like Offensive tackle, Offensive guard, Tight end yet. Or the fact last years starter at QB is no longer with the team, nor is the majority of the offensive line players. Your responses make me laugh so hard i actually pee my pants laughing (raises his beer to you). Thanks man, without you this board would be boring. You are like the kid who keeps coming back for more and more punishment day after day after day. The only thing you can cling to is small mute issues like the location of a logo on the field and your constant love with the :dumdum smiley. You use that smiley more then Hootin uses the dedhoarse smiley.

I keep telling myself to ignore your responses, but sometimes you come up with the dumbest things to say.

Oh hey, Nebraska won last weekend. Why don't you call Callahan and SP a-holes again <_<

 

[Pedro Guerrero]

Again OU's defense that year was one of the better ones in the past 10-15 years.

And you can't compare our performance against perhaps the fastest defense ever as the sole reason why the option is dead. I don't think there's been a defense as talented or fast as Miami '01 since, and there probably won't be for a while.

I wasn't saying the option attack is dead. I was saying that is the game people refer to when they say there needed to be a change made. I do think the plays Frankie was calling were very predictable and tired. That was not the option attack everyone around here loves. It seems against average teams we could do no wrong and against good teams we struggled. Even in 03 with the so-called "Barney ball" we stunk against good teams. The option could work but Got Frank's wasn't. If you watch ISU at all Cotton doesn't run it that much either with an ideal QB for it.(I guess though if I had Todd Bythle I would throw it every down as well.) Maybe it was Jammal Lord but I also believe Dailey would not have been any better at it. If there is no fear of passing teams will just kill your running game.

 

[Utah_Husker]

Again OU's defense that year was one of the better ones in the past 10-15 years.

And you can't compare our performance against perhaps the fastest defense ever as the sole reason why the option is dead. I don't think there's been a defense as talented or fast as Miami '01 since, and there probably won't be for a while.

I wasn't saying the option attack is dead. I was saying that is the game people refer to when they say there needed to be a change made. I do think the plays Frankie was calling were very predictable and tired. That was not the option attack everyone around here loves. It seems against average teams we could do no wrong and against good teams we struggled. Even in 03 with the so-called "Barney ball" we stunk against good teams. The option could work but Got Frank's wasn't. If you watch ISU at all Cotton doesn't run it that much either with an ideal QB for it.(I guess though if I had Todd Bythle I would throw it every down as well.) Maybe it was Jammal Lord but I also believe Dailey would not have been any better at it. If there is no fear of passing teams will just kill your running game.

I can see what you're saying and partially agree with it. I was as frustrated as anyone with Frank's playcalling the last couple of years. I don't think that '03 was Barney Ball though. Again, I think they were very limited as to what they could do with Lord. The playcalling became much more limited between '01 and '02.

 

[formerfan]

Yes, they could. Is it conceivable, yes. Is it possible, yes. Is it probable, no.

If you think TEMPLE could POSSIBLY score an offensive touchdown on USC or any other team ranked in the .....HeLL..i will even extend it to TOP 25 for that matter,

I have read your posts :dumdum and I know that simple mathematical formulas are very, very difficult for you to understand, but it is possible for them to score a TD on USC or another top 25 team. Pick up the legos, keep up with me here, its even possible for them to score on the Steelers (a very, very, very slight miniscule possibility, ie highly improbable). Get it :blink:

BTW, USCs defense isnt great by any means, gave up 40 to Fresno and 30 to ND, is 46th in total D, and 29th in scoring D. Strike 3, yeeeerrrr out!!!

i actually pee my pants

Fear does that to people sometimes

The only thing you can cling to is small mute issues like the location of a logo on the field

No, its called breaking another one of your many inaccurate statements. You seem to throw a bunch of crap out there for some to eat up, in the hopes that it makes you look and feel important. You dont care if its true or not, you get your "name" on a website....ohhhh.

Is this what (allegedly) led to the shut down of couple of other websites that you were affiliated with???

and your constant love with the  :dumdum   smiley

Yep, its PERFECT for you, absolutely perfect :thumbs

 

[Huskrz65]

Use this material for a script, shoot a movie, and make all of the affiliates of Husker Nation...(namely all of us) rich!

This $hit is too funny sometimes. :lol:

 

[Utah_Husker]

:band

Wow, there's some new smilies on here.

 

[indianahusker]

The option isn't dead.  The problem is(as another poster had eluded to) that kids don't want to play it.  They want to go some place that will get them to the pros.  If NU would have Vince Young and Adrian Peterson running the option with a solid athletic line, I would pretty safely say that the offense would still work.  It takes good blocking, solid running backs and a quarterback with good decision-making skills.  If Lord was the best NU could do for 2 years, than that tells you one of two things; either he wasn't properly coached(which I doubt because his predecessors excelled) or he just wasn't all that good and would have been a back up behind a guy like gill, taylor, frazier, gadowski, frost and crouch.  I think the problem is that Jammal Lord was the best that we had and he had to play, not that the offense he was trying to run didn't work anymore.  As long as kids shy away from that offense to play for the glitz and glam of a pro-style/WCO offense, then it will be hard to run the triple option offense.

I totally agree. And thanks for the very objective analysis. I don't have my panties in a bunch because the option's gone, and my perspective isn't so limited that I think Nebraska isn't Nebraska if they don't run it. It just hits a sore spot when people say it won't work any more. Very naive in my opinion.

:yeah

Both Posts!

 

[OldSchoolHusker]

The option isn't dead.  The problem is(as another poster had eluded to) that kids don't want to play it.  They want to go some place that will get them to the pros.  If NU would have Vince Young and Adrian Peterson running the option with a solid athletic line, I would pretty safely say that the offense would still work.  It takes good blocking, solid running backs and a quarterback with good decision-making skills.  If Lord was the best NU could do for 2 years, than that tells you one of two things; either he wasn't properly coached(which I doubt because his predecessors excelled) or he just wasn't all that good and would have been a back up behind a guy like gill, taylor, frazier, gadowski, frost and crouch.  I think the problem is that Jammal Lord was the best that we had and he had to play, not that the offense he was trying to run didn't work anymore.  As long as kids shy away from that offense to play for the glitz and glam of a pro-style/WCO offense, then it will be hard to run the triple option offense.

I totally agree. And thanks for the very objective analysis. I don't have my panties in a bunch because the option's gone, and my perspective isn't so limited that I think Nebraska isn't Nebraska if they don't run it. It just hits a sore spot when people say it won't work any more. Very naive in my opinion.

:yeah

Agree with both of you :thumbs

yeah, and if i had all my hair, looked like antonio banderas, and was rich and famous, salma hayek might want to date me ....

we DON'T have AP or VY because no one wants to play in the option .... done deal

option dead ...

Nameless ... your points are taken ... this clown's a flamer anyway ...

fact is, if anyone wants to check the past , TO struggled many times against lesser opponents in the Big 8 and elsewhere (WSU, Wisky) in the 70s ... the "domination" didn't start in full force till the 80s ....

spin FF ... spin it hard ... some facts are harder than others to ignore, so spin it baby ...

 

[Utah_Husker]

we DON'T have AP or VY because no one wants to play in the option .... done deal
option dead ...

Nameless ... your points are taken ...

If you're saying the option's dead because all of the best talent doesn't want to run it, then fine. I'm not arguing with that. In fact I agreed with people who have said that. Nameless has said on more than one occasion that the option won't work because defenses are too fast. That is what I disagree with.